Are you looking for a 19?

[Greene]

Nice looking 19 with nice upgrades at a low price.  If I didn't already have one I'd be on the road to get this one.  Check out the starboard side galley.

http://www.boattrader.com/listing/1987-Hutchinsons-Com-Pac-97914666

[Billy]

Oh man oh man thats right down the street!!!!, I already have one too but........

[Greene]

Now I did it.  The Admiral saw these pics of the side galley and started talking about how nice it would be to do this to our 19.  "What kind of little one burner stove would fit?"  "Could we put in a slide out table/cutting board?"   "Maybe make it about a foot shorter on the bow end so there would still be a place to sit on the starboard side."  "Could we put partitions inside it to organize things?" 

Spring is starting to look really, really busy.

Mike

[kickingbug1]

    hahaah see what happens when you let her look over your shoulder. hey if i didnt trailer sail solo so much and had a bigger garage and more money and less old trucks and etc etc etc. i would make a trip south. i just realized that there might be more 19s at the rendezvous than 16s. get to work and make brenda happy

[Salty19]

That looks like a nice one and for a good price.  Of course you never know 'till you look at it.

Mike, yours and B's ideas sound like a fun and worthwhile project.

[Billy]

Does anybody sleep In the v birth? My wife and I tried. A little too cramped. Which leads me to were would the second or third peron sleep?

[Greene]

Salty - B and I tend to use the boat more for overnight sailing than for daysailing, so a simple galley would really be handy.  Here is a picture of another 19 galley from an earlier thread.



Billy -  B and I sleep in the V berth.  We found that if we sleep with our heads toward the bow we actually fit pretty well.  I'm in the 6' 2" 250 lb. range, so most people should fit pretty easily.  We didn't find sleeping feet to bow to be comfortable at all.  I was thinking that by replacing one side berth with a galley I could extend the V berth a couple feet on the same side.  For example in the picture above, move the galley aft 18" or so and then fill in that opening flush with the V berth.  This would make the V berth even more comfortable.  One thing for sure is that we will be adding a 2" mattress pad to the V berth cushions.  The factory cushions just aren't all that comfortable.

Port vs. starboard galley?  Any preferences?

Mike

[Salty19]

I kinda like the port side as shown in the above pic.  But that's only because I tend to move starboard in the cabin and sit to starboard.  So does the admiral.

Weight distribution wise it's probably best to mount this to starboard, to offset the engine weight.

What about a complete pull out galley, mounted to the lower deck under the cockpit?  Could be a good balance of space savings and little loss of sitting space??

[Billy]

Green,
Thanks, didn't think about putting our heads towards the bow, seemed kinda closterphobic. but we'll try. Yea, our feet forward didn't work too well.

And I agree w/ Salty. Gotta have it to starboard to offset the engine, and 75% of the time I am sitting to starboard just beacuse of the mainsheet. I try to keep most if not all my gear on that side.

Now I think I may have to convert one of the 1/4 births to a galley. And again agree w/ Salty on the slide out under the cockpit, arn't the 23s like that?

[brackish]

Now I think I may have to convert one of the 1/4 births to a galley. And again agree w/ Salty on the slide out under the cockpit, arn't the 23s like that?

Yes the newer 23's are like that and I don't care for it all that much, particularly on the sink side.  What I've found is that if you use hose for your supply and discharge that are heavy enough for piece of mind, the unit does not slide well because the hose will not flex easily, particularly in cold weather.  It also breaks off tailpiece fittings.  If you use hose light enough to flex, such as the typical corrugated discharge hose, flexing it will cause it to crack in places and leak.  

The problem with using an entire side for a galley is that you end up losing the back part of the quarter berth because it is blocked off.

My ultimate plan for my 23 is this (from a cape dory 22).  Most of my overnight is in spring and fall, when I'm cooking below.  In the hottest part of the summer, I cook in the cockpit. I really want a cold food locker that does not block the companionway when it is in use.  In the 23 it will still leave berths that are long enough to sleep in.



Matt (Hideaway) is right in that it would be better to leave those side cabinets in the 23 out.  More roll over room for sleeping and there is plenty of room on the shelf above and by putting drawers in the space below the companionway steps once you are not using it for an icebox.  The only reason I haven't gone forward with the galley project is that I just hate to tear into well done cabinet work that is existing.  I probably would have been better off to buy an older shell boat and fix it the way I want it.

[Greene]

I agree that a side galley could block off access to the aft end of the berth if the galley is built like the examples above.  I was thinking of making one that is only about as tall as the V berth.  When I am in the cabin of a 19 I can only kneel, so the taller galley would actually be too tall for convenience.  The other reason I'm considering a lower galley is to provide a platform or support for another cushion to extend the end of the V berth at night.  I would have to put a shallow sink on the aft end of the countertop to accomplish this, but it would allow easy access to the aft end of the original side berth.  I am not planning on a great big storage tank for the waste and we would still just use bottled water for the water supply.  For a weekend cruiser the simpler the better.

I'll try to draw something up and post it for some input.  I'm starting to think this should be in a separate thread.

Mike

[Salty19]

For a weekend, why not bring your own water/soap to drink, cook and wash with.  There would be no concerns over hose leaks, winterizing or maintaining the system or the water becoming nasty over time.  Less cost and none of the interference issues Brackish mentioned.  You would have to worry about the stability of the portable container.  I vote for several half or 1 gallon milk jugs in a cooler (easy to pour, refill, and leaks are kept confined).

Now a stove and a well thought out storage area sounds real good to me.  Room for plates, cups, paper towels, utensils and cooking tools, soap, sponge, pot/pan, bottle opener, stove fuel, cutting board and other odds and ends would be really cool.   We have these type of items in a rubbermaid storage bin which seems to work for us, granted we just go out for less than a day at a time. Some of the other items like sunscreen, bug spray, flashlights, flares, sail ties, etc can be hung from the cabin battons in bags out of the way but within reach.