This whole thing started with a thread on the C-16 website regarding folks expressing interest in the OBX 130, a cruise from Cedar Island, around Shackleford Banks and back via Cape Lookout.
My flip comment that we could set up our own resulted in AirborneJarhead making the above title comment (hey, I'm not taking all the blame).
Several other C-16s & some larger boats chimed in, then some folks from Virginia.
Setting up a Carolina Com-Pac Cruise seems to be in order. (Disclaimer: I am NOT an organizer/supervisor).
I'll just throw out some parameters & see what folks come up with.
1. Needs to be on the sounds/rivers if larger (non-trailerable boats) are to participate.
2. A time frame/length of cruise/projected date needs to be established; A weekday departure would be preferable (if possible) to avoid crowds at launch sites.
3. A route/timeframe that is practical for the C-16s.
4. It would be nice to have a restaurant with adequate docking/parking space for an after cruise dinner to coordinate our stories to establish alibis and plausible deniability.
5. A bailout option for weather.
Possibilities of departure points (from my local/limited perspective) would be New Bern, Oriental, Beaufort, Cedar Island, Ocracoke...
Let the games begin
mike
Do it!! Just do it!!
13 years ago the Barnegat Bay Bash was born (known back then as the Compac Convergence) and has been going strong ever since! it's resulted in lifelong friendships being born, old friendships being renewed, lots of sailing adventures (and a few misadventures), much food, beer and rum being consumed and a renaming ceremony that even King Neptune was proud of!
Loose organization is a key along with flexibility, as one can never count on Ma Nature to conform to our plans. And sensing the need to keep the spark alive in the cold winter months, we came up with the Mid Winter Gathering idea where we meet each January at a different restaurant to catch up, eat up and drink up and talk of the next BBB!!
Cheers!! Do it!!!
Bob23
I'll take some well deserved blame...or credit, whichever gets this done! I'd be willing to assist Bramble in organizing and supervising (using both terms rather loosely) a rally. New Bern would be a great starting/stopping location what with a great marina, access to big water and of course, great bars/restaurants. I'd be trailering there from Charlotte, myself.
As this would be the first CCCR (why do those initials look familiar?), maybe just a cruise down to Oriental and back? Seems like a nice and long day sail. What do you guys think?
Chime in with your thoughts and suggestions.
New Bern to Oriental looks like a good trip. I would not be able to make a long day of it but Minnesott beach looks like about half way and there is a marina there - no knowledge of it, just looked at their web page.
Quote from: AirborneJarhead on August 22, 2019, 01:00:09 PM
I'll take some well deserved blame...or credit, whichever gets this done! I'd be willing to assist Bramble in organizing and supervising (using both terms rather loosely) a rally. New Bern would be a great starting/stopping location what with a great marina, access to big water and of course, great bars/restaurants. I'd be trailering there from Charlotte, myself.
As this would be the first CCCR (why do those initials look familiar?), maybe just a cruise down to Oriental and back? Seems like a nice and long day sail. What do you guys think?
Chime in with your thoughts and suggestions.
Add this to the list! https://www.abbreviations.com/CCCR
Yup, there are some Virginians who might hook up someday!
New Bern to Oriental is approximately 24 miles. At 4 knots this is six hours.
Halfway would be Beard Creek, Hancock Creek, & a little further Clubfoot Creek. These are good anchorages. Minnesott Marina is good. Matthews Point Marina in Clubfoot Creek is very good.
This is supposed to be fun, so adjusting schedules should not be an issue...& with sailboats & wind, it is inevitable.
(thanks for the support AirborneJarhead)
mike
I am imagining tides on the Neuse River would play into this sail.
Sailing against tide or into the SW wind might be a drag.
Food for thought,
Fred in Southport NC
Fried fish,
surprisingly not. The Neuse flows into the backside of Pamlico sound, not the ocean. The distance from the ocean (40 or so miles) & the expanse of the Pamlico as a buffer results in no tidal action. Now Beaufort or the Cape Fear region are very different stories.
mike
geeman,
I seem to recall you mentioning that you were aiming for a fall launch. What time constraints are you anticipating?
mike
I think I'll have the important bits put on by mid September. She''ll be rough looking I'm sure, but should be floating. I'll still need to break the outboard in however and that might well be the sticking point. The manual says I need 5 hours of pretty low revs and then another 5 of only moderate revs and that's likely more water time than I'll get before the CCCR. If I do get it all together, I'll try my best to make it, but don't hold up the train on my account. Either way, I'll plan on having dinner with the group.
No problem there. Just keep the revs low during the trip & keep account of the time running. If you need to go faster than low revs...we'll tow you.
mike
So what's the timeframe we are thinking about doing this? Late Sept/early October? We will need to get it pinned down soon so we working stiffs can ensure we get the time off to make the trip.
I'm fine with any itinerary the group agrees on. The Oriental trip is a bit further than I thought. I've never sailed those waters so this will be a first time evolution for me.
OK, I'm throwing out a time frame:
Sept. 28 through October 6.
1.
(sorry, premature posting)
1. is this doable?
2. how long a trip?
3. What part of this time window works?
For New Bern to Oriental I'd suggest a four day trip.
For a shorter trip we could launch out of New Bern, with options to raft up, anchor out, etc.
What say ye, mateys?
For those of us who keep our boats on the Pamlico or lower Neuse, it's a long way to sail to New Bern for the start of the event. I would be in favor of a more central gathering spot such as Oriental, with a destination such as Ocracoke or Beaufort/Cape Lookout.
However I may be in the minority here (my boat is on the Pamlico, near Bath) and I'll find a way to participate if the majority prefer a New Bern gathering.
Happy to serve on the organizing committee if I can be of help!
Wes
staging out of Oriental is certainly possible, as would be a Cape Lookout run with the 16's putting in at Beaufort.
Let's get some input folks
mike
Great idea. Let's collect some hard data! All those interested in the event, please reply with name, boat size, home port, and preferred meet-up location. Like this:
Wes Newman
CP 27
Bath, NC
Prefer Oriental meet-up
I will volunteer to tabulate and report.
Great job Wes
Mike Bramble
New Bern, NC
C-16
Oriental or Beaufort
Glenn
Rocky Mount, NC
CP16
Location doesn't matter to me as I will be a day tripper. Tuesday through Friday are generally my best days, but since I'll likely be just doing one day with the group, then whatever works best for the majority.
I can do the 28th-the 30th. I may be able to squeeze leaving on Tues, the first.
I still prefer New Bern myself, but again, I'd be open to majority preferences. I can't make an Oriental to Ocracoke trip due to time constraints.
Rick
Charlotte, NC
CP16
New Bern or Oriental
I think an Ocracoke trip would be a bit too ambitious for our first shot.
Terry Gillette
Fairfield Harbour, NC
C-23
Oriental or Beaufort
CP23 here in Southport.
I will be there in spirit.
It would be a bit of a sail up the coast.
I am spoiled by slip sailing. Trailering is out for me.
Sounds like a great trip,
Fred
Charlie Deisher
Pacific Seacraft 34
Duck Creek, New Bern
Just interested in tagging along. Might have room for boatless sailors.
regards charlie
Charlie will be the triple decker, ship of the line to our frigates and sloops of war.
If I can make it ( depends on when it is ) I'd have to be crew on the ship o the line PS34. Okay Charlie?
TG
Hey Tim G, you are always welcome aboard.
regards charlie
Bruce Woods
Blackbeard Sailing Club
CP 23
New Bern Oriental
Looks like this thing might happen.
Do we want to:
meet at a town, daysail & raft up for a meal,
daysail (or destination), tie up & go out to eat, or
do a short destination cruise?
Or something else (your suggestions here)
Here are some distances (approximate) to help with decision-making:
New Bern to Oriental
(or Oriental to New Bern) 22 miles
New Bern to Upper Broad Creek 6 miles (anchorage)
Oriental to South River 9 miles (anchorage)
Oriental to Lower Broad Creek 9 miles (anchorage)
Beaufort to Shackleford Banks 3 miles (anchorage or daysail)
Beaufort to Cape Lookout
Outside route 12 miles (anchorage)
..........Inside route 10 miles (anchorage)
Take a minute & come up with what route/format you would prefer (C-16's can launch at Beaufort, Oriental, or New Bern but remember they max out at 5 knots or so).
AirborneJarhead is the only one who has entered a time preference. Any other input on time or do we go with that?
mike
Here's the list of the seven sailors who have expressed interest:
Name Boat Home Port Preferred Meetup
Mike Bramble 16 New Bern Oriental, Beaufort
Glenn (geeman) 16 Rocky Mount Day sail
Rick (AirborneJarhead) 16 Charlotte Oriental, New Bern
Terry Gillette 23 New Bern Oriental, Beaufort
Bruce Woods 23 New Bern Oriental, New Bern
Wes Newman 27 Bath Oriental, Beaufort
Charlie Deisher PS 34 New Bern
There is wide support for Oriental either as a starting point or destination. There are more 16s than any other boat size, although only 1 of the 16s is based in New Bern.
What do you all think about this:
- Meet up at Oriental on Friday afternoon Oct. 4 and overnight there w/group dinner
- Saturday Oct. 5 sail to Beaufort and overnight there
- Sunday Oct. 6 return to Oriental
Thoughts and alternate ideas welcomed!
Wes
Sounds good to me.
I concur.
mike
Sounds good to me. I'm game!
May be interested... would be a 5 hours haul from central VA to Oriental. Anyone bringing an Admiral? We've only done some lake sailing since picking up our 16/3, I'm assuming the sailing route isn't just down Adams Creek but out around Cedar Island, is that a correct assumption? That might be a very ambitious single-hand sail for me. Just trying to judge if it's something I could handle in my own boat or if maybe there was an opportunity to crew with a more experienced captain might be a better option. I did just have my trailer completely rebuilt so the roadtrip "shouldn't" be to exciting. Any thoughts? Thanks.
Regleg,
The route via Cedar Island would be too long for a weekend trip. It will be down the ditch, which isn't as bad as it sounds. I can't say that you'll be in "good" company, but folks will make sure that you can keep up with the other 16's.
mike
Must admit I hadn't considered the amount of motoring time in the Adams Creek ICW section on the way to Beaufort from Oriental.
A trip from New Bern to Oriental and back would have more sailing and less motoring. That's not quite so convenient for me since I'm coming from the Pamlico, but I'm committed to doing what's right for the common good! Any thoughts?
Wes
I'm good with whatever works best for folks, especially since I'm still very much in the still working on the boat phase of operations.
Ha, that phase will last FOR THE REST OF YOUR FREAKING LIFE.
Wes
Yeah Wes, I'm slowly figuring that out. When I picked the boat up I thought "Hey, I'll be sailing in a couple of weeks." But one project leads to/depends on another and so it goes. But I've got something to work toward that has a date stamp on it. We'll see.
Cool ideas flowing.
Unfortunately, I will be out of town the 1st week of October.
I will lurk here in case an alternative date gets chosen.
Bruce
Another possibility would be meet up at Oriental Friday, have a meal together & Saturday head down to Lower Broad Creek. It's a good anchorage & for those who want to tie up, River Dunes Marina has transient slips. There is a cafe there (unknown quantity to me) that serves breakfast (& lunch). We could eat then head back to Oriental (or in Wes's case, headed back to the Pamlico).
mike
I like your last idea, there, Bramble. I'm an electric boat, so motoring down the ditch is not high on my list for this rally/get together. I should be good to go for those dates as well.
Well, I guess I will not be able to come that weekend also. Was having a conversation with my wife about my son's family and my daughter's family coming to town for the weekend of October 4-6 for an extended family get together and it hit me like a ton of bricks. THAT'S THE WEEKEND OF THE CCC Rally! Dang, was really looking forward to it!
Terry
Need some feedback on the alternative cruise I proposed.
Also, two folks are dropping out due to the timing of the trip. Would the 27/28/29 of September be a possibility for the group?
mike
I like your last itinerary best and the days are fine for me.
I checked my schedule (wife's) thoroughly this time and can make it Sept 27/28/29. I like the proposal for River Dunes.
Please do not change the dates on my part if that knocks someone else out. Continue as planned if it does. My bad for not checking adequately the first time.
Terry
Unfortunately I cannot do the Sept. 27-29 dates. But that's ok if this works best for everyone else. I see Mike, Glenn and Terry are in. Rick and Bruce, how about you?
Wes
Let's stick with Oct. 4-6. That was the original dates proposed. The chances of picking a date that everyone can attend is very slim. That gives an extra week for planning. The Neuse River is my cruising grounds so missing one weekend of sailing the Neuse is no big deal. I'm sure I will be seeing several of you on the river in the near future anyway.
Oct. 4-6!
Terry
Well folks, I'm sorry to say I'm not going to be able to make it. Investigation today brought out a number of big problems that are going to take me a while to fix.
geeman,
I'm sorry that you won't be able to make it. I was looking forward to meeting you.
mike
I may still drive down to oriental and eat. It will be nice to get acquainted with like minded folks.
OK folks,
we're getting down to the bending end.
How about this.
Friday 10/4/19 dinner M&M's @ 7:30 PM
(16's can launch before or after)
Tie up, anchor out, or Oriental Marina it
Saturday 10/5/19
Sail to Lower Broad Creek, meeting up at some time for a raft-up, dinner on your own.
Anchor out or marina up at River Dunes.
Sunday 10/6/19
8:00 AM breakfast at Yawl Cafe (at River Dunes)
Coordinate stories to establish plausible deniability
Head back to Oriental.
mike
Splendid. Oriental is having their Ol Front Porch Music Festival that weekend so there will be entertainment around town on Friday night.
I'm not aware of any on-your-own dinner options in the LBC area except the club dining room at River Dunes, which is open to transient slip renters by reservation. Not a problem if we all stay there. I suppose one could drive back into Oriental if one had a car.
Yawl Cafe is quite excellent for breakfast. I had an outstanding omelette there the last time I visited.
Wes
I was thinking more of a ham sandwich & a beer from the ice chest.
I kinda sail on a budget (Ok, I'm a cheapskate)
mike
Anyone who plans to get a marina slip in Oriental should start calling ASAP. Seems like the music festival is a big-ish deal and they are expecting a crowd.
Wes
So, Mike and I are in. Glenn's boat isn't ready; Terry and Bruce have other commitments. Rick and Charlie, are you in?
Glenn - you should come anyway. Any of us would be happy to have you as crew, even if just for day sailing on Saturday. Terry, that applies to you too. I have inside information that you are EXCELLENT crew.
Wes
Although I am not a part of this event, I hope you guys can pull this off. The Barnegat Bay Bash now approaching it's 14th year next summer, has resulted in some new life long friendships as well as lots of fun, eating and drinking together. It's about life, me hearties- life which is meant to be lived! So if we never meet, on October 4th I'll raise my glass of PBR in your honor!
Fair winds mates!!
Bob23
We would like to take part any some or all of the events. We will be sailing over from Belhaven. We could not get a slip in Oriental so we are planning on spending Friday and Saturday nights at River Dunes. Please include us and let us know what is planned.
John and Lisa
Possibly interested in attending, maybe roping some family in too. Not entirely sure if my schedule is clear and/or if the boat can make the trip from Northern Virginia. Is anyone planning on spending the night in the hook? I've never anchored overnight and it sounds like slips might be already taken at Oriental.
My plan was to anchor out.
mike
For those not familiar with Oriental, there's an "official" anchorage against the breakwater just outside the harbor, although it's relatively exposed to the mighty Neuse and could get bouncy for smaller boats if the wind is blowing. There is good (more protected) anchoring in Smith and Green creeks (go under the high rise bridge). Oriental Marina & Inn is booked up, but there are other marinas - check waterwayguide.com. River Dunes is the swankiest and also the furthest away. Some are a dinghy ride or car drive from the town center. Oriental is a friendly place for visiting sailors.
Wes
Wes
do we have a semi-official head count?
mike
Wes, Mike - I'm planning to have supper with the group on Friday evening but don't plan to drive back down on Saturday. Hate to miss out, but that's just too much road time for an old guy :) .
Glenn
Looking forward to meeting you.
FYI,
a link to where the town docks are in Oriental.
NC Wildlife boat ramp website
mike
Ok. So it's the Smith's Creek ramp on Midyette Street.
http://www.coastaltravelguide.com/NorthCarolina/Pamlico/BoatRamps/OrientalRamp.htm
I'm not familiar with Oriental, but those directions should do it. Thanks
Hey, I am an old sailor and sometimes drift.
I just sent Bob23 a personal message that should have gone to Tim Gardner. Then I found a PM that I had not seen from Mas possibly looking for a ride.
You are both welcome aboard.
Here is what I was thinking: (Open to suggestions and tweaks)
Depart Duck Creek 1400 - 1600 3 Oct to Hancock Creek (MCAS Cherry Point)
Depart Hancock Creek 0700 to Oriental join up with the ComPac's 4-6 Oct
Depart Lower Goose Creek 0800 6 Oct to Duck Creek (should arrive around 1700)
-Hancock has a dock with power, head and shower.
-I have a yet untried Boston Whaler Squall w/o sailing rig for a rowing dink. I still need to put bottom paint on it plus a couple of minor touches.
-Hope to get a free slip at Oriental with an early arrival, around 1000, from Cherry Point.
-If the dink is working plan on anchoring out at Lower Broad Creek (River Dunes)
-Saloon cushions are off boat being replaced. I have been sleeping on an air mattress on the starboard settee. V-berth is open as is the port (un-cushioned) settee and the pilot berth.
-I will be glad to supply: beer, ice, rum,coke, water, sandwich stuff, some freeze dried meals and some snacks. Fuel is also no problem.
-Duck Creek Marina is directly across the Neuse River Bridge from New Bern.
Please let me know if it works out.
Looking forward to the trip.
regards charlie
So, I believe we have 4 boats confirmed:
Mike (16)
Wes (27)
John (27)
Charlie (PS 34 flagship)
Three who will not attend:
Terry (Razor)
Bruce
Glenn (geeman), supper on Oct. 4 only but no boat
There are two that expressed some interest but have not confirmed:
Rick (airborne)
Grafrig
If any of this is incorrect, please let us know.
Wes
Hi guys,
I'm still trying hard to make it. Work demands have increased the last few weeks and are really cutting into my boat work/sailing time! I probably won't know if I'll be able to go until next Wednesday or so.
My plan was to have Little Wing all painted up nice and pretty and have new cushions in her...instead, she just sits there quietly mocking me every evening I come home.
We are not sure we will make it.... our CP 27 is still in Huricane mode and may not have time to get her ready. We may drive over Saturday.
OK folks. I just made a dinner reservation for 8, at 7:30 PM Friday night at M&M's cafe.
I think this thing is going to happen.
mike
Great! Looking for ward to it.
And I am out. Not going to make it. Sorry guys...
Vicki's surgery has been moved up to this coming Tuesday, 10/08, so preparing for her rehabilitation at home will prevent my participation, Truly wish I could be one of Deisher's crew.
Have fun, and plan another. The flesh isn't weak, but the marriage/partnership is stronger! Bon Voyage!
Tim,
I was looking forward to meeting you, but I guess that will be delayed.
I'm praying for Ms. Vicki, & for her caretaker.
mike
Hey Mike, Mas here. Have been lurking on this thread and indeed as Charlie suggested I had PM'd him regarding coming along with him since we both share a love of and have Pacific Seacrafts, and the Eastern NC scene. Actually had met Airborne Jarhead on Ocracoke this past May and soon realized we both have Compac 16'S and still have fond memories of sailing in the waters around Ocracoke. I will not be aboard Charlie's PSC secondary to the unexpected death of my wife's brother recently and knowing my presence here is important for her and the family. Wishing you all fair winds and will lift a glass at 7:30 tonight to all.
Rick (Mas)
Rick,
Family always come first.
I'm sorry for your loss.
We'll try to arrange some other insanity for the future that you can join in.
mike
CCCR
Oriental, NC
Charlie, Pacific Seacraft 34 (Com-Pac owner emeritus) sailed down from New Bern
Wes, C-27 sailed from the Pamlico River
Mike & nephew Jamison, C-16 trailered in
After tying up at the docks we were met by Glenn (C-16) who drove down from Rocky Mount for supper
We ate at M&M's & were joined by Craig & Sara (no H). The main topic of conversation was the weather. Wes had experienced a white knuckled run before a 25 knot wind on a reefed main. NOAA had predicted 10 to 12 knots. Unless conditions changed radically, the trip to River Dunes would be beating into a hard headwind & heavy sea. Glenn drove home and the rest of us retired to the docks for libation, lies, & music...both from the festival and of our own making.
Saturday dawned (ok, mid-morning-ed) to very heavy seas & high winds. Charlie volunteered to be our bellwether, setting out under reefed main. We had decided that any report that had any qualifier (i.e. "it should be ok") would mean no-way. Well, there were no qualifiers. Charlie stated that he was headed back to New Bern...and he wasn't taking out the reef.
Jamison & I daysailed, first into the river with four foot seas & 20+ knot winds then we retired and sailed up the creek, good winds & flat water. Evening found us back at the docks for more salubrious good fellowship.
The remainder of the crew departed after coffee.
All in all, a good trip, a very good trip.
Thanks for the rest of the story Mike. I much enjoyed the time I was able to spend with the group and I learned a lot. Good folks, good food. Can't beat it!
Hey; thanks for organizing the rally and allowing me to participate. I had a great time.
I think that Craig and Sara were on an O'Day 26 or 27.
The lower Neuse was indeed choppy Saturday morning. I saw just one motor boat and one sailboat until rounding Minnesott Point. The upper Neuse is much like lake sailing most of the time while the lower Neuse is much like sailing on the Sound. The upper Neuse (or Pamlico) may be a better place to plan for a future rally.
I have been fortunate to have sailed with a several members of the CPYOA, always impressive and interesting.
Again thanks.
Smooth Sailin'
regards charlie
Sounds like a good time. I truly hate I couldn't make it. Mas, so sorry to hear of your loss. Good call to stay with the family. Poor Ocracoke, eh? We hope the campground, businesses and residents will be back on their respective feet in time for the tourism season next year. Hope to make the next CCR rally!
Mike - thanks for the post event wrap-up. Just for the record, John and friend Lisa also showed up at the dock on Saturday wile you were exploring the creek. They came by car since John's boat wasn't ready to sail. We had a fun hour sharing CP 27 notes!
I do agree that lower Neuse sailing is always unpredictable, unless you have a mighty PS 34 like Charlie's. My return trip north on Sunday should have been ideal sailing on a sunny, windy day, but was marred by a wicked 2-3' running swell leftover from two blustery days. It shoved me around all morning, chased me up the Bay River, and was waiting on me when I reached the Pamlico. Not much fun.
Wes