CP 16 boom vang?

[idouglas]

It's getting cold and snowy here in MA so of course I'm thinking about next summer's upgrades for my 1994 CP16/III/XL!

Does anybody have any experience with the Dwyer DK301 boom vang for boats up to 22'?  I believe Dwyer makes our masts so it should fit.  And the cost is right, $89 with all fittings.  Check it out at:

http://www.dwyermast.com/items.asp?cat1ID=50&cat1Name=Rigging&familyID=12&familyName=Boom+Vangs

Anyone have info on how you have added a boom vang to your CP16?  Seems like a worthwhile upgrade.

Thanks,

idouglas

[curtisv]

idouglas,

I don't have experience with that particular boom vang or with a CP16 but I have a boom vang on my CP23.  I think its a Schaefer.  It helps sailing downwind to keep the sail from riding up and helps some to flatten sail when sailing to windward.

Looks like it from a strength standpoint it would be fine for a CP16 and OK for a CP19 based on the description on Dwyer's web page.

In the web photo it looks like neither of the blocks has a cam cleat which would be a big negative.  You should call Dwyer and confirm that before ordering.  If no cam cleat its not a great deal.  A number of people simply bought blocks themselves and saved relative to the Schaefer or Ronstan kits by not using quick release snap shackles on both ends.  The blocks with cam cleat and the snap shackles are what drive up the cost of the kits.

If you decide to build your own, ;ook on the schaefer or ronstan web page at the small blocks with about 500-600 SWL.  Pick out a single with becket and cam cleat and a single.  Then get some line and a few sturdy padeyes and you have a boom vang.  If you get blocks with snap shackles it will drive the cost up and the kits have that at a slight discout.  Then call Defender industries (best prices on blocks that I've found) and order even if the part is not listed in the catalog.  For Schaefer and Ronstan they probably will not tack on any special order fee since they regularly order from these guys.  Defender will sell you anything Schaefer, Ronstan, or Harken makes even if it is not listed in their catalog.  They also special order from other companies such as Ancor.

You can rivet the vang plate to the boom and the eyestrap to the mast base.  It would be better to through bolt the padeye(s) if you can but it is hard to get an nyloc nut inside the boom.  You can't do it without removing the gooseneck and the riveting it back on.  I don't remember if I riveted or bolted to the boom but mine is holding so rivet is probably good enough.

It's getting cold and snowy here in MA so of course I'm thinking about next summer's upgrades for my 1994 CP16/III/XL!

Does anybody have any experience with the Dwyer DK301 boom vang for boats up to 22'?  I believe Dwyer makes our masts so it should fit.  And the cost is right, $89 with all fittings.  Check it out at:

http://www.dwyermast.com/items.asp?cat1ID=50&cat1Name=Rigging&familyID=12&familyName=Boom+Vangs

Anyone have info on how you have added a boom vang to your CP16?  Seems like a worthwhile upgrade.

Thanks,

idouglas

btw - where in MA do you sail.  Not much in your profile on that.

Curtis

[idouglas]

Thanks Curtis.

Lots of good info to think about over the cold winter months.  I appreciate all the advice.

We sail around Nantucket Sound and the Vineyard.  We had an Irwin 27 for 15 years or so and traded down at the end of the summer of 2006.  Moving down fit our family well, more sailing and less expense (the kids also picked up a Hobie 16 with the proceeds from the sale of the Irwin.) Two boats and more sailing for the price and work of one.

Thanks again,

idouglas

[curtisv]

idouglas,

We sail around Nantucket Sound and the Vineyard.

We mostly just daysail in Pleasant Bay these days.  Its been a few years since I've been to Nantucket and the Vineyard.  I'll let you know next season if we have anything planned.  Nantucket is too far for a day sail and now that I'm "unretired" its more difficult to take a few weeks off and sail on a whim.

Hope to see you out there some time.

Curtis

[idouglas]

Curtis:

We mainly sail around the Elisabeth Islands, Woods Hole, Falmouth and the Vineyard.  Nantucket is too far for a short hop.

Let me know next summer if you are heading our way.

idouglas

[curtisv]

Curtis:

We mainly sail around the Elisabeth Islands, Woods Hole, Falmouth and the Vineyard.  Nantucket is too far for a short hop.

Let me know next summer if you are heading our way.

idouglas

idouglas, Will do. I've wanted to visit Cuttyhunk Island.  Vineyard Haven is a good two day sail for me with an overnight stop at Nantucket.  Sounds like a good half way point.  Last time I was there was in 2003 and this may not be a good year for me, but if I make it out there I'll let you know. Curtis ps - last visit to Vineyard Haven: http://www.faster-light.net/remote-access/narrative-2003-08.html

[idouglas]

Curtis:

Great pictures and narrative.  Thanks.  Many familiar places.

Remote Access looks great.  She gives me sevenfootitis.  But having traded down from the Irwin 27, I think I'll continue to enjoy my CP16/III/XL.

idouglas

[idouglas]

Curtis:

I followed your advice and checked out the ronstan blocks, including one with a cam cleat.  I then went over to Defender to check prices as suggested.

Low and behold, Defender had a ready made vang for boats under 18ft with the same blocks by ronstan.  And the best part was that Defender wants to clear them out, so the price is reduced from $52 to $38.  Check it out at:

http://www.defender.com/product2.jsp?path=-1|118|319697|311639|2611|311629&id=2594

A better rig at a better price then when I began with Dwyer, thanks to your suggestions. 

Now all I need is the mounting hardware. 

Thanks for all the help.

idouglas

[multimedia_smith]

You'll need a bail for the boom (preferably through bolted) and for the base, I used a nice swivel that is actually the lower mount for the "heavy duty" boomkicker.  I made the rest from West Marine parts... but I don't know how the price would compare.
Here are a couple of pics.

http://www.com-pacowners.com/gallery2/displayimage.php?album=49&pos=4

http://www.com-pacowners.com/gallery2/displayimage.php?album=49&pos=5

Went out this past week... GREAT! temps in the mid 50s and winds 15 - 18 out of the North... I love winter here!  Enjoy...
Dale

[idouglas]

Thanks Dale.

Most helpful.  So by your pics, the block with cam cleat goes on the boom end of the vang.  Does anyone ever mount it the other way around with the cam down by the mast foot?

Sure wish I was still sailing, but we have two feet of snow here in Massachusetts.  At least it will be a white Christmas.

idouglas

[idouglas]

One more question for anyone who has a boom vang? 

How far out from the mast did you mount the bail?

Thanks

idouglas

[B.Hart]

  Hi idouglas,  The bail on the boom on my boat is is 18 inches from the end. When I got my boat the hardware  was already on the mast step and boom, but no vang.  I also bought the blocks at west marine (don't remember the cost but it seems like it was too much) but I have not had a chance to try it out. On the mast step there is a hoop it attaches to. Hope this helps.   BILL

[idouglas]

Thanks Bill:  Most helpful. 

Any chance you can post a picture of the hoop on the mast step?  If you can not post it here, then can you send a picture to me at my email:  idouglas@eds.edu?   I'm thinking I might go the same way.

Thanks again.

idouglas

[multimedia_smith]

I placed the bail about 32" back from the gooseneck on my boom... there is a lot of force on it and you want to gain leverage and not put too much pressure on the boom. 
Also... you want the lower end of the vang to hinge precisely with the gooseneck so it won't loosen or worse, tighten as it pivots.
Best to Y'all
Dale

[idouglas]

Another question for anyone who can help?  What is the exact width of the boom/mast on a CP 16?  I need to buy a bail to mount my boom vang and I wonder if anyone can give me the needed dimensions.  My boat is under wraps for the winter and at some distance from where I am at the moment. 

Also, if anyone can give me the width of the tabernacle and the diameter of the holes on the tabernacle that would be most helpful too.  I'm thinking of mounting a second bail with a roller shackle on the top of tabernacle using the existing holes in order to attached the forward mast-end of the vang.  Any opinions on such a rig would also be welcome?

Thanks,

idouglas