clr race rules?

[kickingbug1]

  i have been giving last years clr race a certain amount of thought and i may have an idea that might fix the problems that came up. obviously, the cp16s should not have had such a large head start. i think matt can help with the start times. second--the course. I'm thinking that is i don't race, i can leave the marina early and head north to a point east of the sailing association. when i get there i can anchor and my boat can become the windward mark. jason can still handle the "le mans" start and begin the countdown after i tell him I'm at anchor. the racers can race north, round my boat (great photo op by the way) and head southeast to the finish. last years raft up spot near south shore swimming area. i will provide maps of the course as well as the agreed on radio frequency and a list of the boats and cell phone numbers. this should prevent the confusion that occurred last year (again-my fault). i could also make a "windward marker" and anchor close by. although i don't think anyone would run into my anchored boat it might work better. let me know how this sounds (especially past clr sailors). again the race is just for laughs even though the "trophies" are priceless.

[Bob23]

I like this idea, Kick. I don't know if I'll race my 23 or the Guideboat. Is there a handicap rating for rowing craft?
Bob23

[kickingbug1]

   make a deal on that 16 that jason has (or at least rent it) and show us all of that sailing expertise. i need all the schooling i can get.

[Salty19]

Like the race ideas, kick. The PHRF start will make this pretty fair.  You could potentially drop a fender in the water the afternoon before or the morning of with an anchor to mark the point, then you can participate in the race too.  Your call, just tossing it out as an idea.  Sounds like you have the start times, course and maps handled. 

Thx as always for organizing this great event!   Of course the race is only a small part of the fun at CLR, but seems to draw the most interest.

[kickingbug1]

    well, i think i have come up with a good race plan for this summers clr. had a few beers and some good food with carl and matt at the winery yesterday and we concluded that we would set up a square racecourse using two markers set east of the sailing association which would have to be rounded to port to the finish at last years raft up spot (the shallows near the southshore swimming area.  sarah and i will not compete but will leave early that morning to set the markers. then we will anchor up nearby and take pics of the boats rounding the marks. matt will set start times for each boat and either mike c. or jason will handle the start. this should keep the fleet together and make for some great pictures (water canons will be permitted during the race). again, each boat will be given an information sheet including radio frequencies, cell phone numbers and maps. this should take eliminate any confusion.     come on spring!!!

[Bob23]

This is sounding highly organized. I like the water cannon idea. Is there a PHRF rating for an Adirondack Guideboat?
Bob23

[Greene]

Absolutely Bob, but since you are facing backwards you need to do the course starting at the finish line.   Also, we will allow foot operated water cannons (for the first time) since you will be rowing at the same time. 

Your ever helpful friend,
Mike

[Bob23]

Mike:
   You're too good to me! Rowing seems to come natural. Some say it works well with my backward personality. !Mean they what know don't I.
If I start at the finish line, will there be beer for me at the starting line, which will be my finish line? My, this is getting confusing.
32boB

[brackish]

  check if these phrf numbers are correct    cp16--335, suncat--318, catalina capri 18---288, cp19--280, oday25---225.    i dont have numbers on the eclipse although i think its about the same as the catalina. also dont have number on the cp23 or horizon cat. matt probably has all that. mike you hit it on the head with your "race" definition. it cant help but be a little competitive. but it must be friendly.

I missed this first time around.  As I recall, before most of the Compacs were removed from the USSA PHRF listing the average rating for the 23 was 255.  That would apply to all 23's that have not been modified in some way that would require a custom measurement and rating.  For instance that rating would not apply to Bob23.  His boat should rate about a 155, losing approximately 100 handicap points for certain factors.  We all know, that if Bob is in the race, Guido, Rocco, Sal and Tony will be staged along the way in power boats, impeding the progress of the other sailors.

[kickingbug1]

    if bob has bobby from the supranos as a crew im for it. although i dont think he could carry enough "lunch" for the day

[Salty19]

I hear you, Brackish. He comes across as this lovable fun-loving guy, but he keeps dropping hints about all the "connections" he has throughout the greater NJ area.
Don't forget Mikey, Jimmie, Bobby, Robby, Vinnie, and Joey.  Why do they keep calling themselves little boys names anyway??

ElkRiver told me in confidence that Bob,  and I need to reveal it now for transparency purposes and full disclosure,  thinks but can't confirm he's concealing twin Kawasaki jet-ski engines within the keel.  You ever noticed he's never launched his boat with his truck-avoiding paparazzi, and only uses a sling lift? And just won't give up that ol' two-stroke outboard? Loves the smell he says.  

Hiding something.  No one has seen the bottom of Koinonia but Bob and a guy that he gives beer to in exchange for launching his boat, and keeping quiet about Koinonias little secret.

Of course cheating is welcomed and encouraged at the CLR race.  But no motors as allowed Bob...you got that??

As far as the CLR race PRHF corrections..we don't need no stinkin' corrections!!!  

[Bob23]

Salty:
   I don't know how you found out about my secret. Perhaps I should give my marina guys (Vince and Vinnie) better beer than PBR! And I assumed that cheating was a requirement...not just allowed.
   As far as my Kawasaki Keel, this is not true at all. I have installed, however, a Compac approved reverse osmosis wing keel power assist unit in the keel. I stress "Compac Approved" because after I installed it, no one objected!
Bob...let the madness continue

[mattman]

Here is the page I usually reference.

http://www.phrfne.org/page/handicapping/base_handicaps

[kickingbug1]

   mike (salty 19) had a good idea. since the race it kind of the climax of the clr he thought it would be better to have it on wed or thursday. with just sailing and raft ups in between. i do want everyone to be able to "compete for the clr cup". everyone let me know what you think. sarah and i are the committee boat so it doesnt matter to us.

[kickingbug1]

   hope this change isnt a big deal for anyone---if so let me know.