Com-Pac Yacht Owners Association

http://easternshore.craigslist.org/boa/1560603845.html

Is it me or does $15K sound unbelievably high for what is probably a 1998 or 1999 CP19XL??  3 hull numbers newer than mine which is a '98.
Mine was considerably cheaper and aside from a little oxidation and teak finish peeling, it's mint.   the only one I saw go for this much had thousands of dollars of upgrades (pretty much fully outfitted).  And sold by a broker which drives the price up.

Sounds ridiculous.

Bob23

Another , this one in the midwest. Looks reasonable? RBB

http://stlouis.craigslist.org/boa/1641166992.html

Well these boats are priceless to us owner's but for all others there is VISA.
If you consider that it is common practice to expect the seller to lower his price to complete the sale - as no one has ever offered more than the asking price - then obviously the seller would start at the upper end of the possible spectrum.
Is there no one out there that is aware of the cost of these boats when they were new.  My 2002 sold for nearly $30,000.00 new as I have the original sales contract.  So why wouldn't it be worth half that much today if in good condition and updated?
I think some are accustomed to buying 30 year old 16s for next to nothing which is remarkable in that these boats have held up as well as they have.
If the boat has new sails, new motor, current electronics, good trailer, clean interior, and no damage, then it is practically good as new.
So there you have it, a prelude to me offering my 19 for sale, so you can start talking me down.

Ron

P.S. I will have the teak shined up pretty soon too.

I suppose there are two ways of looking at this: One from the buyers perspective, one from the sellers. I was happy to buy my 23 for next to nothing but I'd admit to being the first one to point out how much they cost now, in the event I was trying to sell. I guess in that light, 15k is ok, but I'm not a buyer.
Bob23

On the other hand this looks like too low an asking price.

http://nh.craigslist.org/boa/1636357503.html

I've been searching (purely for research only dear) the net for 19's and have seen anything from $3200 to $15,000.  I don't think there is any way to say what is a fair price as a generalization.  Each boat has been  loved, maintained and adorned differently.  Just have to find the one that talks to you and pay the man.

On the other hand I'll soon have to set a price on our 16 (just a hypothetical honey) and 16's vary even worse than 19's in price.  I see $950 up to $4000 prices and how do you guess where yours fits in? 

Mike

I think the extras on a lower cost 19 can make a big difference. I bought my 1984 with few extras, original sails, for under $5k with trailer and 4hp motor. When I saw the craigslist one here in St Louis for $5,500 with extras it seemed to be in line.. although I have not seen it ..Just went to the river to check my 19 and report to the club on flood conditions.. We're near flood but our marina is looking high and dry..RBB

Being cheap I feel that any Cp-19 in good usuable shape is worth about $5 to $6 k on a trailer.

skip.

Quote from: skip on March 14, 2010, 11:46:23 AM
Being cheap I feel that any Cp-19 in good usuable shape is worth about $5 to $6 k on a trailer.

skip.

You drive a hard bargain Skip, but I'll be up tomorrow with the $6000 for my new 19 C & J.  Can I keep the name?

HEE HEE HEE!

Mike

OK Mikey, for $6000 you can keep the name. But not the boat she's not for sale.
I'm not ready to 'let go the tiller' yet.
Who said that? I'll give you a hint...Let's look~see into the vault of this house for clews.


Charlston Heston, former president of the National Rifle Association.

Is this cool or what? I want the Flame Thrower.

skip.

Mike
I bought a new 16 with trailer (no motor) for $4,000.00 in 1980.  But consider along with depreciation the effect of inflation over the past 30 years.  A few of the traditional models have been updated and renamed for marketing reasons as well as production cost.
I guess it's safe to say that no matter what you pay, if you're happy with your boat, then all is well.

Ron

       every time i see a nice 19 for sail like the one in st louis i get a little three foot itis. but i have measured and think getting it in the garage might be a problem plus the extra time and effort to rig. as a daysailor who likes to try different lakes i think i will stay with my little 16. mike, maybe when you come down in july you can look this guy up.

  rbb, carlyle lake is in good shape so far come sail over here.

Quote from: kickingbug1 on March 15, 2010, 12:00:30 PM
       every time i see a nice 19 for sail like the one in st louis i get a little three foot itis. but i have measured and think getting it in the garage might be a problem plus the extra time and effort to rig. as a daysailor who likes to try different lakes i think i will stay with my little 16. mike, maybe when you come down in july you can look this guy up.

That is why I started building a 2 1/2 car detached garage last fall with 8' wide x 9' high doors.  I made it 28' deep just for a 19'.   I have it ready for windows and siding, so Brenda is running out of excuses and starting to waiver a little on the timetable for finding the 19 footer.   She said it needs to have a blue hull, might have to paint whatever I buy.  (I make sure she sees lots of pictures of pretty newer ones.) I have a few more items that need to be checked off my to-do list and a couple more toys to sell off to make room.   For me the hardest part will be posting a For Sale sign on Puppy Luff.   

Mike

Greene-Good luck in your search!    The garage should be the perfect size.  I store mine in a 24' long barn.  Barely fits with less than 1" to spare and that's with removing the rudder assembly and motor mount board (with performance trailer).
The barn door is 8'6" (appx) high and the boat also barely fits heightwise.

Thanks,
We started building a 2 1/2 car detached garage last fall.  Fortunately it was one of those rare occasions that I thought ahead and asked for some advice before starting a project.  I posted a topic here asking for garage depth and door size requirements for a CP-19.  The nice people went out and measured their 19's for me and I drafted the plans to size.  Ended up with a 28' deep x 30 wide garage with two 8' wide x 9' high doors.  It should work nicely for a couple boats, lawnmower, and shop tools.  

I could have (and probably should have) spent the money on a really nice 19 footer, but eventually I'll end up with both anyway.  I really am a lucky guy.  I get to buy great sailboats, park them in a nice garage, and go sailing with my beautiful wife.  Life is good.

Spring has sprung in Wisconsin.

(http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt211/greene2108/New%20Garage%202009%20-%202010/593.jpg)
Mike

I only get to buy one beautiful sailboat, park it in the backyard under a canvas, and go sailing alone. Is there no justice?
Bob23

Bob23,


Ok.  You have the nice sailboat,  I'll share the garage with you, but I'm not sharing the wife.

One beautiful Com-Pac.......life is still good!

Mike

Yes, life really is very good. Looking at the bright side, I live in NJ, own a Compac 23 that is way too beautiful for me to deserve, have pretty good health and a job. And, in the words of Dr. Emett Brown, "Thank God I've still got my hair!".
Bob23

Hair!  You still have hair?  Crap, you win.

You guys are cracking me up!! (I'd put a smile there but it seems they are not working anymore, at least on my puter)

Hey, mike, great looking framing.  Makes me want to pack up my PC framing nailer and come up and help. Looks like those headers will meet code, but are you sure you have enough pitch to handle that Wisconsin snow?  Wish I could put up a house for my 23, and, in fact, the neighborhood association has indicated that's the only way I'll be able to bring it home for winters.   The self appointed arbiters of conduct, taste, and value, have so declared.  No soul.........I'm moving.........

kickingbug1,, I may be able to make  Carlyle ,, I need to replace the bearings on the old trailer fist,, don't want to breakdown in East St Louis,, I've seen the movie ...RBB
Guess these 19s are holding their value,, how did we get to flame throwers? Is this a new accessory from the factory? I want one too....

Yeah, lots of hair. And a nice shade of self-employed grey. I dye it that way...looks real.
Framing looks nice but I'd got with a stick-framed roof. Sorry, I'm so critical. But look at all that wasted attic space. It would be a good place to have an office or man-cave. Boy, I hate the phrase!
Bob23
(ps sometimes these side paths we go down on these posts are interesting, eh?)

I have stick built roofs before and it isn't all that much fun.  In our area the code requires an engineered roof plan, so trusses are soooooo much cheaper.  You can't see it in the pic, but I did use scissor trusses on the right side of the garage so a guy could install a car lift inside.  The 9/12 pitch is fine for our lovely Wisconsin snow load.

I think a flamethrower would be pretty cool, but it wouldn't work very well against the water cannons the guys are packing for the CLR.

Those power nailers are great aren't they?  I have a Paslode for framing and a coil nailer for roofing.  I wouldn't let my son use it until we had the wall framing all done.  That way he can wield a hammer when he needs to.  Nothing teaches you how to use a hammer faster than actually pounding nails until your arm falls off.  (Son wasn't too thrilled with the idea though.)

I vote Bob23 has the best sense of humor on this site.

Mike

   A great sailboat, a new, huge garage, sailing with a beautiful wife AND a car lift? This is too much for me to bear! 
   Very nice framing. I agree with your nail gun philosophy. I'd see these new-bies coming up in the trade who never learned how to frame with the original cordless nailer- a hammer. They'd waste nails, using 20 in a jack stud to king stud where 7 will do. But, like I said, I'm so critical. I used to love getting into nailing contests with those greenhorns. Beat 'em every time. Maybe not so now, the rotator cuff surgery took a little strength. Hey, that could be CLR fun- sut up some lumber and have a nailing contest. Great fun after a few beers. Hammers only- no nail guns. 
   We thought we didn't worry all that much about snow load here in the South of NJ until this winter. I don't know exactly how much we got- I'll guess and say 36-40". That must be a record. Yes, you can't beat a truss roof for strength, cost effectiveness, and speed. And, to boot, an engineer certifies it. And you get a nice, clear span with no posts in the garage. I always hated opening up my car door into a steel column.
Bob23...up way to early again.
(ps: in other news: My 3mm Sapele plywood for the rudder project arrives today. I hope to have the rudder foamed and sheathed by the weekend. Next would come the fiberglassing- that's where my son comes in! I have photos of the rudder project so far; I really should learn how to post them here. )

Hey, that could be CLR fun- sut up some lumber and have a nailing contest. Great fun after a few beers. Hammers only- no nail guns.

Not me Buddy, I've got bad tendinitis.  Last time I used a hammer was roofing and I had to finish the last half square left handed, and I ain't even close to being ambidextrous.

These days, if I have to drive one nail, I hook up the gun.

I think boteller is right..the modifications and care given make a big difference in the value.   Seems tough to guage this from an ad...