clr race rules?

[mattman]

kick, that would be fine. I was thinking of putting in tomorrow if there is wind, did the water come up more???

[kickingbug1]

matt, was that you i saw today?

[kickingbug1]

   it came up a lot more but they were letting out a lot at the dam. im sure they dont want to flood anymore farmland downstream than they have to.

[kickingbug1]

   sorry i got off topic with the "flood reports".  to clarify the "big race" rules.  we decided that racers could use their motors to keep in groups prior to the start and also to keep their boats into the wind when bending on sails. everyone please remember that this "race" is just for fun so lets try not to hit one another especially the catalina anchored near the windward mark. see everyone in a month.

[kickingbug1]

   matt, what's the phrf for an eclipse----im thinking about 288.

[mattman]

Would think it would be faster than the 19, but with no other info I would rate her at a 19. Man this is really subjective with no data and just eyeballing specs. However during the week we should put them side by side with known phrfs, that would give us a feel. btw this is why I hate to phrf race (for the most part) too many variables and someone always feels shorted on their number!

[kickingbug1]

  all we can do is get close.

[kickingbug1]

   the clr race course has now been established. the start line will be at the shallow water markers just west of the damn spillway (with the high water draft is not a problem). Sailors will race Northeast to the first mark, turn right and head Southeast to the 2nd mark, make a right turn around it and head Southwest to the finish line (our raft up spot for the week). Every boat will be provided with a map of the course.  In order to have all boats finish the race pretty close together we will be using PHRF ratings to assign start times. I called Jerry Hutchins and he was unable to give me any PHRF numbers however i did find a few " CP16--326, Suncat--320, CP 19--279, CP23--249. I figure a Picnic Cat would be slightly faster than a Suncat given it is not a displacement hull. the Horizon Cat with its 20' length and larger sail should be a bit faster than a Suncat. Given this information the start will go as follows: the CP16 will be the slowest boat and will start first. all other start times are based on that of the CP 16. the Suncats will start next ,30 seconds after the 16s. Next is the Picnic Cat at 40 seconds after the 16. Then the Horizon Cat at 45 seconds after the 16. Next would be the CP 19s at 3 minutes and 40 seconds after the 16s and last would be the 23 at 6 minutes behind the 16s.  Since we have no idea how this will play out, i think we should have a practice race on tuesday. On both days Sarah and I will set the markers and anchor nearby to take pictures and render assistance if needed. If it appears some of the start times are out of line we can make adjustments before the race on thursday. This will not be a crowded course so i do not foresee any mishaps but i would caution everyone to be aware of each other's boats. Again, the "race" is just for laughs. p.s.   beware of water canon fire

[kickingbug1]

first---suncats, 2nd horizon cat (plus 30 sec), 3rd-19s, eclipse and richs catalina 22 (3 minutes after the suncats), last cp23 (3 minutes after the 19s).  practice race on tuesday to see if this works out. big race on thursday.

[Salty19]

Think you're missing a couple of boats..16's and picnic cats.

I would think Horizon cats would be real close to 19's considering sail area, weight and waterline. HC's have a little more sail area sq/ft and longer waterline length but more weight. Certainly much quicker than 15 seconds/mile after a Suncat.

Maybe a starting grid like this would be useful for practice:

Picnic Cat
CP16
Suncat
Eclipse
Horizon Cat
CP19
C22
CP23

With Eclipse/Horizon Cat/CP19 with the same start time. Just thinking out loud...

[kickingbug1]

   the only number i could find that is close to the horizon cat is 320 for a herrshoff cat. the picnic cat is way faster than the cp16 which is 360. the picnic cat is not a displacement hull. i have sailed next to one in my catalina and they are pretty fast. i have 249 for the 23 and 279 for the 19. with 282 for a catalina 22 wing keel (what rich will be sailing).  i have raced against luke and im a bit faster in my catalina 18 which is 288. this is why i wanted to have a practice race on tuesday and see how things shake out. if the fleet is too spread out at the finish we can tweak the start times accordingly.

[kickingbug1]

    i called com-pac and talked to gerry. surprisingly he didnt know any phrf numbers. you would think he would have been able to help. i was disappointed that i couldnt find phrf #s for the suncat, horizon cat and the eclipse.

[Salty19]

Wow I guess I didn't realize the PC's are as fast as they are.

This should be interesting, great fun to compare them all.

Better than this epic race is of course the course the great people that come to CLR.  Can't wait to see everyone, yet sad that Carl and Joan will not be attendance.

Steve, we all owe you a slug of grog for setting all this up!

[kickingbug1]

    thought popped into my head today. what does everyone think of having a second race at the clr. basically a warm up race with a prize for first place. the clr cup would still be awarded for the "big" race.  thoughts?

[Bob23]

As long as it's as much fun as the previous races, I'm all for it!!!!!! And I think the idea of a night sail is good, too.