My Poor Ice-Pac

[Mattlikesbikes]

I really wish I covered my Com-Pac this winter.  There was just too much going on in the fall and I never got around to building a frame. I was hoping this winter would have been mild like last year which it is not.  I did clean the boat off after the first 2 snow storms but have not had been able to the last few.  

What kind of damage can I expect in the spring?  My deck is already in pretty bad shape with its fair share of stress cracks and chips.  I was going to start repairing some of it as soon as the weather broke I guess this will just add to my work.  I am also pretty sure the last 2 owners never covered the boat or if they did it was crappy job.  When I picked the boat up from the PO last year he had a tarp covering it but the tarp ended up filling up with water and we had to drain it all out of the cockpit before I moved the boat which was a huge PITA.

Here is a picture of my Ice-Pac and the tree that just missed it last week

[Tim Gardner]

Ice-Pac - Yeah that's the ticket.  Put runners on your trailer load 'er up and take it to the hard water and sail off!  If the ice breaks you'll still be afloat!

TG

[MacGyver]

Really it shouldnt damage the boat any. We have several at the marina that sit and dont get any treatment for the weather.
As long as you have the proper tilt so that she drains really well out the back, she should be good. IF you have water filling in the bilge, you should add RV antifreeze and change/add as needed. that way that wont freeze. If it is like mine, dry all the time bilge, you have no issues.

Would it be a good idea to tarp on the top of the cabin, sure, yo protect the ports from getting ice in them, but not a necessity. also a tarp sitting atop the boat will keep the weather and such off the actual boat itself. Then you will need to uncover it soon after to help get it ready for its spring cleaning.

There is a Beneteau Oceanis 38 at work, has hatches on deck with their own drains.... Ice was coming out of them, All of them........ No big deal, and no damage I am sure.

Your good to go in comparison to that boat

Mac

[cas206]

I had a CP-19 several decades ago.  One year we had a harsh winter with lots of snow.  Snow packed down to ice and new snow on top.  The CP-19 was on its factory supplied trailer.  Spring finally arrived and I started to prepare for sailing season.  I opened one of the storage lids on the forward V-birth and discovered the fiberglass tabbing that held a cross panel to the hull side was cracked/broken through its entire length.  I could push on the panel and it was loose from the hull side.  So I ended up paying to have the panel retabbed to the hull. 

I can't say with 100% certainty that it was the weight of snow that caused it.  However, I'm pretty sure it wasn't that way when I cleaned out those bins the previous fall.  I would suggest snow removal.

[skip1930]

"  My deck is already in pretty bad shape with its fair share of stress cracks and chips. "

Moderating temps = Ice melting to water during the day, freezing at night. Flowing into the cracks, expanding. It's a micro thing.

N.A. here but ... Cantilevering a snow covered tarp between the stanchions pulls the tops toward the center line of the boat, pulling the screws out of the hard points under the fiberglass deck and allowing water to ingress.  Make a tent, nothing touches the boat.

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" I opened one of the storage lids on the forward V-birth and discovered the fiberglass tabbing that held a cross panel to the hull side was cracked/broken through its entire length.  I could push on the panel and it was loose from the hull side.  So I ended up paying to have the panel retabbed to the hull.

Hummm. Are we saying the bulkhead between the Vee birth and quarter birth cracked port to starboard? [mine did but remained 'glued' in place] No. Bulkhead is fine, but came 'un-glued' from the inside of hull. Grind out what you can and lay up some more 20 ounce woven resign impregnated fiberglass cloth. Wonder why it cracked there? Something pulled the hull apart? Weight of snow/ice? Did the bulkhead wood dry out and shrink and pull away?

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" Oil canning?

The trailer was not adjusted properly for the boat. The weight of the boat sits on the keel rollers or keel board. The hull bunks barley support the boat's weight. I set my bunks up so I can pull a single layer shop rag out from between the boat and the carpeted hull bunks. No more 'push up' is required then this. The boat's not going to roll off the trailer when going down the road. And no oil canning sitting in storage.

Additionally the curve of the hull bunks match the curve of the hull. Because of this it's not possible to slide the boat off the trailer but rather float the boat off the trailer.

skip.

[cas206]

This was a 1988 CP-19 that I bought new and owned for about 12 years.  The incident with the broken tabbing occurred about five years into ownership.  I don't think it would be wood shrinkage at that point.  The 20 years since have faded the details from my memory.  I believe it was on the port side.  I don't recall if it was forward or aft athwart ship panel inside the storage bin.  A poorly adjusted trailer is certainly a possibility as I never touched it once I took delivery of boat and trailer from the dealer.  It could also have been a combination of both things (snow/ice + trailer).  I think the only reason I even associated the snow with the broken tabbing was that it was mentioned by the boat yard who repaired it as being the likely source.

[Mattlikesbikes]

Thanks guys for the replies.   I think after this round of snow clears up I am going to clean off the deck and take Mac's advice and tarp the top of the cabin. 

Skip I actually have been worrying about possible oil caning.  As you guys know I rebuilt my trailer last summer and even though I checked and double checked the hull bunks I still worry they are not adjusted correctly it was actually my biggest concern when I was setting up the trailer.  Once it gets a little warmer I am going to check them once again

[MKBLK]

Matt - I've tarped my CP16 for three winters now. When putting her to sleep for the winter, I strip the mast of any interfering hardware and have a crutch forward and aft and a couple of bungees to support it horizontally. I then toss a heavy duty tarp of the appropriate size (Harbor Freight) over the mast. I apply 3 tie-downs that hook to the trailer on either side. I finish with 1 quart milk containers 3/4 full of water (ice!) all around with "S" hooks. Those milk containers are important... they keep the tarp taut preventing snow and ice buildup. Lastly, some heavy duty spring clamps front and back of the tarp to close things up. Dry as the Sahara! 

Marty K.
CP16 Pegasus

P.S. If any object is protruding into the tarp, I use a carpet mat or some high density foam to prevent tearing of the tarp.

[Bob23]

Koinonia's winter cover system: Has withstood wind, ice and snow for 4 winters and counting:


It pays to cover your boat...I don't like water freezing against any of the teak. Plus this cover allows me to work on the boat pretty easily. I think there is detailed info on the construction somewhere in my Continuing Adventures of Koinonia.
Bob23

[Mattlikesbikes]

Went out this morning thinking I could clear off the boat. Nope the snow was rock hard.  It is supposed to be in the 50's next week. I should be able to get it taken care of then

[Eagleye]

Matt,
I copied Bob's setup using 1" PVC conduit.   It's not as elaborate as Bob's but it held up to the 20" of snow we had yesterday here in upstate NY.

Koinonia's winter cover system: Has withstood wind, ice and snow for 4 winters and counting:
Bob23

Bob,
I pleased to see you posting pics again!!!!  New computer?


-Allen

[Bob23]

   No new computer yet...just more patience (?) with PB. My first cover was a tarp over the pvc hoop system but then I had a Fisher Canvas cover made. Pretty waterproof and I love the smell of real canvas.
   Just found the reciept from Fisher Canvas- I picked it up Feb. 11, 2008. So it's really 6 years old. My, my...where is the time going? Snowing now...starting to get sailing fever...I'm hoping to get out soon on the Precision 15k that was given to me.
   Man, you aren't kidding about snow up there. I have no room to complain: I figure total for us this winter is about 16-18" with the maximum single dump about 6".
Bob23

[wroundey]

One nice thing about my cp 16 is that is just fits into my garage. Were that not the case I would be spending $40+ a month for an outdoor storage facility ( which would be the end of the boat  since my wife would argue that it is costing me money when I am it able to use it.

[Eagleye]

Snowing now...starting to get sailing fever...I'm hoping to get out soon on the Precision 15k that was given to me.
   Man, you aren't kidding about snow up there. I have no room to complain: I figure total for us this winter is about 16-18" with the maximum single dump about 6".
Bob23

You got that right about sailing fever!  Notice that I cleared the snow from around the Madame so I could just hook her up and head SOUTH.  But how far south would I have to go???   This last storm pretty much dumped on most of the east coast....... 

Anyway, we are talking about putting in a car-port (boat-port) lean-to type structure on the side of the garage to protect her from the weather. 

-Allen

[Bob23]

Allen:
   That looks like really nice country where you live. Do you cross country ski?
Bob23