So after a 10 mile sail this past weekend, I noticed my steering pulling to the left. After an inspection today...I found this:
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Before this happened the steering felt very tight, no play at all. Any hints on how to adjust the tension / play in the steering system?
Does this look like the original setup?
I'm hoping Allure2sail might have an extra steering bracket!!??
Also, after seeing this...what do people do for an emergency tiller setup? Does Com-Pac sell one?
Thanks!
Hey MonnentSurf:
Wow! Good thing it did not fail entirely. I wonder what caused the break. Do you lock your wheel when you are not using it?
Wes and I just went through the steering of our C-27's. He has cable and sheaves, and I have cables running through conduits. I could not tell from the pictures what you have. However judging from the number of zip ties your setup is original.
There are some pictures and notes on the C-27 section under my name.
Yes there is an emergency tiller available. I used it to hold my rudder centered while the wheel was centered and I tightened up the turnbuckles on the quadrant. I thought that I should have taken a picture of it then. I will later this week and post it.
Thanks for the post and pictures.
regards charlie
I think I have one in the garage...I will look for that and the rest of the shift bracket tomorrow (Tuesday).
Bruce
Bruce, Thanks for all the quick communications! I'm not sure if you're writing anything in you reply's to my Personal Messages...I'm only getting my original message copied back to me.
Ralph
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Hi:
Did not see any reason to not post answers on the website.
Bruce
Bruce...any luck finding the quadrant? Sorry to be a pest...I'm jonesing to sail...ha!
Hi:
Found the quadrant I'm going to clean it up and check for any cracks. I asked someone to send me a PDF file of the ComPac parts price list but have not received it yet. I usually get 50% of a replacement from Hutchens when I sell things off the parts boat. Still locking for the clamp for the shift bracket for someone. is it you? Found the bracket but not the clamp that holds the cable to the bracket (I assume that's what broke). Do you have a price sheet from ComPac?
Bruce
Funny thing, mine failed today! The collar on the shaft came loose causing the quadrant to drop. It would
only turn 1/4 each way and hit the water and fuel tank. I guess the set screw came loose through vibration. Re set it and used loctite. It happened I as we pulled out of the slip. Had it happened underway, would be a difficult fix, and emergency tiller would not help. André
Quote from: Allure2sail on August 17, 2014, 01:30:19 PM
Hi:
Found the quadrant I'm going to clean it up and check for any cracks. I asked someone to send me a PDF file of the ComPac parts price list but have not received it yet. I usually get 50% of a replacement from Hutchens when I sell things off the parts boat. Still locking for the clamp for the shift bracket for someone. is it you? Found the bracket but not the clamp that holds the cable to the bracket (I assume that's what broke). Do you have a price sheet from ComPac?
Bruce
GREAT! I'll call compac today about the parts list/price. For now, all I need is:
-transmission shift bracket (no need for the clamp)
-quadrant (most important!)
-Both ice box covers (if not rotted and stinky like mine)
How would I go about paying you? Paypal would be the best if you're signed up.
For future use...I called Com-pac, who directed me to Edson for all steering related parts.
The Quadrant is part # 676BR-8. 1.25" rudder post with .25" key on the main boady (which faces aft). It retails for about $450 - $550...depending on who you buy it from.
Bruce - $250 for the quadrant and shift bracket (and ice box covers if you have 'em)?
Hi Charlie:
I'll take a look at the ice box covers today and let you know their condition. Bracket off and quadant here. Have to check to see if it is the quadrant same as on my boat. Compac used a different pedestal on the parts boat, I think it is a Merimar. Should be the same but just want to check. I'll get back to you later today...honest !
Bruce
Hi:
Does you quadrant say EDSON New Bedford on it? What is the diamenter of the rudder shaft?
Bruce
Yes, its an Edson Quadrant. Ruder shaft is 1.25". Quadrant is an 8" radius.
I'll measure the shaft diameter on my good boat and the hole diameter on the quadrant off the parts boat in the morning. Rudder is long gone.
Bruce
Quote from: Allure2sail on August 19, 2014, 09:40:05 PM
I'll measure the shaft diameter on my good boat and the hole diameter on the quadrant off the parts boat in the morning. Rudder is long gone.
Bruce
Great...let me know if you need anything from me! I can get a check in the mail or a paypal payment to you today. Thanks again!!
Quadrant hole diameter is 1-1/4". Lids from ice box are gone (have no idea what happened to the). Perhaps they were nasty and I tossed them. I will get price on shipping.
Bruce
Trans bracket...was that you?
Bruce
Quote from: Allure2sail on August 20, 2014, 03:17:56 PM
Quadrant hole diameter is 1-1/4". Lids from ice box are gone (have no idea what happened to the). Perhaps they were nasty and I tossed them. I will get price on shipping.
Bruce
Great!! ...and yes, the trans bracket was me as well.
Hi:
Will box them up asap. I will send you my cell number by private email.
Bruce
I'll have tracking number for you tomorrow.
Bruce
Hi Ralph:
I don't have a last name to ship it....call me or email me a.s.a.p.
Bruce
Quote from: Allure2sail on August 22, 2014, 11:59:28 AM
Hi Ralph:
I don't have a last name to ship it....call me or email me a.s.a.p.
Bruce
I sent you an e-mail..Thanks!
Thanks Bruce!
Here is a pic of the cracked quadrant.
(http://i61.tinypic.com/2mg73m0.jpg)
Bruce - Yours seemed to be a bit beefier. I even had to run out and buy bigger bolts for it. Thanks again.
Hi Ralph:
The one on my boat looked exactly like the one I sent you. At least I now know I have the beefier version as well. I was thinking about the shift lever issue. Did someone reposition the lever so that it was horizontal and run the cable in vertical. Usually a shift lever like that is made to only go on one way. My two units are set up with the handle vertical....strange.
Bruce
Hey Bruce:
When I re installed the pedestal I hooked up the shift cable so that it worked backwards. Up on the pedestal lever was reverse, down was forward. Easy to do, I think that it had to do with the pivot point. It didn't take long to run it right.
Would be glad to send a picture if you would like.
regards charlie
Hey Charlie and Ralph:
Just dawned on me that the Edson and the other brand pedestal that ComPac has used (I think it's a Merimar) work differently. The Edson setup I think you push the shift lever up and down where as the other brand (which is on my usable boat works by pushing it forward or backward. Can't figure out if that makes any sense to Ralph. I have the Edson that came off the parts boat stored away (just in case).
Bruce
Here's a pic of the emergency tiller I made up. The rudder shaft already had a hole for the bolt. The aluminum tiller slips over the 1.25" rudder shaft and bolts on.
(http://i57.tinypic.com/2wfpaj6.jpg)
Also, heres a pic of my tranny setup. When I push my shift lever foward on the pedistal, it pushes the transmission lever foward (pictured) putting the boat into reverse.
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I'm thinking of either mounting the transmission lever pointing down. Maybe someone changed the prop setup?
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Hi:
Looked at the shift lever on the parts boat which had an Edson pedestal, the levers points up and in neutral it is at 12 o'clock. You said you push the shift lever forward and back if that's the case that is not an Edson set up. The Edson setups I believe is up and down to shift. My good boat has a forward and backward shift setup. I'm going to the boat shortly (leaving for the Vineyard tomorrow) and I'll look at my shift lever setup which is I believe a has a Merimar pedestal. Does anyone know if that's the correct brand name for those pedestals? Also I think the shift bracket I sent you looks different than the one in the picture.....I'm confused now. Did I send you the correct bracket?
Bruce
Bruce
Hi:
Something just dawned on my....does the boat have the correct prop? It should be a 10 x 9 or 10 x 8 RH prop. One boat has a 9 pitch and the other has a 8 pitch but they are both RH props. Have no idea why the pitch value is different. Let me know what you find for a prop spec. (should be stamped on the prop).
Bruce
The bracket you sent me was exactly the same. Not sure on the prop...that'll have to wait (although, by the label on the transmission and the way my boat shifts, I'm 99.9% it's a RH prop). My shift lever on the pedestal points up (12 o'clock) when in neutral also.
Weird, because I was thinking the boat originally came with a LH prop...that would make things right. Now you threw me for another loop.
So if the tranny linkage looks the same, and the prop is the same, it must have something to do with the pedestal.
I'm confused now LOL....
Does the sticker in the picture give you the correct movement of the boat when the lever on the trans is moved forward and backward? Sounds like you do not have an Edson setup.
Bruce
Hi;
Sent you a couple of emails, called your number and left a message. Do you still need those parts you asked about from the storm damage. Please let me know.
Bob
I do...sorry for the lack of repsonse. Dealing with the insurance company now. I'll get back to you soon. THANK YOU!
Good luck with the insurance company.
Bruce