Looking to downsize.
Figured I'd add this here hoping I might find someone looking to trade up and sell their 16.
Thanks.
Kevin
What!.......you guys have been steadily moving up? I do know and have said if we ever sell one of our boats, it will be the PSC first and not the 16. Just too simple, too inexpensive to acquire and keep, too seaworthy for her size, too easy to transport, launch and store. Sometimes less is more.
Many 16's out there but this one is my bet for best value, certainly not the cheapest but maybe the least expensive.
https://www.sailboatlistings.com/view/74360
Hoping everything is good with you guys. You will be missed at the next party.
Thanks Rick, I have been looking at that one, only six hours away.
We figure to get the 'Big' boat one day we need to drop back 10 feet and punt and $ave.
Totally get that. We hope we can continue to afford both boats. If you ever need a bigger boat fix, look us up, and you are welcome to enjoy the best value in boats out there....OPB's! :)
Little beknownst to the general populace here but our very own K3v1n began his illustrious sailing career with a humble CP 16! What goes around, comes around!!
There's a 19 at G. Winters. You looking to trailer or still have a slip?
Quote from: Bob23 on July 23, 2018, 07:41:50 AM
Little beknownst to the general populace here but our very own K3v1n began his illustrious sailing career with a humble CP 16! What goes around, comes around!!
Many of us did! I actually asked the folks at Hutchins would they ever consider bringing it back, the reply was that they were too successful as there are soooo many still out there in good shape that they couldn't compete price wise with new. Pacific Seacraft, as most folks know, builds top quality boats named more than once by Fortunes as "Best in America" products and in Ferenc Mate's 'The Worlds Beast Sailboats' both editions. Unlike many of the great boat builders in those editions they are still in business but almost went under during the 2007-8 financial debacle. One of the reasons for their continued success is their thriving restoration program along with custom work such as Jimmy Buffets new boat. (He had a Flicka as one of his first boats) If they depended on just new boats sales things might be a little tough as a new 31 outfitted like ours would run close to 400k. Ouch! A new Compac Legacy (replacement for the 16) costs well over 15k new with trailer and motor. Hard to compete with a good CP16 for2-4k that can be restored for so little.
Somewhere near Colonial Beach circa 1981 in our first 16:
Here is a CP-16 in North Carolina with an asking price that caught my attention. $600
https://outerbanks.craigslist.org/boa/d/16-compact-sailboat/6624734091.html
Looks like it may need new trailer tires and bearings.
Ill be vacationing down there in a few weeks. If anyone wants me to go look at it, let me know (assuming its still available).
Wayne
Yup, that's pretty cheap! but know you like that my friend! One of the very early versions but still the same hull design as all of them. (actually 23's are the same hull design as the 16) Not sure it is the least expensive however as can drop some bucks on the trailer, wiring, motor, and always have been amazed as to what folks call "great shape" for sails. If original then quite tired even if they look clean.
Having owned both a Mk1 and now a Mk2 (Mk3 is the same with just a few changes that does not improve sailing) I prefer the later versions. I must admit, maybe I don't remember well but I do like the additional sail area (7/8 vs 3/4 fractional rig), ability to have different headsails, genoa tracks, bow sprit, hause pipe and compartment for chain and rode, roller for anchor, electrical, upgraded interior, bronze hardware instead of composite, jiffy reefing instead of the horribly unreliable boom roll furling, and some two tone decks. I do know there is less weather helm and possibly they may point a little higher but really can't speak to that as it has been too long! They also changed up the structure on the decks and in particular the cabin top as the earlier models did develop some soft spots.
Guess it is all about what we all like to see in a boat. $600 is a good price as he is moving next week so priced to sell. I also bet that between motor, trailer, tires, better also figure sails, sail cover, and potential work to fix any leaks and cosmetic work, that you could easily drop another boat unit and still not have the Mk2, but then again it truly is about what we wish in a boat, less money vs features and condition. Great if ya can get them all!
Personally Wayne, I think you otta tow it back from vacation and own two! Bet you could fix her up or skip fixing your current one and keep one as a spare! Even better you can keep one at Regent. Heck bring it to CBMSG! Working to help another person get one as well who might keep it there. Just think 4 of them in one spot. Got two there now. Do I hear regular races?! ;)
.....also if Kevin isn't interested, that price is right up Bob's alley. Heck he could leave it at Regent as well so the Admiral would never know! Wonder if she ever goes on this forum?
Yes. - if Bob sees the 16 in outer banks, I imagine we would have to find (an Outer Banks) wholesale source of PBRs!!
Wayne
Here's a set of 16's in Maine.
https://maine.craigslist.org/boa/d/compact-16-with-galvanized/6630864859.html
That is a great price, but MAINE! :/
UPDATE:
Checking google maps and these two boats are only a half hour further away than the one in Clayton, NY.
Hey Bob, maybe we get a deal if we buy both?! :D
...and another.
https://raleigh.craigslist.org/boa/d/compac-16-sailboat/6633453986.html
There's a donut store, Holy Donut, in Portland that is worth the trip alone. The bacon cheddar filled one is solid gold. As for the boats, one looks like the newer sprite version.
Kev, Portalnd Maine isn't really all that far, just leave NJ very early in the morning. Great beer in Portland, I haven't been in a while...bought the Guideboat there at the Maine Boatbuilders show.
Hmmm...road trip for 2 boats...yeah, I can see divorce in my future!!
Don't be lured by just price. Truly you will eventually have the same amount in it as the NY boat by the time you get a motor, and other items that come with the 91' Mk3. Heck just the roller furling alone makes that boat the ultimate in single handing ease (a little envy of that feature). Know it seems like a big difference in price and percentage wise it is but one of the truisms of boats is that the best value is the boat that the previous owner has done all the work! The difference in price comes out to $4.25 a day for a year if you don't do anything to the cheaper boats and sail them motor-less and as is. Skip one beer every day for a year and sail instead!
Regardless, you are not going to have me discourage someone getting a 16! Still have fantasies about a yearly 16 regatta and race. Got two at our home marina now and working another. They just are such great values for what ya get. Now if we can just get this weather to take a break. :)
It's easier to dole out money over time though than all at once. My first CP16 I purchased for 900 bucks off ebay. :D
I know a 16 is in my future...just can't see that far ahead! Unexpected expenses with the Porsche have gobbled up some $$.
Lesa said I can get the 16 in NY for the 3300, but I have to put a 'For Sale' sign on Dorothea....I'm not quite ready for that yet, maybe the end of August.
It would be pretty cool to have a Com-Pac 16 fleet race! Maybe a few years down the road we organize that along with the BBB or that becomes the BBB?
No worries, mate. Seems that 16's show up all the time. Why don't you put the sign on Dorothea and then when it mysteriously blows off at the exact moment you pull into the driveway with the 16....well, you know...stuff just happens!!
Trust me i do know the pinch of scarce funds as things are a bit tight right now. We were able to pay cash for our 16 but it took away funds slated for Interlude so had to delay some work on her, thus delaying her being ready to sail regularly for almost a year. Meanwhile we needed a place to stay, which she fulfilled, while we sailed the 16. We, as two retired teachers, couldn't begin to afford to pay cash even for an antique Pacific Seacraft so got a no cost reasonable boat loan. Kinda like a house payment, as no one usually can pay cash for a home. It does mean will pay more than the initial price cuz of interest, though tax deductible interest. We clearly could have purchased another 31 foot boat for a bunch less but had always wanted a PSC, a boat that could take of me, and a boat we could recover most of our monies if sold. Since they are still available new, it helps lift the value of used. Also I am not getting any younger and just recently got back into this thing called sailing. Couldn't afford to wait any more.
My suggestions about the 16's were meant to provide perspective on the best value. A 16, if of good value, and you don't have to spend too much on her, can be sold for what you paid for her even though no longer made as the new equivalent cost so much, and frankly they are just nice boats.The only thing I would hold out for is a Mk2 or later if ya wanna keep her forever, or at least in my humble opinion after having both. Anything after that is price vs condition and somewhat location. I did drive all the way to Mobile, Alabama for No Mas. I also was also prepared to walk away after such a drive. I simply considered it an adventure!
Even though No Mas ended up not being the right boat for us, had we not acquired her, this discussion probably would not be happening. For that alone I am grateful we owned her for the few months we did and get to know the fine folks on this forum! The first person I met was Pedro, who I will remain grateful for, as he has become instrumental in helping my return to sailing. I also blame him for pushing me over the edge and getting the PSC! For that i am also very grateful since i had always dreamed of one and frankly still had the paper brochure from 1989 about the new design from WIB Crealock, the 31. Interlude is an 89'. Don't ever give up the dream.
Don't consider it downsizing, consider it resizing, and I am prepared to be blamed as well for the purchase of a boat! Road trip anyone!
Ask for payment in bitcoins. That'll shorten the list of prospective buyers. I know someone with a 1984 blue hull without the sprit though. Seems they switch 1/2 way through the year to the mk2? I can ask him if he'd consider selling it. No motor, been sitting for 5 years. I asked him 3 years ago, and he wasn't ready at that point.
Ryan: is it close by? Either Kev or me might be interested.
I can probably swing up to take a peek at those 16s in Portland next week (maybe Thursday?) if anyone is interested. I'm also looking for a small (2.5-ish hp) outboard for my 16, so if there is a screaming deal in your area maybe we can work something out? I haven't found any great deals on small outboards near me.
I'll be selling my 16 soon down in Florida
Trailer/new tires
4hp Yamaha
newly painted
varnished all teak
anchor roller/extended forestay
new jib cam cleats moved inside on cabin top
some harken carbo blocks and fiddle block on boom
all new lines, large size for sheets, standard size for halyards, Sta-Set sheets, Sta-set X halyards
idacraft rudder new
two tone decks, all white above water line, beige kiwi grip non skid all new
ALL my boat hardware, equipment, PFDs whatever, cleaning out the garage
boat is currently garage kept
-Todd
trying for the 3500-4000 range
Sounds like a great 16, but FLA is a bit too far for me. Thanks.
PM sent.
My search has been put on hold for now. :(
so.....does this mean you are hot on the trail of one or simply unable to let go of Dory?! :)
Okay I've done it! Dorothea is 'For Sale' (http://www.capedory.org/board/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=36111) First Ad has been placed on the Cape Dory owners site, hey, it's a start. So the CP16 hunt is back on! :D
And so the saga continues! Many out there...you may have to travel. How about a 19? You had one...so much more room.
I've got a 16 mk2. Pretty nice original condition with trailer it's been in my garage a lot of years. I'm near Clemson SC. Asking 3000 for it. I've found a 23 that will fit my family better... hate to sell the 16 though ... it's my second one and my all time dream boat.
I have a compac 16 that is for sale. located in shrewbury river monmouth county new jersey. 1979 model. i have been sailing it for 20 years .
furling
two sets of sails
electric motor 55 thrust
two agm batteries
trailer
$3000
Contact Nick at 848-217-7325
Kev,
I want to see that Pearson 303 next BBB! I think brave Marty showed the difficulties in using a 16 on the weekends in the lower part of Barnegat Bay with the never and I mean never ending line of boats flying past. I've never seen so many 40ft flybridge boats and their wake was a momentum killer. Go big!!!
Quote from: Reighnman on September 18, 2018, 06:25:02 AM
Kev,
I want to see that Pearson 303 next BBB! I think brave Marty showed the difficulties in using a 16 on the weekends in the lower part of Barnegat Bay with the never and I mean never ending line of boats flying past. I've never seen so many 40ft flybridge boats and their wake was a momentum killer. Go big!!!
So....the key is not the boat but the timing! WE DON'T DO WEEKENDS! Hang in there and keep the vision for what you really want someday. As far as a CP16 goes, it will never be the boat for cruising, racing, staying aboard, etc. It will be an inexpensive, easy to care for, easy to travel with, easy to sail, easy to sell boat that handles jus like the 23 except smaller. Hold out for a Mk2 IMHO.
An interesting listing at our marina since there seems to be interest in Pearson's. It has all of the layout we like in our PSC31. Open layout, aft head and actually a private aft stateroom. Clearly not a passage making boat but a nice design.
https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1989/Pearson-2-28-3221681/Topping/VA/United-States?refSource=standard%20listing#.W6EAfC2ZO_J
Now we know it's not the timing with you guys for such, and probably will need some work but this is as inexpensive as ya gunna get for a PSC31
https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1989/Pacific-Seacraft-31-3183127/Chesapeake-City/MD/United-States?refSource=browse%20listing
Hope all is well with you all. Not been the best sailing season for us between weather and much going on that holds us closer to home. Next year is looking to be a great one though, heck October is looking to open up for us some finally! Hang in there, someday before ya know it, weekends you can leave to all of the yahoo power boaters and be going out when everyone else is coming in and have the place to yourself! Last week before the threat of Florence got everyone all flustered, we spent two days with just the company of dolphins and only one other sailboat. :)
@ Ryan...The Pearson is under powered plus I couldn't afford the marina fee.
@ Mas...We would love a PSC but still out of the budget for a bit. Need to down size in order to up size!(sorry Pedro)
@ Nick....Looks great Nick but the Admiral requires me to sell the Cape Dory first. I'll see if I can soften up her position, ya never know. I'm only an hour away in Manahawkin!
Quote from: npcammarano on September 17, 2018, 09:53:37 AM
I have a compac 16 that is for sale. located in shrewbury river monmouth county new jersey. 1979 model. i have been sailing it for 20 years .
furling
two sets of sails
electric motor 55 thrust
two agm batteries
trailer
$3000
Contact Nick at 848-217-7325
K3v1n
No problem. Do what is best for your situation. Call if you want to come up and take a look, while she is in the water.
848-217-7325
Nick
Nick: Are you interesting in trades?
No Trades.
For Sale ONLY
I have a classic 1949 275 F1 Ferrari. Reconsider??
Ferrari?
SOLD LOL
Kevin,
I saw Nick's 16 last year. It was in great shape. I went with the PC for the lower trailering weight, and that I was keeping the 19. She is a great boat, and good upgrades.
regards,
Brian
Dorothea is 'Officially' for sale with a Broker. Now bring me that CP16! :D
1985 CAPE DORY 26 (https://www.yachtworld.com/core/listing/pl_boat_full_detail.jsp?slim=broker&boat_id=3473490&ybw&hosturl=forkedriveryachtsales&&ywo=forkedriveryachtsales&units=Feet&access=Public&listing_id=79916&url&fbclid=IwAR2CpQpb-kSMcDQrZfvvWEEckeupYiVSnbUjJcsQ3Ua5jGdfiviWrs5yxnE)
My 16 Compac is still for sale. Just took it out of the water.
Call if interested
Nick 848-217-7325
There's a donated 16 for sale on EBay.
You are my first call Nick once I get a buyer!
no problem.
call anytime
nick