Good deal or not?

[Ralph Erickson]

I'm looking to move up from my CP 16 to a CP 19.  There is a 1982 19 in the classified section in which he is asking $3,750 for boat, motor, trailer & nice sail inventory.  Haven't seen pictures of the trailer, but have seen pictures of the boat, and it looks as though it can use some work, especially the cabin. (you can see pics at www.seekerdiveservice.com & go to "contact us" - pics are at the bottom of the page).  Almost looks as though there may have been water in the cabin - teak appears stained below - but it's hard to tell in these pictures.  My question is, does this seem like a good deal?

There also is one for sale on e-bay.  It's an 84 & looks to be in great shape. Auction was at $4,050 last time I looked.  Comes with trailer but no motor. 

Another question - the '82 doesn't have a bowsprit, but the '84 does.  Does it make much of a difference?

It's fun looking for a boat!

Thanks for your answers!

Ralph

[mikeg]

Hi Ralph,

I'm sure others on the forum could offer better "advice" than me, but I might look around at other 19's if I were in your deck shoes (as you indicate you're doing, e.g. the '84 without a motor) because even an appearance of water in the cabin MIGHT be a redflag. I paid 4500. in July for our 1987 in-very-good-condition Compac 19-- motor, 2003 trailer, everything came with it. So if the '82 you're looking at could use som work...then 3750. might be a little spendy.

That's my two-cents (if that!)
Mike G.
s.v Freebird- CP19/II

[mikeg]

Ralph,
Just remembered-- I forgot to comment on the bowsprit. If nothing else, it 'looks cool'.  But I think it has a slight effect on weather/leehelm, compared to a 19 that doesn't have it. I mean, it moves the tack of the jibsail further fortward and probably has slight effect. Also obviously the headsail's cut is probably different on a bowsprit model (84 or newer?), and so the power/helm is probably differenht---   although how noticeable this change is in everyday sailing, I have no idea.

Again, the sprit (and that cool bobstay) is very cool to look at-- makes the boat look more traditional.
Mike G.
s.v Freebird

[fafnir]

I think 3750 for a C-19 sounds like a good deal, especially if you can go look at it and see what kind of work the boat needs.  I have always been scared off buying a boat off of ebay as it is so easy to hide damage or the true condition of something in the photos.  Any boat you buy is going to need some work.  Heck even new boats need to have instruments installed and other personal tweaks made to the rigging, very rarely is anything ever perfect.  When looking at boats I make sure that the important (ie expensive) things on a boat look sound (mast, rudder keel bolts etc) If that checks out then I look the rest of the boat over making notes of what needs to be repaired/replaced and come up with an estimate of both time and money that would need to be spent on the boat to make it the way I would want it.  If that number is in the ballpark of what I have to spend on a boat then to me it is a good deal.  If this boat were closer to Minnesota I would definetly have taken a look. 

[K3v1n]

Hey Ralph,
I paid 2900 for mine which was a 1985, came with motor but no trailer and then
spent 1600 on a new trailer. So if things checked out okay after a first hand look I'd say it sounds like a fairly good price.

If I was to sell mine today I'd want at least 5000 for it.
Then I'd get that Seaward 22 I've had my eyes on at the local marina.......

Best of luck searching around.

-Kevin

[Ralph Erickson]

See, Kevin! Now you've gone and done it!  Here, I was all set on a 19, and you had to put a bigger boat in my head. Hmmmmm..........maybe the 23................just kidding!  I did think of the 23, but I want to trailer the boat to the jersey shore and the chesapeake now and then, and it's easier to do that in the 19.  Plus,  the largest boat I can have in my slip at Nockamixon is 20 feet.  Even though I've never been inside the cabin of a 19, I know they are a world bigger than the 16, and I'm sure big enough for my needs.

Ralph

[pelican]

If you are seriously interested in the boat, take a close up in person look at it. Take someone with you familiar with boats if you are not.

If still interested after looking ,I would try to find out the boats history. Frequently salvage operators acquire boats through the courts via salvage and/or storage/ dock fees. Sometimes they are willing to come down considerable in price depending on the local market and their investment in the boat...... It won't hurt to ask.

I have dabbled in that business a bit. In fact, My C19 was abandoned at a marina storage yard. I purchased it and got attached to it. Now I can't part with it.

Good luck

Terry

[Ralph Erickson]

Thanks for the tips, Terry.  I wish I could go to see it, but I'm in Pennsylvania and the boat is in Tennessee.  I do have in-laws in Tennessee, but they don't know anything about boats.  I may send them to take more pictures.  I bought my present 1985 CP16 site unseen, just from pictures, from a guy in upstate New York.  I lucked out big time, as the boat was like new when I bought her - she sat covered in a barn unused for 15 years!  But I might not be as lucky this time, so I'm leary.  Anyway, I will ask about the history on this one.  Thanks again!

Ralph

[mgoller]

I'd say both are very good deals.  I looked at the pictures of the one in Tennesee - it looks great.  That's how mine looked except mine had the early blue upholstery instead of the later brown and tan plaid.  It is an 82 and it needed some polish.  The price for the 84 is really good too.  I am always less cautious than most people so I'd buy either as long as you let the seller know you might change your mind upon inspection.  But I would ask lots of questions, ask for more pics for areas of concern etc...
The 82 vs 84 is a matter of personal preference.  For the small difference if you want the 84 upgrades it will cost you much more to convert the 82 to a later model's fit-out.
Also, I'm someone who enjoys the work on a boat.  Not everyone does.  It'll be cheaper to buy a boat the way you want it if you don't want to do the work.
Dive in, the water is fine!

[steve brown]

Hi Ralph, I have an 1982 CP-19, and at one time considered adding a bow-sprit. I spoke to the folks at Hutchins who make these wonderful boats, about adding the bow-sprit in reference to sailing improvement. They told me that of all the boats they made, the 19 did not reflect that much improvement by adding the bow sprit. But one wonders why they added it to later models of the 19. I think it would nice to have just as feature for setting the anchor. Best wishes on your search for a CP-19. It is a great boat. Steve

[Craig Weis]

The guy making the Seaward 22 [Hake] had at one time worked for Hutchins and as a mater of fact these two boat companies are just down the same road from each other. cjw.

[Ralph Erickson]

I had a friend inspect the cabin of the CP 19 I've been considering purchasing (the one advertised here in Classifieds), and he says that there is no sign of water in the cabin or the bilge, but there is a fair amount of mold in the cabin.  Is this a common problem in the CP 19 (It's a 1982), and should I be concerned?  What could be causing this?

Ralph

[steve brown]

Hi Ralph, My 1982 CP-19 had a lot of mildew stains in it. I had to sqirm into places I did'nt think I could go to clean it out. A boat in a wet environment with no air circulation will cause this. I cleaned my boat from stem to stern with a  mild soap /bleach solution. During the Winter I leave all the hatches adjar and have at least three moisture absorbing canisters inside. one in the cabin plus one in each lazarette. My wife gave me one of those West Marine mushroom shaped heater fans which circulates warm air throughout the cabin 24/7. In the Summer, I rely on a Nicro solar/rechargeable battery vent, set on exhaust, that easily fits on the V-berth hatch. I also leave the moisture cannisters in the lazarettes during the sailing season. My mildew problems are minimum with this procedure.  I paid about $3,800. for mine 2 years ago with a nice trailer and a like new 4hp 2 stroke motor. I sold the motor and bought a like new 5 hp /4 Honda motor. I don't want to know how much I have spent adding things and maintenance since aquiring Odina Aurore. I am having fun sailing and working on her and that is all that matters.  Good luck and good sailing when you find your 19. Regards, Steve

[Ralph Erickson]

Well, as you can see by the picture, I took the plunge and bought a CP 19, hull #347.  I found her in North Carolina (she was advertised here in classifieds). She's a 1986 II, and she came with lot's of extras, including a CDI Roller Furler,  bimini, 6hp Johnson Seahorse longshaft, solar fan on the hatch, cockpit cushions, compass, windscoop, vhf, boom vang, hutch trailer with new tires & new spare, & new axle, & more.  She's in excellent condition - the cabin looks great with clean cushions, teak is in excellent shape, and the hull has no defects.  The bottom needs to be stripped and painted, but that's the only work she needs!  The owner said that when he bought her, she had sat unused for 10 years by the previous owner.  Can't wait to get her on the water!

Ralph

[crbakdesign]

You won't regret it!

Last night I spent a great peaceful evening with a few sailing chums and then enjoyed a quiet night sleeping in cove in my 19. With a 3/4 moon and sky full of stars, that's how I like to wash away a weeks worth of 40 hours plus drudge. 
Enjoy!