clr race rules?

[kickingbug1]

   i need some input here (mainly from mattman). im figuring that to have an even race that we should start the 16s about 30 minutes before the larger faster boats. this may help the fleet to arrive at coles creek near the same time. it would also provide better photo ops when the boats come together. what are your thoughts (official race starter guy mike)?

[Salty19]

But then the bigger boats won't have the pleasure of wallowing in an enormous victory over our little sisters!  That's no fun! 

Kidding.  I was thinking let the 16's motor to catch up, but only as far as the boat ahead of them, and you must be inline or downwind of the boat in front of you if you use the motor. No leapfrogging or placing yourself in a more advantageous position than the guy in front of you. Perhaps must not exceed 5 boat lengths behind boat in front of you with motor.    So all will have to outsail to pass yet we won't be miles apart.

Motoring not allowed for anything larger than 16 ft, well, unless the wind totally dies and the race called off.

Truthfully I am trying to avoid feeding mosquitos and tempering the crew's anxious spirits for the very long half an hour wait at the starting line.  If someone else wants to start the smaller boats off at 9:30 or 9:45 and I'll start the others at 10:00  or 10:15, that will work.

[brackish]

Most races that want to have all the boats of different speeds finish at the same time use PHRF to adjust the start time.  You have to know the length of the course in order to do that.  You adjust the start time based on so many seconds per mile that is equal to the difference in the PHRF for each boat.  The math is pretty easy.  And in the CLR race case, the course can't be a one leg to weather because the actual miles traveled will be longer than the rhumb line. It needs to be a reach or a run.

I used to participate in a fun race that was about ten miles long from Gulfport to Biloxi, MS.  There were usually about 60 boats doing the race.  You were given your specific start time and the committee boat was just there to make sure you didn't cross early.  The great thing about that kind of racing is there is a lot of traffic and overtaking in the last mile or so and that is when the water cannons were deployed.

Hey, it's the CLR, you can use the honor system for the start.  Those big boat sailors can sit in the marina and have another cup of coffee waiting for their assigned time.

Wish I could be there.

[mattman]

Brackish has the way. Just completed a race like this yesterday, we could get the coordinates of the course off of gmaps or active captain, plug into gps then get the distance and assign starting times. Do you really think all the 16's would conspire to start early? I don't think we have to monitor that closely:)  btw it would be about 4-5 miles to coles creek  which is the finish line right? that would only mean about an 10 minute headstart from the 23's, unless it is a windward leg... I think the phrf's are all based on how fast you are to a snipe?? I have to ask my skipper about that. Anyway......

[kickingbug1]

     i dont think that anyone is all that serious about the race (which starts in front of the dam and ends at the entrance to coles creek. the whole is to have the boats sailing together for a period of time to insure good photo opportunities and that we get to the coles creek raft up point near the same time. i really dont mind waiting the 25 minutes or so to let the 16s start early and the bugs wont be an issue in front of the dam. it gives the bigger boats a chance to "catch" the smaller ones. unless matt wants to do the math that is. i think we have 4 16s, one suncat, one eclipse, 4 19s. greenes oday and our catalina.  and heaven forbid texas dougs sunbird

[MacGyver]

Whatever we do, lets be sure to keep it fun. The main goal being pictures and such since that day is the day that most are present. We do call it a race, and sure we all kid about it all afterward, but I suppose it is truly a organized sail off event.

Atleast that is what I hope all of you think while I carefully and meticulously build my new sails and study heartily the pinching methods and sail trim techniques as I sit in the dark lit only by a book light while my wife sleeps silently next to me........

Back to work for me on this mainsail!!! The race is so soon!!!! Not much time left to perfect the techniques!!!!!

Mac

[crazycarl]

ooooorrrrrr.....

we could all leave at the same time.

the greenes will no doubt be the 1st to enter coles creek so they will carry all the libations and have them ready to hand out as each boat arrives.

salty will be a close 2nd and will be there to take photo finishes.

kickinbug with his catalina will arrive 3rd and can start setting up lunch.

as for the rest of us, well that's where it gets interesting.

john will be somewhere other than coles creek thinking "man i left them all in my wake"!

mcgyver will start out fast, but will detour to help another sailor with a technical problem.

crazycarl will have to return to the marina to replace a deck chair he snagged off a dock with his bowsprit.

and the others will still be at the dam wondering when the 2nd horn will sound.

now that's a CLR race!

[wroundey]

I was just bemoaning that I could not come to CLR this year due to multiple family obligations - and then I realized that CLR is the week AFTER my family's big events. I think I can make it for Saturday - just need to do a final check with everyone here.

[kickingbug1]

   will, you better make it if for no other reason than we can marvel at your new bowsprit. and you and kay ( i hope thats right) better make it for the dinner saturday night.

[kickingbug1]

 oh by the way, i did purchase a "nice" first place trophy befitting the event. now this will be a traveling trophy where this years winner takes it home and has his name engraved on it and then brings it back next year. like the stanley cup or the americas cup. it is way cool. a tasteful? addition to the decor of any sailors den

[kickingbug1]

   well i guess i should waste no time in planning clr 2115. next years event will be a monday through friday affair. this ensures that the lake will be all ours (and maybe we can get in a night sail). as everyone knows the saturday awards dinner will be a Jimmy Buffet theme (women just have to have "theme" parties). and thanks to my "trophy guy", you know who you are, we have some god awful trophies for 2115. im sure everyone has a closet, laundry room or out of the way basement bathroom that needs some added "class". yes and 2115 will be the first year for the "traveling trophy" for 1st place in the big clr cup race. It will be the winners responsiblity to have the trophy engraved with the year and either his name or the boats name. there is ample room for many (hopefully) years. this year sarah and i strayed away from com-pac, selling our 16 and buying a catalina capri 18. this opens up the rendezvous to trailerable boats other than com-pacs. i hope this wont keep future com-pac sailors away. clr does stand for carlyle lake rendezvous after all. anyway again thanks so much for those who attended and we hope to see you back next year. i have to go out in the garage and put some gear in the boat for tomorrow we sail.   fairwinds   steve and sarah  (com-pacers at heart and god willin eclipse owners in the future)

[Greene]

We'll Kick, if our great-great-great grandkids are sailors they will certainly attend.  I'm pretty sure B and I won't be sailing when we are 157 years old.

Mike and Grandma B

[Bob23]

   This is good. I've already figured out a way to use my cane as a spare tiller.  And in anticipation for the CLR 2115, I'm bringing all my past AARP mags to read. Might also need my tricycle to ride to the campsite; don't know if I'll be able to balance on a two wheeler when I'm 162!
Bob23

[crazycarl]

2115 you say?

awesome, maybe by then they'll produce an outboard that runs on water and i'll have no problems!

i'll be 155 and maybe, just maybe, retired. 

i should have all my joints replaced by then,

cc

[kickingbug1]

   ah, the infamous typo. well, i knew i could count on my sailing friends to point out one of the many errors of my ways. yes i did mean 2015. funny how age creeps up on a guy. thanks fellas. oh by the way, i am willing to pick up anyone who flies into st louis.