cp23 Sales Brochure

[Spartan]

I didn't see on posted on the board so thought I'd post

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[Salty19]

Green mentioned his was the brochure boat...I bet that's Wrinkles!!

[Bob23]

Isn't Wrinkles a 23/3?
bob23

[Greene]

Good memory Bob.  Wrinkles was the poster girl for the 23/3 version.  I have a couple of the brochures at home, but here is her pic from the brochure.



Mike

[Salty19]

Ah, yes, she is a 23/3...ooops!!!

[gfspencer]

Good memory Bob.  Wrinkles was the poster girl for the 23/3 version.  I have a couple of the brochures at home, but here is her pic from the brochure.



Mike

That has always been my favorite photo of a Com-Pac 23/3.

[Greene]

I think it is funny that they used a picture that shows the pilot already shoving the tiller to windward to reduce the heel.  You would think they would have used one where he was still bravely grabbing all the wind he could.  I know one thing, that is as far as my lovely Admiral will let me heel a boat before I hear "That is far enough Mike!"

Mike

[wes]

At that level of heel my lovely Admiral would be incapable of speech. She would either be diving headfirst into the cabin, or curled up in the fetal position on the cockpit sole. We've still got some work to do in the  fear/anxiety department. She is worth it, though. If I ever forget how much she's worth it, she reminds me.

Wes

[jthatcher]

it is comforting to know that  I am not the only one dealing with some anxiety on board.    it seems to me that the level of anxiety increases as the square of the  degree of  heel..  in other words.  it does not take a lot of heel to induce considerable anxiety in the cockpit.    what i am hoping, however, is that a new year will bring about a change..  with a summer's experience behind us,  perhaps my lovely wife will take heeling a little more in stride..  and - the flip side -  maybe i will act a little more maturely and correct the angle  a little sooner     jt

[brackish]

There are several approaches to gaining the admirals confidence in the cockpit:

1. Go into an elaborate explanation of initial stability and ultimate stability along with charts, graphs, hull form diagrams, calculations and definitions.  If this doesn't gain her confidence it will at least put her to sleep and you can continue your sail.

2. Take her out overpowered and induce a knockdown so she will see the boat has the ability to recover from it.  This one is a little tricky, will either be a complete cure or might cause you to spend some time in divorce court.

JT, terms such as the "flip side" should probably not be used on the boat.

[Tim Gardner]

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[jthatcher]

yup, poor choice of phrase!     in the interest of harmony, i guess i will just ease the mainsheet a bit...   i love the challenge of sailing solo, but it is a lot more fun with my lovely wife along!   jt

[Greene]

I still don't enjoy a major amount of heel, but I'm getting much better.  The thing that has helped alleviate most of my fears has simply been to take the tiller.  From the beginning Mike and I believed it was necessary, for comfort and safety, for both of us to be able to sail the boat.  We split the time at the helm fairly evenly.  It has made all the difference in the world for me.  I know why the boat acts the way it does and what I can do to control the motion.  Once I knew how a sailboat really worked and how easily corrections could be made, I relaxed. 

Thank you, Mike, for encouraging (OK - gently nudging) me to step out of my comfort zone and take the tiller.  I am a much happier sailor as a result.

Still not a fan of 20 degree or more heeling -

Brenda

[NateD]

I got lucky in that my wife is pretty adventurous, but what finally gave us both total confidence in the boat was pushing it as hard as we could to see what would happen. It was a very gusty day, we put on our life jackets and from the start we took the attitude of "Let's try to flip the boat, it will be fun." I learned to sail on a Sunfish in the Boy Scouts, and if we didn't flip it at least once an hour, we weren't having fun. Of course rolling a CP23 wouldn't be as fun, but it probably wouldn't be the end of the world either. So we went out with too much sail up, and I tried not to feather into the gusts, instead letting them heel us as far as the boat would go. What we found was that the boat only heeled so far before it would either  slip sideways or turn up into the wind on its own. We kept the mood light, whooping and hollerin' when the gusts hit, and it did get the adrenaline going, but there is now no fear.

When I take inexperienced people out for day sails, I tell them it is physically impossible to flip the boat over, even though it might feel like it is about to roll. It helps their anxiety some, but I don't think anyone believes it in their gut. The only way to believe it is to try and flip it and find that it can't be done. (Well, it can happen, but it would likely take a combination of breaking waves and wind to do it to a 23).

[Bob23]

   While I always thought that the brochures photo showed slight excessive heel, I've always like the shot. Two happy sailers aboard a fine 23!
   I don't have to worry about the Admirals concern for heel- she simply doesn't sail with me! I enjoy the 23's tendency to heel. They feel just about right with 10-15 degrees, don't you think?
20 is too much and the boats performance suffers as well as being a bit uncomfortable.
   I suppose one could capsize when hit by a squall and if the cockpit were to fill with water due to being pooped, things could go from bad to worse pretty quick. After being hit by a squally-type gust, I had the mast over about 45 degrees once and it was not fun. But she assured me all was well with her tendency to round up and we stayed dry. It's nice to know that between the 45% ballast and her plain old seaworthy design, it's a safe boat.
   Love JT's "flip side". Sounds like a good boat name.
bob23