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Anyone know of a dual axle trailer that would work for a 23?  If you know of one just PM me.  I am thinking about picking up an older (damaged) 23 that is available as a spring project.  I don't want to go the flatbed route, because I'll want to sell it with a trailer when I am done.

Thanks,
Mike

There was a Com-Pac dealer at the strictly sail show in Chicago. Rich Hutchings mentioned that the dealer (I want to say he was based out of Madison) had a used CP23 trailer available.

Thanks, I also talked to him at the show.  He wants $2K for that one.

Mike

Build a cradle for the boat and rent, buy or build a two axle flatbed trailer. Have the yard put the boat into the cradle.

We did this to get this boat to Sturgeon Bay from two states away. Here is the idea and the rig and the boat.

skip.

How would Greene be able to sell a rented trailer?  This is not a question of getting it one way, but rather a permanent home.

Mike, give champion trailer a call (I believe they are in Port Clinton or Catawba, OH).  Last time I cruised by there were several what appeared to be used trailers sitting around.  They may have one, or know where one is available.  Come to think of it, these trailers may have been "build me one just like this" type trailers since they looked kinda shabby. Not sure, but at least they might be able to help.

Thanks Salty.  I may have to find a pretty nice trailer.  I ran into an '88 that is in our price range that is anything but a fixer upper.  I believe I have a deal with the owner, so a trailer is needed pretty soon.  Didn't expect to find such a nice 23 at this price.

If this deal works out we'll be selling the 19.  Maybe if I have a 23 I could beat you in the 2012 Zig-Zag Around The Lake Race. 

Mike

Mike, if I was closer I would just lend you mine. What is this lust for 23's? By the way you guys always talked I thought the 19 had the faster bottom :)

Newt:
   I think they just got tired of seeing the transoms of the 23's as they were being passed.
   C'mon, Mike: Spring for a nice trailer! Think about it: If you were going out on a date with Ingrid Bergmen, do you think she'd want to driven around in a Ford Focus? No, she'd want a proper ride, beffitting such a lady. How do you think your 23 is gonna feel? If you want this lady to treat you right, you better keep her living in the manner to which she deserves! Nice trailer, new sails, total wax job so she shines, and gleaming teak. Hmm...I hope you're ready to take this step. This ain't no 19, brother!

bob23

Quote from: newt on February 02, 2012, 06:55:50 PM
Mike, if I was closer I would just lend you mine. What is this lust for 23's? By the way you guys always talked I thought the 19 had the faster bottom :)

Newt, B and I seem to spend a lot of nights at anchor and rarely go for just a day sail.  When the weather isn't cooperating we weren't comfortable sitting inside our 19 for any length of time.  If I was a 5' 10" guy it would probably be fine, but that is not the case.  For day sailing I think the 19 is hands down the better boat, unless you have a slip.  We are working our way toward an extended sailing sabbatical and we want to work our way up in boat size.  Still dreaming about a Pacific Seacraft.

No matter how big our boat gets, we will always be slow sailors.

Mike and B

    later mike and b purchase a 54 footer and spend the remainder of their lives sailing to exotic ports

I picked up a nice trailer today about 3 hours from our house.  Build a couple of bunks and it is ready to go.  Thanks for the ideas.


I've searched this site for 23 trailer setup dimensions without any luck.  Does any one have these 3 measurements?

Top of keel support to the center of the bow roller support (vertical)
Center of dual axles to the center of the bow roller (horizontal)
Width between keel guides
Center to center of bunks
Top of keel support to the top of the bunks

Mike

Quote from: Greene on February 04, 2012, 03:47:37 PM
I picked up a nice trailer today about 3 hours from our house.  Build a couple of bunks and it is ready to go.  Thanks for the ideas.


I've searched this site for 23 trailer setup dimensions without any luck.  Does any one have these 3 measurements?

Top of keel support to the center of the bow roller support (vertical)
Center of dual axles to the center of the bow roller (horizontal)
Width between keel guides
Center to center of bunks
Top of keel support to the top of the bunks

Mike

Mike, my trailer is sitting in the back yard with the boat off.  I'll measure tomorrow.  Pouring rain now.

That would be great.  I plan on working on it tomorrow.  No Packers in the Superbowl, so not too interested in watching that.

Mike

Just out of curiosity, how did you find a trailer? It seems like someone here is always trying to track one down.

Ok Here goes:

Top of keel support to the center of the bow roller support (vertical) - 20-5/8" to center,  21-3/4" to the top (support) point.  Note below on this
Center of dual axles to the center of the bow roller (horizontal) - 117-1/4"
the centerline between the two axles to center of the bolt that holds the chock is 142"
The vertical dimension to that same point from the top of the square tube where the post is mounted is 34-3/4
Width between keel guides - 12-3/4" (gives about 3/4" clearance at the widest point on the keel)
Center to center of bunks - 45-3/4"
Top of keel support to the top of the bunks
This last one is variable.  The bunks have a curve.  see picture below.  The center most roller support is 21-1/2" ; the forward most roller is 22" ; the aftermost roller is 23-1/8.  You notice from the picture that the bunks angle in.  All the dimensions are to the outer edge of the bunk which is a 2 x 6.  for the inner edge you would subtract 1-1/8".  The keel rollers are tapered and the support point is on the outside edge so the dimensions come from that aprroximate point

additionally, the bunks on mine actually support only on the middle 75% or so.  there is about a 15" in the very back and 8" in the front that do not make any contact with the hull.  I've thought about jacking up the bunk supports to make the curve more intense, but I'm afraid it would be difficult to crank the boat onto that higher stern bunk area.  Since most of  the weight is on the keel I think that amount of support is fine.

My bow roller is adjustable and that is a good thing.  I've found that at some ramps it helps to lower it until I have the boat cranked all the way to the chock, then raise it to make contact.  It is really only there to help to stop any rocking and so you can see you are centered.

I'll send you a PM with my cell in case you get in the middle of your setup and need something else.

Pictures:

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interesting info on the trailer for the compac 23..  i am seriously interested in getting one for Adagio..    i have been looking at new ones.. ranging in price from  lower 3000's to 5,000.00    any thoughts on aluminum construction verses galvanized?   jt

+1 karma to Brackish! 

Thanks a bunch buddy.  I got a jump start on the bunks today using your info. 

I searched eBay, Craigslist ( I use SeachTempest.com), local dealers, Com-Pac and MagicTilt Trailers for a usable trailer.  Search was for dual axle, 5000# capacity or greater, brakes on at least one axle, 22 - 24' boat design and preferably with lowboy style cross supports.  I didn't really care if it was aluminum, galvanized or steel as we sail in freshwater.  I would have liked to buy a shoal draft equipped trailer, but the only one I found was overpriced for it's condition.

I ended up with a dual axle, steel, 7000# trailer with new brake hubs, brake actuator, tires, and paint.  It will require about $100 in hardware to convert it to fit the 23.

I'll post some pics when I'm done setting it up.

Mike

I have the same Performance trailer as in the pictures. There is a real easy way to extend the tongue another 3-4 feet beyond the orignial extension design. It really helps dunk the trailer and not the truck when launching. All you need is a large drill and a flexible brake line extension.

Any more details on how you made the extension move further?

Thanks,

Shawn

The trailer extension (inner square tube) has a pin that stops the travel at about 3 foot extension. If you remove the stop pin, the extension can travel much farther - and even pull completely out if you don't have the wheels locked or chocked. Naturally that would not be a good thing.

Start on level ground, chock the wheels, disconnect the brake hose, add a flexible brake hose extension and make sure there is no air in the brake line. Then you can pull out the extension another 3-4 feet or so. I pulled mine out to match the brake line extension.  Drill a new hole through the square extension tube and re-insert the main pin. For added security, mount a cable exactly that length. One end is on the extension, the other is on the main tube. That helps mark the right lengeth when you extend to the new length. I did not bother to extend the electrical. I just unplug it for launching.

I'll try to get a few pictures when the weather gets better. It was a very helpful modification. Stop on flat ground, chock the wheels, adjust the trailer jack for free movement, pull the pin on the inner extension tube, pull the main pin, extend until the cable stops the travel and insert the main pin. Now you have 6-7 feet of extension to launch the trailer and not the truck.

I am also trying to upfit a frame trailer to support the CP 23. I'm working with a double axle trailer, and going to try to decide this weekend on whether to use a keel board or a roller setup like Brackish has showing. I found a trailer parts guy who will meet up with me Saturday morning to go over it.

Next thing is to get those upright pieces to support the bunks at the heights necessary. I will see what this guy has, and what he can get, then see where to go from there.

I appreciate getting to see the setup!

Bruce

Anyone have a side view of their CP 23 on the trailer? I'm trying to visualize the boat,keel, etc for laying out the keel support an orienting the bunks to match.

I ended up ordering some brackets from Loadrite dealer in New Bern, and I used a 2 x 10 keel board with some plastic slides. I used Brackish's measurements, and the boat retrieved and launched again post storm just fine.

I have some adjusting to do on the bunks, and one strange artifact to fix about the keel board.

There are 4 cross members, with the aft 3 being fairly close together. Then there's about a 5 ft gap to the front cross member. In that gap, the keel pressed a curve into the board. I will want to fix that. I'm thinking of getting some angle iron or 4 x 2 channel and going longitudinal between the cross members to shore up the front part of the keel board. I'll have a couple friends look at it and see what I need to do. One guy suggested just cutting off the board at the 3rd cross member and letting the keel overhang the 18" into the air.

I'll see about a picture and measurements later on.