I really wish I covered my Com-Pac this winter. There was just too much going on in the fall and I never got around to building a frame. I was hoping this winter would have been mild like last year which it is not. I did clean the boat off after the first 2 snow storms but have not had been able to the last few.
What kind of damage can I expect in the spring? My deck is already in pretty bad shape with its fair share of stress cracks and chips. I was going to start repairing some of it as soon as the weather broke I guess this will just add to my work. I am also pretty sure the last 2 owners never covered the boat or if they did it was crappy job. When I picked the boat up from the PO last year he had a tarp covering it but the tarp ended up filling up with water and we had to drain it all out of the cockpit before I moved the boat which was a huge PITA.
Here is a picture of my Ice-Pac and the tree that just missed it last week
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Ice-Pac - Yeah that's the ticket. Put runners on your trailer load 'er up and take it to the hard water and sail off! If the ice breaks you'll still be afloat!
TG
Really it shouldnt damage the boat any. We have several at the marina that sit and dont get any treatment for the weather.
As long as you have the proper tilt so that she drains really well out the back, she should be good. IF you have water filling in the bilge, you should add RV antifreeze and change/add as needed. that way that wont freeze. If it is like mine, dry all the time bilge, you have no issues.
Would it be a good idea to tarp on the top of the cabin, sure, yo protect the ports from getting ice in them, but not a necessity. also a tarp sitting atop the boat will keep the weather and such off the actual boat itself. Then you will need to uncover it soon after to help get it ready for its spring cleaning.
There is a Beneteau Oceanis 38 at work, has hatches on deck with their own drains.... Ice was coming out of them, All of them........ No big deal, and no damage I am sure.
Your good to go in comparison to that boat ;)
Mac
I had a CP-19 several decades ago. One year we had a harsh winter with lots of snow. Snow packed down to ice and new snow on top. The CP-19 was on its factory supplied trailer. Spring finally arrived and I started to prepare for sailing season. I opened one of the storage lids on the forward V-birth and discovered the fiberglass tabbing that held a cross panel to the hull side was cracked/broken through its entire length. I could push on the panel and it was loose from the hull side. So I ended up paying to have the panel retabbed to the hull.
I can't say with 100% certainty that it was the weight of snow that caused it. However, I'm pretty sure it wasn't that way when I cleaned out those bins the previous fall. I would suggest snow removal.
" My deck is already in pretty bad shape with its fair share of stress cracks and chips. "
Moderating temps = Ice melting to water during the day, freezing at night. Flowing into the cracks, expanding. It's a micro thing.
N.A. here but ... Cantilevering a snow covered tarp between the stanchions pulls the tops toward the center line of the boat, pulling the screws out of the hard points under the fiberglass deck and allowing water to ingress. Make a tent, nothing touches the boat.
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" I opened one of the storage lids on the forward V-birth and discovered the fiberglass tabbing that held a cross panel to the hull side was cracked/broken through its entire length. I could push on the panel and it was loose from the hull side. So I ended up paying to have the panel retabbed to the hull.
Hummm. Are we saying the bulkhead between the Vee birth and quarter birth cracked port to starboard? [mine did but remained 'glued' in place] No. Bulkhead is fine, but came 'un-glued' from the inside of hull. Grind out what you can and lay up some more 20 ounce woven resign impregnated fiberglass cloth. Wonder why it cracked there? Something pulled the hull apart? Weight of snow/ice? Did the bulkhead wood dry out and shrink and pull away?
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" Oil canning?
The trailer was not adjusted properly for the boat. The weight of the boat sits on the keel rollers or keel board. The hull bunks barley support the boat's weight. I set my bunks up so I can pull a single layer shop rag out from between the boat and the carpeted hull bunks. No more 'push up' is required then this. The boat's not going to roll off the trailer when going down the road. And no oil canning sitting in storage.
Additionally the curve of the hull bunks match the curve of the hull. Because of this it's not possible to slide the boat off the trailer but rather float the boat off the trailer.
skip.
This was a 1988 CP-19 that I bought new and owned for about 12 years. The incident with the broken tabbing occurred about five years into ownership. I don't think it would be wood shrinkage at that point. The 20 years since have faded the details from my memory. I believe it was on the port side. I don't recall if it was forward or aft athwart ship panel inside the storage bin. A poorly adjusted trailer is certainly a possibility as I never touched it once I took delivery of boat and trailer from the dealer. It could also have been a combination of both things (snow/ice + trailer). I think the only reason I even associated the snow with the broken tabbing was that it was mentioned by the boat yard who repaired it as being the likely source.
Thanks guys for the replies. I think after this round of snow clears up I am going to clean off the deck and take Mac's advice and tarp the top of the cabin.
Skip I actually have been worrying about possible oil caning. As you guys know I rebuilt my trailer last summer and even though I checked and double checked the hull bunks I still worry they are not adjusted correctly it was actually my biggest concern when I was setting up the trailer. Once it gets a little warmer I am going to check them once again
Matt - I've tarped my CP16 for three winters now. When putting her to sleep for the winter, I strip the mast of any interfering hardware and have a crutch forward and aft and a couple of bungees to support it horizontally. I then toss a heavy duty tarp of the appropriate size (Harbor Freight) over the mast. I apply 3 tie-downs that hook to the trailer on either side. I finish with 1 quart milk containers 3/4 full of water (ice!) all around with "S" hooks. Those milk containers are important... they keep the tarp taut preventing snow and ice buildup. Lastly, some heavy duty spring clamps front and back of the tarp to close things up. Dry as the Sahara! 8)
Marty K.
CP16 Pegasus
P.S. If any object is protruding into the tarp, I use a carpet mat or some high density foam to prevent tearing of the tarp.
Koinonia's winter cover system: Has withstood wind, ice and snow for 4 winters and counting:
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It pays to cover your boat...I don't like water freezing against any of the teak. Plus this cover allows me to work on the boat pretty easily. I think there is detailed info on the construction somewhere in my Continuing Adventures of Koinonia.
Bob23
Went out this morning thinking I could clear off the boat. Nope the snow was rock hard. It is supposed to be in the 50's next week. I should be able to get it taken care of then
Matt,
I copied Bob's setup using 1" PVC conduit. It's not as elaborate as Bob's but it held up to the 20" of snow we had yesterday here in upstate NY.
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Quote from: Bob23 on February 14, 2014, 07:51:21 PM
Koinonia's winter cover system: Has withstood wind, ice and snow for 4 winters and counting:
Bob23
Bob,
I pleased to see you posting pics again!!!! New computer?
-Allen
No new computer yet...just more patience (?) with PB. My first cover was a tarp over the pvc hoop system but then I had a Fisher Canvas cover made. Pretty waterproof and I love the smell of real canvas.
Just found the reciept from Fisher Canvas- I picked it up Feb. 11, 2008. So it's really 6 years old. My, my...where is the time going? Snowing now...starting to get sailing fever...I'm hoping to get out soon on the Precision 15k that was given to me.
Man, you aren't kidding about snow up there. I have no room to complain: I figure total for us this winter is about 16-18" with the maximum single dump about 6".
Bob23
One nice thing about my cp 16 is that is just fits into my garage. Were that not the case I would be spending $40+ a month for an outdoor storage facility ( which would be the end of the boat since my wife would argue that it is costing me money when I am it able to use it.
Quote from: Bob23 on February 15, 2014, 04:38:07 PM
Snowing now...starting to get sailing fever...I'm hoping to get out soon on the Precision 15k that was given to me.
Man, you aren't kidding about snow up there. I have no room to complain: I figure total for us this winter is about 16-18" with the maximum single dump about 6".
Bob23
You got that right about sailing fever! Notice that I cleared the snow from around the Madame so I could just hook her up and head SOUTH. But how far south would I have to go??? This last storm pretty much dumped on most of the east coast....... ::)
Anyway, we are talking about putting in a car-port (boat-port) lean-to type structure on the side of the garage to protect her from the weather.
-Allen
Allen:
That looks like really nice country where you live. Do you cross country ski?
Bob23
Not as much as I would like to, Bob but I did consider going out today.
I really like those covers with the frame. I am going to go that route next year.
The weather is looking up here in Bucks County PA. It is going to be above 40 today and in the 50's the next few days.
I plan on liberating my boat from its ice tomb soon ;D
I had about a half hour of light when I got home last night so I put on my snow pants and went to town.
My only mistake was starting at the bow. I did not jack the rear of the trailer up so when I cleared the bow it changed the balance and boat tipped back on to the snow pack :(.
Let me just say I started shoveling out the cockpit like crazy until the bow came back down. Hopefully by the time I get home Mother Nature should have removed the remaining snow
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One time, I was driving my truck around and brought my wife to work because it was so bad out. When I returned home, I wne to put it in park, and the shifter wouldnt do it. I called my buddy the mechanic and asked him if I was able to get it turned around and drive it to his place could he check it out. Sure, so now how do I do that....
I ended up looking under the truck to figure it out and the entire undercarriage was choked FULL of slush Ice. I had never had that happen.
To get it thawed out I spent the next 40 minutes with a hose spraying out the stuff. Horrible. Cold and wet I returned to the house to empty the water heater on me in the shower.
Knowing that I could stay dry, If I was in your predicament I might have busted that hose out and after the big stuff would have sprayed it out. I hope I never have to do it, but I think that would work out really well.
Glad to see this crap melting off finally..... supposed to get big rain tonight, and possibility of tornados rest of week.......
Mac
or put jackstands under the trailer.
The tornado will blow the snow away. I wish this weren't so uplifting.
knock on wood.
TG
Quote from: MacGyver on February 19, 2014, 05:17:36 PM
the entire undercarriage was choked FULL of slush Ice.
Mac
same here.
i arrived home after driving the jeep through 18" of snow and slush, and parked it in the garage.
the temp dropped to -26* that night and in the morning the brakes were frozen along with the steering due to the ice packed into them.
cc
Matt....be glad your com-PAC isn't one of these other boats. Huntington harbor yesterday
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Gee. Looking at this picture brings to mind the Artic explorer Shackelton's crushed Beagle.
It's not possible to fool, change, or control Mother Nature. No matter how much money is thrown at her, right Mr. Gore?
OPPS! You are correct TedStrat on both counts ... the BEAGLE was Darwin and ENDURANCE was crushed. Thank you.
skip.
Gee, Bob. If that were Barnegat, you could walk? right out to Koinonia and save all that rowing. But, of course, the rowing is de rigueur... 8)
Marty K.
Ah...yeah, your'e right Mr. Skip.
AG
M: We've had more ice on the bay than I've seen in years. Not solid enough to walk on but strong enough to remove ICW markers. But not today....just got back from a nice 5 mile row. It's amazing how painful it is until you get all blistered up!
Bob23
Quote from: skip1930 on February 20, 2014, 09:53:30 AM
Gee. Looking at this picture brings to mind the Artic explorer Shackelton's crushed Beagle.
It's not possible to fool, change, or control Mother Nature. No matter how much money is thrown at her, right Mr. Gore?
skip.
All we need is the James Caird lifeboat and Shackelton's navigator Worlesly!
Ps...wasn't the Beagle Darwin's? Can't remember
Beagle: Darwin
Shackelton: Endurance
Still iced over here despite some warming up this week. Back to cold and snow soon.
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We gotta move south...
The neighborhood pond has thawed out but there is no way I can get my CP 16 into the the pond, so I have to wait for some real water around here to clear out. I guess that give me time to get some work done on the boat for the season.
This weekend saw temps in the 60's here in NJ. Yeah, baby!! Nice rowing day on Saturday and great bike ride yesterday in shorts and t shirt. I love this state!!! Sometimes.
Bob23
I almost made a bet the other day that the lake wouldnt be open by Saturday (this past saturday.)
Turns out my coworker was right....... It was open!, 2 days of thaw, one day being the wind for sure just turned the ice into a giant cloud of condensation which looked amazing! It was like having a cloud directly on top of the lake right at the opening of the harbor!
From the edge it looked like you were looking into a cloud and you really couldnt see very far into it.
For the polar plunge saturday the lake was open and 64 that day I think.
Gives me hope that soon spring will come, and they will drop in the launching dock so we can get the boat in and get some time sailing.
Mac
In Sturgeon Bay, WI. we are very close to breaking the old record of 48 days of temps below zero for one winter.
The layer of frost in the ground has exceeded 6 foot+ thus breaking water and sewer lines.
So today we awake to -1 below zero F, with high of 10 deg. F. BUT the wind is just a-whipping
at 27 to 35 mph, thus driving the wind-chill down to dangerous. Frostbite expected. This morning the
barometer is climbing straight off the dial and the air is crystal clear, and at night a bazillion stars.
I am of the mind that the Polar Cap has slipped off the top of the Earth.
I'm guessing the snow will go a way end of April or early May.
skip.