Hi!

[mquigley]

Hi!

It's been a long time since I've been here--probably more than a decade. I wonder if there is anyone here that will remember me, other than CaptK? I used to run an older version of the CPYOA around the 2001-2002 timeframe. I restored a CP16, which ended up being fire-engine red (named "Lucy Q"). Then I moved on to a 19/2 (which was probably my favorite boat of all time). I picked up a Beneteau 235 next and did some PHRF racing on the local lake. After that was a period of boatlessness for a couple of years. Then I got maried and my wife and I owned a Nimble 20 for a few months, but had a hard time with how it sailed. We decided to buy a brand new Corsair Dash 750 trimaran, which we flipped on the coast of Florida the first weekend out in a microburst. We kept the dash for a couple of years, but were always a little afraid of it after the capsize.

I'm in a period of boatlessness again, but I'm starting to think about my next boat. Thinking about going for a CP23 to use as a portable cruising boat--something that we take out just for weekends and coastal trips--for cruising, not really for daysailing. And also maybe picking up something like a WindRider 17 to use for daysailing and for speed thrills.

Anyway... just wanted to say hello! Glad to see you folks are still here doing what you've always done.

Michael
(Charlotte, NC)

[deisher6]

Hey Mquigley:
Welcome back.  I keep on thinking about picking up a Hobie or Prindle to do some thrilling sailing.....probably not going to happen though.  I'll have to stick with a C-27 and a dink.

A few C-23 deals at Blackbeard's YC on the Neuse.

regards charlie

[mquigley]

Hi Charlie...

Looks like CP23's are pretty easy to get ahold of these days. I failed to mention--I am having a bit of an internal debate between the CP23 and the Eclipse. Like I said, I absolutely loved my 19/2. It was easy to rig and launch single-handed. It felt like a much bigger boat, and it actually sailed really well for what it is. It was cozy for short trips. I can only imagine that the Eclipse is just a "better" 19 (I'm aware of the backstory about the 19 molds wearing out and CP developing the Eclipse).

But the extra comfort and size of the 23 would make it more suitable for longer-term cruising trips. Might could even try and get over to the Bahamas from Miami one of these days--I don't know that I'd want to do that trip in the Eclipse, but the 23 seems more reasonable for that.

I have a full-sized pickup truck with a #10k towing capacity, so I shouldn't have a problem trailering either boat.

Anyone have any wisdom about the realities of trailering the 23 versus the 19/Eclipse?

[rbh1515]

Michael,
If you want a small multihull for speed thrills, IMO there is one boat to get...Weta.  Fantastic 14' trimaran.  A friend has one and frequently sails in SanFran.
I just got a ComPac last year, Horizon Day Cat.  My first cat boat and love it.  I came very close to buying a Corsair Dash.  Looks like a cool boat, but was probably not practical here on Lake Michigan where the water is cold.  Didn't realize they were prone to capsize...scary!
Rob

[mquigley]

The Weta is a really nice little multi. It's still a possibility... I just wish it was a little bit bigger. I've been waiting for Weta Marine to come out with a Weta 17 for years. :-)

[rbh1515]

My friend with the Weta mainly sails singlehanded.  But he said it easily fits two.
Rob

[BruceW]

Hi, Michael,

I was out of Com-pacs for awhile also, but back with a CP 23 last few years. Also, I have a WindRider 17 that is a nice ride.

Welcome back!

Bruce

[mquigley]

Hi Bruce!

Is it crazy to own a CP23 and trailer sail it 8-12 times a year?

Michael

[BruceW]

Well, if you have a better trailer than I have, I think it would work. You might also look into Keith Scott's retro-fit mastender rigs to make it easier.  I keep mine in the water at Blackbeard Sailing Club near New Bern.

[mquigley]

Well, if you have a better trailer than I have, I think it would work. You might also look into Keith Scott's retro-fit mastender rigs to make it easier.  I keep mine in the water at Blackbeard Sailing Club near New Bern.

That was one of the upgrades I made when I owned my 19/2, and probably part of why I enjoyed it so much... I ditched the (IMHO) undersized trailer the boat came with, and bought a big, oversized double-axle job from Loadmaster Trailer Company in Ohio (http://www.loadmastertrailerco.com/sailboat-trailers/). It had electric brakes and a weight distributing hitch--and I could have pulled that boat ANYWHERE with that rig. It towed like it wasn't even there. I never sweated the boat on the trailer behind me--it was just solid. I repurposed that trailer to carry my Beneteau 235 when I owned it.

I could see getting a trailer like that for the 23. Surely folks must have worked out a reasonable gin pole/tackle-based mast raising system for the 23? I used to just heft the mast on the 19 up by myself--it really wasn't too bad. I'd keep the jib halyard attached to the stem and tail it on a cleat on the mast as I was lifting it up. That made it pretty quick to set the boat up--lift up the mast, cleat off the halyard, then jump down to attach the forestay.

Didn't Keith's mastender modification for the 23 involve putting a Horizon Cat rig on the boat? Not sure I'd want that--I'd rather keep the original rig.

I guess I'm trying to talk myself into a 23. It looks like there are quite a bit more of them on the used market than there are Eclipses.

[BruceW]

The rig I saw was a regular rig; but it had a spacer for the boom connection so it could be brought alongside the mast. I think that is called boomtender.

The main idea was to make raising simpler. He probably has some posts about it on his site, which has changed due to his old provider going out of biz: www.sailboatrichlands.com.

You can probably do it just fine without, as you say, folks have been transporting them for years. I would think it depends on how long you'll be using it after you set it up since that isn't trivial.

Great sailing boat, regardless.

[mquigley]

The rig I saw was a regular rig; but it had a spacer for the boom connection so it could be brought alongside the mast. I think that is called boomtender.

The main idea was to make raising simpler. He probably has some posts about it on his site, which has changed due to his old provider going out of biz: www.sailboatrichlands.com.

You can probably do it just fine without, as you say, folks have been transporting them for years. I would think it depends on how long you'll be using it after you set it up since that isn't trivial.

Nice! I'll have to check that out if/when I get to that point.

[MacGyver]

That was one of the upgrades I made when I owned my 19/2, and probably part of why I enjoyed it so much... I ditched the (IMHO) undersized trailer the boat came with, and bought a big, oversized double-axle job from Loadmaster Trailer Company in Ohio (http://www.loadmastertrailerco.com/sailboat-trailers/). It had electric brakes and a weight distributing hitch--and I could have pulled that boat ANYWHERE with that rig. It towed like it wasn't even there. I never sweated the boat on the trailer behind me--it was just solid. I repurposed that trailer to carry my Beneteau 235 when I owned it.

I could see getting a trailer like that for the 23. Surely folks must have worked out a reasonable gin pole/tackle-based mast raising system for the 23? I used to just heft the mast on the 19 up by myself--it really wasn't too bad. I'd keep the jib halyard attached to the stem and tail it on a cleat on the mast as I was lifting it up. That made it pretty quick to set the boat up--lift up the mast, cleat off the halyard, then jump down to attach the forestay.

Didn't Keith's mastender modification for the 23 involve putting a Horizon Cat rig on the boat? Not sure I'd want that--I'd rather keep the original rig.

I guess I'm trying to talk myself into a 23. It looks like there are quite a bit more of them on the used market than there are Eclipses.

Any chance you might have the original order from that purchase for that trailer I might be able to get and call for a quote on, because I contemplated buying a new trailer, and frankly if that helps I might do it and keep the boat we have due to it being more versatile. That bolt together trailer just isn't really nice........

Buying a customer trailer for me is tough, Id rather know a a working solution and order that then having to hope it will be right.

Mac

[mquigley]

Any chance you might have the original order from that purchase for that trailer I might be able to get and call for a quote on, because I contemplated buying a new trailer, and frankly if that helps I might do it and keep the boat we have due to it being more versatile. That bolt together trailer just isn't really nice........

Buying a customer trailer for me is tough, Id rather know a a working solution and order that then having to hope it will be right.

Let me see what I can dig up. In the meantime, let me try embedding a couple of images here:





Absolutely the BEST boat/trailer combination I've ever owned.