Boom Vang mounting deck plate and bails

[Salty19]

As promised, and to give Greene a reason to spend money, here it the parts list I came up with intended for a CP19. All purchased from defender.com

ITEM            Description                      Qty   Price-Each    Backorder


614828          HARKEN 40MM CARBO FIDL,CAM,BKT    1      $79.05          0
614825          HARKEN 40MM CARBO FIDDLE BLOCK    1      $29.21          0
000205014WHRD   SAMSON XLS EXTRA T 1/4" PER FT   28       $0.77          0
614698          ROLLING BAIL  2.75x3.8"           1      $25.99          0
603412          SCHAEFER FORGED BAIL- ROUND       1      $35.99          0


Note I took a small risk on measurement clearance, and have yet to test fit, the "rolling bail" part so do not hang me if it doesn't fit well.  All other items look to be "just right".  Note the blocks are not huge which I kinda like.
Also note that it costs $25 or so for a rigging shop to splice the line to the becket and you'll need to buy hardware (screws for the boom bail, longer mast bolt and spacers).

Another note there is 28 feet of line listed here.  This is probably a little too much, but one can always reduce the size once fit, tested, etc.  Better too much than not enough.

[rip]

Another great case of explanations and pictures to teach me how to do things I never did before. I just wish the weather was such that I could start putting together and installing all the nifty stuff i am learning about vangs and furlers and all the hardware used to install them. My memory is such that by Spring I will have forgotten everything. Thank goodness for Bookmarks!

[kickingbug1]

    with all this talk of boom vangs, i have removed mine from my 16 and find little or no difference in its sailing performance. maybe someone can enlighten me as to it proper use. my understanding is that it only helps on a beam reach. i took mine off mainly to simply rigging.

[Shawn]

Pretty good write up here:

http://www.andrews.com/kysc/bt/boomvang.htm

Will probably add a vang to my 23 this year. Anybody know if the bail sizes listed above will also work for the 23?

Thanks,

Shawn

[RCAN]

Shawn,

Thank you very much for that link. I have bookmarked it and will hopefully find that website very useful in the future.

In regards to the boom vang, I wondered the same thing about its usefulness, being fairly new to boating other than basic sailing. This was very informative and I may find after some time and experience, that I may want to improve my boat's performance with this addition to its rigging.

Thank you very much for helping me increase my knowledge.

Robert

[Salty19]

Shawn,

The blocks and line will probably work out fine. However the bails shown above are the right size for a 19.  Measure your mast and boom dimensions, then go to defender.com and search for the word "bail".  They come in many sizes, just match up what you feel will fit with your dimensions. I bet the ones above will be too small, but really do not know.

[esterhazyinoz]

Hello

I built my Boom Vang from scratch because I wanted it exactly my way. 

Here is the goose neck that fits in the mast slide.
I just put her in storage but I'll get you some more photos and a materials list with sources and costs.
I also incorporated a Boomkicker.

You can see more photos of my CP23 at my  PhotoBucket page http://s826.photobucket.com/home/mss-cp23/index
http://s826.photobucket.com/home/mss-cp23/index

MSS

Did you use aluminium or stainless steel for your goose neck?

[brackish]

Pretty good write up here:

http://www.andrews.com/kysc/bt/boomvang.htm

Will probably add a vang to my 23 this year. Anybody know if the bail sizes listed above will also work for the 23?

Thanks,

Shawn

Shawn,

Missed this one first time around.

The rolling bail is a 3.25" X 4.5"  Defender number 614701.  
Used a Schaefer boom bail, stamped SS 1-3/4" X 3-1/2", Defender number 603405.

I used Lewmar 50mm syncro blocks for the vang
29925031 fiddle and 29925039 fiddle, becket, cam. Defender numbers 614742 and 614744 respectively.  I think those numbers included snap shackles on the blocks.  

Used 1/4" low stretch double braid for the line, which is what is optimal for those size syncro blocks.  Did the eyesplice myself, had to learn sometime.

I would shop Gaurhauer direct for the blocks, may get a better price for an equivilent set of blocks.  For comparison sake, the two blocks cost $65 total about a year ago.  Rolling bail was $34 and the boom bail was $11.

[Salty19]

MSS--that is one sweet mast fitting.  Nice work!

[Shawn]

Brackish,

Thanks for the part numbers. Ordered the bails from Defender,  I already have the blocks as I use a vang (with 100' of line) to raise/lower the mast. Also got the hardware for the boom to support a second reef point and to be able to go up to a 6:1 outhaul for the loose footed main. Can start those projects early which is nice.

Thanks,

Shawn

[Salty19]

6:1 outhaul?   Should be able to trim it with a pinky!!

[Shawn]

The 6:1 may be a little overkill but since I'll be loose footed the easier I make it to adjust the outhaul the more often I will adjust it. I might move the cleat more forward on the boom so it is easier to adjust when heading downwind.

If 6:1 ends up being too much I can always use less blocks to lower the ratio.

Shawn

[brackish]

The 6:1 may be a little overkill but since I'll be loose footed the easier I make it to adjust the outhaul the more often I will adjust it. I might move the cleat more forward on the boom so it is easier to adjust when heading downwind.

If 6:1 ends up being too much I can always use less blocks to lower the ratio.

Shawn

Report with pictures when you get it going.  I recently set mine up 4:1 using my existing main, but haven't tried it loose footed yet.  Even at 4:1 it gets a little crowded back there.  Are you using a cheek block on the boom?

[Shawn]

I will report on how it works out.

For the blocks I will be using Harken triple (Defender 604862) on the sail and a triple with becket (Defender 604863) on the end of the boom.

I am adding another cheek block on the boom but that is for the second reef point.

If you haven't tried loose footed give it a shot. I sailed that way all last season with my old main and thought it was a nice improvement. With the 2:1 in high winds it was a little difficult to adjust.

Can't wait to see how the new main works out next season.

Shawn

[Shawn]

Roughly how far back on the boom does everyone like having the boom bail? I know its position is a bit of a trade off between up/down wind performance. I don't want it as far back as the cockpit so there isn't an issue with the bimini.

Thanks,

Shawn