Com-Pac Yacht Owners Association

Does anyone know the replacement Festoon bulb (maker and parts #) for the steaming light on older model 19/23?  It has round lens and round teak base.

Thanks. 

Take the steaming light out of the socket and over to AutoZone auto parts. Buy a two prong LED lamp that matches what you took out. That's what I did. You'll also have to do the same thing [same bulb?] for the interior lamp.

I don't think there is enough room for a Festooned bulb under the steaming light lens. This festooned 10 x 44 mm one will fit either the bow bi-color or the white stern lamp made by Robert Bosch Company.

Remember. You only turn that bulb on at night when your motoring. You be in violation if the lamp is lit and the sail is up and your not motoring. The steaming light is NOT a correct anchor light as it cannot be seen for 360 deg.

skip.  

Sorry Skip, but looking up in the rule books says:

Sailboats Treated as Power Boats When Motoring
Sailboats that are motoring or those that are motor-sailing are treated as power boats under the Coast Guard rules, and must show the lights for their size vessel. If the engine is on and in gear, a sailboat is considered a power boat, even if its sails are up and drawing.




If the engine is on at night, best should the steaming light be on.

When the engine is on, the rules of the road (Give Way Rules)  for a sailboat change and THE OTHER BOATS
need the indication that you are a power boat.

Skip,
Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought anytime you were under power (w/ sail up or down) you were considered a power boat and needed to have a white light visable from 360.

In other words, If the motor was pushing, you have to have the steaming light on. Doesn't matter if the sails are up or down. Just like right away rules. Am I wrong?

Bob,
I just replaced my steaming light and got it from Hutchins. THey only charged me about $15-$30. It does not have the teak base, but it works & looks good. Give them a call.

Wait a minute. I said, "You only turn that bulb on at night when your motoring. You be in violation if the lamp is lit and the sail is up and your not motoring." The steaming light is only 112.5 deg from center, both ways. Not 360 which might be mistaken for an anchor light. Don't display an anchor light when motoring.

Opps! Sorry.  You guys are correct according to the Wisconsin book of waterway rules that I am required to have on board my boat at all times. Here is what 'they' say.

I did not know this either, but if you hold down the control key [Ctrl] and tap the plus key + and the print and image will enlarge for each tap. To shrink back down to the original size hold the Ctrl key down and tap the negative -  key...how cool is that?

skip.

CTL + 0 (zero) resets the view.

What does 'reset the view' mean please?
Oh, I see. Back to normal.
dumbskey skipsky.

A word of caution about LED replacement bulbs. The lights were approved by USCG using the factory supplied bulbs. By not using the proper bulb, that light is no longer valid.

Quote from: Caboose on June 16, 2010, 11:00:33 PM
A word of caution about LED replacement bulbs. The lights were approved by USCG using the factory supplied bulbs. By not using the proper bulb, that light is no longer valid.

Agreed.  LED's are directional in nature..like a laser beam.  Steaming lights are supposed to give off 135 degrees of light.  Unless the LED has multiple bulbs shining in all directions, covering the entire swept area, you are risking not been seen--and perhaps worse being responsible for an incident.

"A word of caution about LED replacement bulbs. The lights were approved by USCG using the factory supplied bulbs. By not using the proper bulb, that light is no longer valid."

True but that only means that the bulb mfg. didn't spend the tens of thousands of $$'s to have them tested and approved....I hate the bureaucracy that this country is put through...a light is a light.

skip.

Quote from: skip on June 17, 2010, 07:25:52 AM
"A word of caution about LED replacement bulbs. The lights were approved by USCG using the factory supplied bulbs. By not using the proper bulb, that light is no longer valid."

True but that only means that the bulb mfg. didn't spend the tens of thousands of $$'s to have them tested and approved....I hate the bureaucracy that this country is put through...a light is a light.

skip.

No sir, LED's are unidirectional, halogen/tungsten/other gas bulbs are multi-directional. They are not the same design and have different perception from an observer.  Now with a fresnel lens or multiple LED's?  Much more similar to the observer.  Agreed on the certification and bureaucracy thing...seems like it shouldn't be that big of a deal to certify something, but it is.

What you can't see about this bulb pictured is this LED Festooned bulb it's self has a front
[lighted side with 6 LEDS vertical] and a back un~lighted side. I hope no fool would install the bulb un-lit side out. The bulb sits in a 225 deg reflector split 1/2 red and 1/2 green and shines through a Fresnel lens. It is so much brighter and sharper then the old hot juice sucking bulb. I can't look into it it's that bright. And I did turn it on and walk ashore at night. Yes it's bright.

But burn what ever you like.

skip.

Quote from: skip on June 17, 2010, 05:26:39 PM
What you can't see about this bulb pictured is this LED Festooned bulb it's self has a front
[lighted side with 6 LEDS vertical] and a back un~lighted side. I hope no fool would install the bulb un-lit side out. The bulb sits in a 225 deg reflector split 1/2 red and 1/2 green and shines through a Fresnel lens. It is so much brighter and sharper then the old hot juice sucking bulb. I can't look into it it's that bright. And I did turn it on and walk ashore at night. Yes it's bright.

But burn what ever you like.

skip.

Skip, oops, I thought you were talking about the steaming light on the mast that has no fresnel lens.   You're talking about the nav light...while that is not Coast guard approved, I believe you when you say it's too bright to look at!  The fresnel lens is what's changing the uni-directional nature of the LED light, making it (likely) just as safe if not more so.  Sorry 'bout the confusion. 

But you are correct about the unidirectional thing. I bought replacement taillight LED bulbs for my Saturn. Opps Not Good. They only shined 'out' directly from the back end. And nothing from the side. You walk around the car at night and the side red glow usually seen disappears. So that became my auxiliary light inside my CP-19 cabin, and yes it's red. How cool is that?
The reason these bulbs are no good in tail lights is the bulb sits too far out from the reflector. The reflector has nothing to do. No light to reflect.

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I try and make things simple when it comes to lights. My anchor light also serves double duty as my steaming light as well. I have a seperate switch on my stern light. Problem solved and it's less wire/weight aloft.

Caboose,
How do you use both the anchor and steaming like together? The Anchor needs to be visable from 360 while the steaming should only be 225 degrees.

Yes my first thought as well. It's not legal to show a 360 deg all a round white anchor light while the boat is under power, either by sail or motor or both.

The mast mounted lamp mid-way up and 225 deg showing is the steaming light and is to be used only when the vessel is moving. Steaming.

But we all know that.

One night I was hailed by some Coast Guard squids in a rib inflatable. The voice in the dark said my ensign on the stern was flapping across the stern light and I was advised to roll up the flag on it's stick and tie it off. So at night that's what I do.

skip.

I believe the thought at anchor is that the steaming light will show forward/side 225 and if you turn on the stern white
light only, then that is the 360.

On my cp19, I have a cigarette lighter socket and for about $20, I have a white light that I hang from the boom.
I like it because sailors going through the harbor see the light in their normal vision while anchor lights on the mast head
are out of eye sight (because they need to look UP to see it).

The light packs away very nicely and there is no extra wiring to get broken while raising the mast.

Bob

The combined arc of light of a masthead light (steaming light) and the stern light is 360. The masthead light shall also be one meter or three feet above the side lights (red/green). When I'm sailing, I use my side lights and my stern light. When steaming, I turn off my stern light and turn on my anchor light. It's the same as a power boat with an all around white light sticking above his stern. A powered vessel shall display a masthead light and a stern light. These lights can be combided into a single 360 light, and that's what I did.