cp23 as a blue water boat??

[shamblin]

sailors,

what are the pros and cons of the cp23 for blue water sailing, such as mobile to key west - straight across the gulf. what would this particular boat need for blue water capability besides, lifelines/stancions, a tiller pilot, ?  the cockpit is big and if filled could threaten the boat unless the footwell was possibly dealt with?

i have only done coastal sailing in the cp23, fearing sea sickness, but im rethinking.


bill in nc

[HideAway]

No way --  The 23 was never intended for blue water as you described.   It does make a great coastal cruiser though.   Its real strength is in the trailer.  M

[Bob23]

   I would tend to agree. However, much smaller boats have made transatlantic crossings. I remember reading an article by Dave Martin who sailed all over the place with his family. One modification he made was to glass in foam blocks in the cockpit to make it as small as possible. If our 23's cockpit were to fill, well, in short, that would be the end.
   I believe the 23 could be modified to make an ok bluewater boat. But not dark blue! And the mods would be extensive. Better to buy a boat designed for bluewater. How about a nice Flicka?
bob23

[NateD]

As others have said, it's not a blue water boat. I don't think I would want to be more than 12 hours from shore, so at 5mph, that's 60 miles. If the weather forecast is very good and stable, maybe 24 hours. So you could do something like Mobile->Clearwater on a good weather window, then Clearwater->Key West, which would keep you within spitting distance of shore.

[Billy]

Allowing good weather, I don't see any problems crossing the gulf stream into the bahama's or from central Florida down to the keys.again, that's with good weather. But I wouldn't go out much further.

[HideAway]

I agree with Bob23 - a Flicka would be a much better choice - When you see our 23 next to a Flicker there is no question-  HideAway looks like a toy next to the Flicker in our club.  Two great boats made for  different purposes  M

[Bob23]

   They are boat great looking boats, sharing that great sheerline. There's a Flicka on the hard in a local marina. Been there for 4 or 5 years. I drive by regularly hoping to meet the owner. I hope she's never for sale because I'd be mighty tempted. But for my kind of sailing, even my 23 is a bit large.
   Just keepin' the dream alive, Bob23

[brackish]

Thinking about that trip in my 23, but not straight across from Mobile.  Intercoastal to St. Andrews inlet, then outside to St. Joe Bay., then back out from the bay around Cape San Blas along St George island then straight across the Big Bend, maybe to Cedar Key, then down the coast, outside or intercoastal, depending on anchorages, resupply needs, stuff to see and do, etc.

I may be a year or two away from that one but it's on the list.

Yes there are better choices for offshore, but that direct trip could be made safely with a properly prepared 23.  Just not sure I would want to do it.

[peterg]

There is no such thing as a blue water boat- only blue water sailors. A poor and ill prepared sailor in a Valiant 40 or Pacific Seacraft Crealock 37 could screw up in a mud puddle, whereas a well grounded and very experienced sailor (like the Martins on their 25 footer) can sail the world. Experience and preparation go way farther than the best blue water boat, of which there are many choices.

[mrtoad]

----- Original Message -----
From: "fmt871" <fmt871@yahoo.com>
To: <com-pac@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2012 7:34 AM
Subject: [com-pac] Bahamas Trip

> Hello, group
> I am happy to report I just returned from two weeks sailing trip to
> Bahamas in Compac 19: Key Largo --> Bimini --> Great Isaac island --> NW
> channel --> Morgan Bluff, Andros --> Fresh Creek, Andros --> Big Wood Cay,
> Andros --> crossed Andros East/West via South Bight --> crossed Santaren
> Channel --> Cay Sal Bank (Anguilla cays --> Damas Cays --> Dog Rocks)-->
> Key Largo. Here is vieo report (sorry, comments in video are in Russian
> for my Russian friends :-)):
> Bahamas trip May 2012 part 1 - http://youtu.be/L7BB2pu76XA
> Bahamas trip May 2012 part 2 - http://youtu.be/EJQsljYVJ0o
> Bahamas trip May 2012 part 3 - http://youtu.be/mecBPLolJhc
> Bahamas trip May 2012 part 4 - http://youtu.be/c3RwTdra6dI
> Bahamas trip May 2012 part 5 - http://youtu.be/jD3sbxa1vI0
> Regards,
> Fedor

mr toad

[pdx23p]

Hats off to MrToad! Thanks for posting the videos, congratulations on your trip.

[mrtoad]

bill, i wish this had been by trip
but
this is from - - -  "fmt871" <fmt871@yahoo.com> - - -


mr toad

[shamblin]

thanks much, amigos.    i am enjoying mr. toad's trip. 

bill in nc

[maynard]

Great trip Mr Toad! Just got back myself from five weeks in the Abaco's aboard a C 23 and it was
way better than I had hoped.  As to the blue water boat question, yes I'd agree of first
importance is the Skipper's ability. My tolerance would be two days sail away from a safe anchorage
while going full tilt with sails and motor all the while. All six foot waves aren't created equal, some
can be alarming aboard a somewhat tippy 23 footer.