135% Genoa

[patriot]

Hello everyone. I have a 16/1 (no bowsprit) and am about to order a new 135% genoa and was wondering if the foot would be too long to use the existing cam cleats on the cabin top, or if it will require installing a genoa track further aft outside the cockpit coaming. I have seen other posts where those with a 150% needed a track but am not sure about the 135%. Anyone else out there with a 135% genoa.

Thanks!

[skip1930]

Measure the sail [135%] and the boat. 135% means 35% past the mast heading toward the stern.

I'd bolt on some tracks because the tac usually slides as to sail shapes desired.
The sheet usually does well when pointing toward the center of the sail, and the center of the sail moves around with sail shape.

Use sail tell tails to see the wind driving the sails. They do well when plastered against the sail cloth, straight horizontal.
I use two sets, just off the mast, top, middle, bottom. And closer to the trailing edge. On both sails.

skip.

[JBC]

Several years ago I owned a Compac I that had been rigged by the PO with a furler and a 135% genny.  No bowsprit.  The clew of that sail reached slightly beyond the original jib cleats, mounted on the coamings (not cabin top).  Not sure why the PO didn't adjust those cleats by installing a track/rail, but I wound up doing so (on the cheap, having found short rails, about 1' long with blocks at a used sailboat gear store).  I mounted them, not outside the coamings but on top, about 1/3 of the way astern from the position of the original cleats.  Worked much better. 

[Salty19]

Yeah, the 135% will need tracks to get the right foot tension. Where the jib cleats are located, the foot will be too loose and leach too tight.

[patriot]

Thanks everyone for the assistance.

[mikew]

I own a 1983 CP-16/1 with bow spirit. The boat came with a genoa ( not sure %, sails put away) and working jib. The boat has a separate set of fixed cam cleats for the genoa. They are the same type as the working jib and  are mounted about 6" forward of the stern cleats, on about a 45 Deg. angle.
This is the same flat mounting area as the cleats are mounted on, but forward of them, and the area is just before the coaming rises up.

Mike   

[kickingbug1]

    i have the same cam cleats on mine near the stern cleats---always wondered what they were for

[JBC]

I have the track mounted swivel cam cleats with bulls eye on my ComPac III.  Work great in principle, especially with my furler, as I can change sheet angles quickly and easily after reefing the sail (yes, I sail it partially furled sometimes, and it works pretty well).  However, I'm giving thought to beefing up the rig, as the original equipment is too light in my opinion.  Even though I fly a 110% jib on a furler, I find it hard sometimes to cleat off the sheet after tacking in a stiff breeze (the kind, however, that makes the ComPac 16 come alive and a fun boat to sail).  The cam not only swivels, but it also has quite a bit of "play" too, making it tricky to cleat a sheet, especially when sailing by myself.  So, after noticing some light under the track where the cam is usually positioned, I realized that it's under quite a bit of pressure and several screws are beginning to pull out.  I plan replace with oversized rails/cams before the coming sailing season. 

At 70, I'm more interested these days in mounting hardware on the rails, than riding them!

Jett

[patriot]

Excellent info folks. I appreciate it. I usually sail a 40 footer and it has been a while since I sailed a small boat hence the questions.

While we are on the topic of sails, I am also looking at buying a new loose footed main with slugs rather than bolt rope for the mast. Does anyone know what size slugs are needed? I have seen both 3/8" and 5/16" referenced in the forum but not sure what we need for the older 16/1.