original (striped) jib

[kickingbug1]

   my 81 cp16 came with two jibs. the small one, a 110 i think and a much larger striped jib, im thinking a 135 as it goes pretty far astern of the mast. i rigged the boat in the driveway yesterday to try a new furler idea and found that it had its best shape with the jib sheet cleated to the camcleat which is just forward of the stern cleat. im i correct in this?

[JTMeissner]

kickingbug, is it about the size of the one in my profile? Or like this:


Laid out in the driveway, I measured as such: 141" (11'9") in luff and leech, with a 118" (9'10") foot.  I suppose one day I should measure the LP and find out what % this sail is (or calculate, if I ever feel up to doing the geometry).


In any case, I route the sheets outside the shrouds, throughout the middle of the stern cleats, back to a jam cleat on the coaming. In this photo, the sheet runs through the cleat behind me and then to the jam cleat behind my elbow (no better photos at present).  This is my guess at rigging the larger sail since the "teeth" of the jam cleat indicate the line being stopped from pulling aft.


HTH,
Justin

[kickingbug1]

hey justin, yeah mine is the same except blue and white. i never thought about running the sheet though the stern cleat first but now that you mention it, that seems to be the best way and what hutchins intended. thanks a lot buddy. im gonna use the sail for light air days this coming spring. and with the alterations i made to my furler i can now change sails while rigged.    fairwinds calm seas and some warm weather soon

[deisher6]

Hey Justin:
Given sides of 11.75, 11.75, and 9.83 ft.
The area of your jib is about 52.46 sqft. 
If you are interested.

regards charlie

[kickingbug1]

    hey justin i was wondering how your boat sails to windward with red and white sail?

[JTMeissner]

Kick, I think the sail works well, and there is no comparison in light winds; it just catches so much more air.  I've been overpowered with it, but unless the forecast calls for >15 mph winds, I'm likely to rig it first.  It's not the same fabric as my other sails, more like spinnaker weight.  It's very old too, so probably more stretchy than it should be.  Even without winches, it can be "cranked" down tight, and will allow me to point about as well as the regular jib. 

Couldn't find many shots using it to windward:

[JBC]

To check out an interesting story on sailing a ComPac 16, Google The Sailboat Company (North Carolina Sailboats) and on the home page menu on the left, scroll down to one of the short stories, entitled "Sweet 16."  The piece has savvy advice on sailing a 16, especially one with a genoa.  Keith has sailed and sold a lot of ComPacs over the years!

[kickingbug1]

    jason and jb thanks for the info

[JTMeissner]

Kick, found some photos of what might be a similar setup for you while trying to answer another post.  Sweet Laraine has a set of cam cleats forward of the stern cleats and the sails were rigged outside the shroud to them.



This shot shows I have no cams near the stern, just the cleats on the coaming which is why I rig as I do.

[Spartan]

Here's a picture of the CP-16 I owned in the early 1990's.

It's not the best picture but is does show where the cam cleat for the genoa was mounted.  It was set up this way from the previous owner.



I picked up a used genoa this winter, after I confirm it will work on a MK1 I will have to figure out a setup for myself.

Tom

[nies]

I put a tract on each side ,on top, of coaming with a moveable clam cleat..................for a genoa on my boat the usual setting is about a foot ahead of the cleat in your picture...........being able to move the setting is important if using a spin....................it was a challenge to bend tract to curve of coaming, bur with little at a time when attaching was able to get a nice curve.....nies

[kickingbug1]

i tried rigging the genoa in my driveway using the cam cleat near the stern cleat. jt was right the jib sheet does go around the stern cleat and then through the camcleat. the sail seemed to have a perfect shape using this method. thanks again jt. now all i need is good weather to try it.

[JBC]

To me, arranging the genoa sheets as JT and Kickingbug describe leads to an awkward angle at the helm.  The skipper is pulling forward (and out, away from the cockpit, right?) in order to trim the sail.  Would be fine in most conditions, but in a stout wind, sailing singlehanded, this might be tricky.  

I remember that an older ComPac 16 than the one I currently sail had a stern cleat and angled cam cleat as you guys describe.  I wondered then about the angle on those cams...now at least, I see what you've figured out, and it makes sense.  At the least, I would think that adding a block tied with a line on each of the stern cleats, and running the sheets through those, might make it easier for sheet control.    

That's why I like the rail and swivel cam/bulls eye arrangement.  Not only can the sheet angle to the sail be adjusted, by moving the cam forward or backward, but the end of the sheet is aimed more directly toward the helmsman at all times, making it much easier to pull or release quickly.

I found a couple of pics for a 1980 16 that has a variation on my idea for using blocks.  http://sailingtexas.com/201101/scompac16206.html


Jett

[kickingbug1]

 no actually you are pulling into the cockpit so it should work pretty well.

[JBC]

Thanks for the clarification.  Couldn't remember exactly how the cam was set up at the stern of the boat.