Rigging the lines and Pulleys

[BossHogg]

I am recently a new owner of a 78 CP16.  There is no manual and no ropes.  Can someone please sned me a picture of how to rig the sheets through the pulleys.  I have no clue.

[tinydancer]

We're in the same boat!  I just bought a CP-16 ( I have minimal sailing experience)  and am lost too.  Thought I'd commiserate. :shock:

[crbakdesign]

Guys,

Welcome to the club!  The CP16 is a very forgiving and easy sailboat.  There is a lot of information available about how to sail this boat.  I would start with an internet resource with some great articles - http://www.ipass.net/sailboat/.  These folks have both pictures and basic sailing information using the CP16 as their example.  You can also see some great pictures on our own gallery.

If I were you  I would take the time to get some sailing instruction - at least the basics.  Understand the principles and basic sailing nomenclature.  

The basic CP16 is a simple sloop rigged boat with a jib and mainsail. There are only a few primary lines. (there are no ropes on a sailboat The standing rigging- cables that hold the mast upright- are 5/32" stainless and connect to strips of stainless on both sides of the hull and at the bow.  Halyards are the 1/4" lines ) that are used to raise and lower the mainsail and the jib. They attach to the "head" of the sail and are drawn up and down the mast.  When the sails are raised most of the halyard is coiled below the mast or run to the cockpit.  

There are two lines - called sheets - that are used to control the jib sail.  One is secured to a cleat on the side opposite where the wind is blowing.  The other is loose ready to be secured when trimming the sail when sailing in the opposite direction.  

The final and very important line is the mainsail sheet, the line which controls the mainsail from the cockpit.  A standard CP16 normally has the hardware for this mounted on the transum next to the rudder and going to the end of the boom.  

Another source with basic diagrams is a CP16 manual that can be ordered for your boat from Hutchins, the boat manufacturer in Florida.

It's a good thing to read, but once you get the basics, the best teacher is your own boat.  

Happy sailing.

[dusty]

nuts, I've looked all over that ipass link and don't see any diagrams involving the cp16 rigging at all...

went to go look at the hutchins site to order a manual for my '83 cp16, but what they're saying they have is a manual for the 16CB. hmm.... does this match my old boat?

more times than I can count now i've gone to google & google/images looking for all sorts of variations of "com-pac 16", no luck.

applesauce!

[mgoller]

Guys,
Crbakdesign's advice is as good as you'll get verbally or written.  Order the Robert burgess book HANDBOOK OF TRAILOR SAILING off the Hutchins website, I think it is in the accessories section.  Most of the information is devoted to the comPac 16, 19, 23.  rigging instructions are written and illustrated. 
And who gave my colleague the tsk tsk?  I gave him a good karma to make up for that slight.
Go to a marina and look at how sail boats are rigged.  Ask someone at a sailboat shop to draw a diagram of the part you are wondering about.
If it works its probably right.  If it isn't right its probably close and you can learn.
You aren't going to kill yourself if the sheets are threaded on the wrong side of the shroud or the mainsail halyard is on the port side.
Just get sailing, and remember the rudder is at the back of the boat and don't throw the anchor in unless you have a rope (rode) tied to it.

[dusty]

ah! the images on that site (ipass.net) are showing up again! great link, thank you crbakdesign. good verbal description you supplied too.

[dusty]

when you can take this pebble from my hand, you will be ready to see these advanced techniques, grasshopper.

[dusty]

ahHA. now that i'm a deck hand i can finally see what the karma mod actions are. i gave crbakdesign a - dun dun dun DA! -  "Damn, you're good!" myself.... what a slight! that guy takes ten minutes out of what must be -it is so with everyone i know-  a hectic schedule to provide a descriptive accounting, and he got a tsk?

here's a ferris bueler's teacher's, "wow".

i feel sorry for that person. obviously a CP owner, but weight like that has got to make the boat sag.

la pauvre fille...

[dusty]

BossHog, tinydancer,

i still don't know how it's supposed to be done.... but i have a guess after looking at pictures that i'd like to thunk people's noggins over, because none of the pictures ever shows the complete picture of how the main sheet is supposed to be rigged. i've already bought two books, i'm sick of buying things, i just want to sail.

together, maybe we'll figure it out.

here's how mine was set up as purchased:

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in the above pic you can see me looking pretty ill because their is very little wind, so my fiddle block, hanging there, bangs around my cockpit scratching up my beautiful eva. i hate that. the main sheet i'm holding there in my three fingered hand (but just barely). it goes through this fiddle block with a cam clutch (or whatever its called), up to a single wheel pulley attached to the mast, back down to the fiddle block and back up where it's tied off on the bottom of the pulley attached to the mast. the fiddle block is being held to the transom with a rope. the ends of that rope are going through two cam cleats on either side of my tiller. and it's not optimal because, like i said, when the wind is slack, so is my harken fiddle block there, and it's scratching up my boat.

okay, below, maybe this is how it is supposed to be done - but don't take my word for it! i haven't a clue what the heck i'm doing, as you may have picked up by now from some of my wierd nervous ticks. of course, that may be to chewing on lead pellet shot as a child...

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i think maybe this is more supposed to be how its done... who knows, it's a big secret. i'll just keep saving up my pennies until i have more money to throw to chance that i might get it right. if this is right, then i'll have to do away with the $120 harken fiddle block with cam cleat i guess, 'cause it don't fit in that picture.

happy independence day! save and protect our constitution - it is all that matters.

[Denis]

I sailed my CP 16 for the first time a few weeks ago and had a blast. It was only my second sailing lesion but I was actually able to go where I wanted to. Sometimes when
it was tacked just right it accelerated smoothly and quite fast. The heavy displacement hull kept good momentum through the tack. I did have a problem though that relates to rigging and BossHogg's questions. The main sheet which was replaced by the previous owner and is new, but it would not run through the rigging without the help of pushing on the boom, even in a brisk wind.  I think the main sheet is too large a diameter. It is 3/8".
Does anyone know what the correct size should be?  I have it threaded according to the
Com-Pac Handbook

[dusty]

go up to a boat shop and let them cut you a couple of inches off a couple of different sizes of line. take it out to the parking lot and give it a shot. that's what i'd do anyway, then maybe you have a better size that what someone might recommend.

[B.Hart]

 I believe the lines on mine are 1/4 inch or 5/16 inch. The 3/8 sounds too big.

[sawyer]

I have some photos I can send you, but I am lousy at posting them, but it looks like I may have gotten a couple on this site on page two of this post.........................                 Doug

[sawyer]

The one on the right is the main and the one on the left over the compass is the jib.



Mainsheet tied off on right, up thru pully on boom, back down to pully on left, back up to boom and down to the mainsheet cam cleat.......... Hope you can see it..  Also Genoa and Jib cleat on track with blue sheet thru it set all way back........

Hope these post all right
Doug

[sawyer]

Dusty,     Thanks much..............   As noted in my previous post, I struggle with posting the photos, and the language description you posted was Greek to me. Good job, hope it works for the Boss......................   Weekend off coming  up, hotter than blazes here, maybe I'll get out tomorrow before the big weekend traffic..............                                                Doug