Inboard engine vs. outboard motor on CP23--my situation

[HeaveToo]

I threw some dates on the post for the Tangier trip.  No one has gotten back with me on them.  It is the best timing I can think of because the weather shouldn't be horribly hot and it shouldn't be that busy.  Not to mention that it is in the middle of my 21 days off in a row stretch!  I think that I am going to do some sailing.

Sorry, don't mean to thread jack this thread.

[Mas]

Hey Bob23, clearly we have done it again with being off topic! With that said, things the time frame was to accommodate Heave's block of time he will be taking several days to cruise, avoiding the Memorial Day weekend (Tangier can get kinda crowded), a few folks (including me) that have conflicts the prior weekend, and generally good sailing weather. The trip should not be planned around my schedule so if the prior weekend is when everyone else can go i certainly get it. Think the mid week time frame is a good one though as we should have plenty of room at the town docks.

Diesel, there i said it so we can say we had that in the discussion!  

[Mas]

Hey Heave i agree on the timing for good conditions. May is a great month as the water temp has risen and winds good. You should plan to head up the Rivah and we will hit a couple great spots in our neck of the woods.

Diesel motors are cool...... Think that was the topic?

[HeaveToo]

http://cpyoa.geekworkshosting.com/forum/index.php?topic=9204.15

We can get back on topic over there!

Diesels Rule....Oh wait, I don't have a diesel.  Now I feel left out.  Damn it!!!

[Bob23]

Thanks for reekling us in , Matt. you know us old guys...minds are always wandering. Now, where were we?

[moonlight]

No point in worrying about a problem that doesn't exist yet. My outboard, Miss Nissan size 8 who had performed flawlessly for 8 years, last season out of the blue decided to stop pumping water. And easy fix but the point is any engine, marine or land based is just one failure away from total catastrophe. When one looks at the speeds, forces and temperatures of any internal combustion engine, it's a miracle they run at all. Not to mention 250 thousand miles and counting like my Tundra. Simply amazing.
Bob23

I've just got to ask that lingering question!  Bob, did you change that impeller annually as per factory manual?  Or strectch to bi-annually or tri-annually?  Or once every 8 years as indicated by lack of water flow???

I had a customer call this evening, who couldn't remember that we changed his (Johnson 115) Impeller last month, and ran it right it front of him.  He kicked it over getting ready for a weekend trip (yes, it's 70 degrees in New Orleans area today), and it wasn't "peeing" enough to satisfy him.  After chatting a bit, and before heading over, I calmly told him he probably had a plugged up pee tube; within 10 minutes he called back and confirmed same.

Having fixed that, now he can go catch the speckled trout ... limit is 25 per person per day!

And the easiest, (Patent Pending) way I tell folks to keep track of that?  Dump a case of beer in the ice chest.  For each fish you catch, drink a beer.  When you're out of beer, go home after catching the next fish...

[Bob23]

Well....I had actually changed it only the year before. I had the motor for 8 years before I changed it...it never missed a beat. But then I began to feel guilty- I mean, how much mileage can you get out of one impeller? So the new one went. But actually it had a thermostat issue that I got fixed at the dealer at the same time. Now she runs great but has been replaced by my Sailpro named Su. She's a small girl, size 6.
I like your advanced usage of math using the beer! Simply genius!

[brackish]

Having fixed that, now he can go catch the speckled trout ... limit is 25 per person per day!

And the easiest, (Patent Pending) way I tell folks to keep track of that?  Dump a case of beer in the ice chest.  For each fish you catch, drink a beer.  When you're out of beer, go home after catching the next fish...

[/quote]

Might be best to take that off topic statement to another forum or start a new topic labeled as such and I'll just stay away.  Gets the rest of we Gulf States speck fishermen upset.  Louisiana creel and length limits are unrealistic for reasonable conservation due to the fact that it takes 14" for 100% of females to be at egg laying prime and they lay three times as many eggs as the 43% that are egg layers at 12". That wouldn't bother me as much except that your fishing waters are not just due south of your state, but just a few miles due south of mine. 

Most of us hope they take your advise, drink a case of beer and fall off the boat......that would help the natural selection process.

[Mas]

Diesel......remember?

[Bob23]

Yeah, diesel. Somewhere back in my cranium, I seem to remember someone making or attempting to make a diesel outboard. A few years ago at the Maine Boatbuilders Show in Portland Maine (ayuh), I was talking to a local builder who was discussing it. I'm sure there would be a limited market but just to have that cool sound. Reminds me of all my air cooled VW's that I used to have. Todays engines are so boringly quiet.
Bob23

[Mas]

Hey Bob, try checking this site out. Yanmar is taking the global distribution for them.

http://www.neander-shark.com/en/motoren/neander-outboarder/

Too bad about the Yanmar diesel market since the new EPA regs just a few years ago. Yanmar should have talked to the folks at VW for ideas on how to "comply"!

[Potcake boy]

I wish battery development was further along as otherwise electric propulsion has some distinct advantages. At this stage, electric is only practical for day sailors with short motoring distances. Small outboards are far more practical for small boats with longer motoring requirements and the fuel consumption isn't significant. Diesel motors have been the choice for larger vessels for a number of good reasons, but have been widely disregarded  by large production companies for small boats because of cost.

It can't be said that gas outboard or diesel inboard is superior as it depends on the application. Either of the two are reliable when properly cared for. Diesels will give you far more hours of service, but are more expensive to replace. Diesel motors require less service because of the lack an ignition system and are enclosed and out of the weather. Outboards can be dismounted for service which makes access easier.

The diesel in my 23 pilot house is the right choice. I am very happy that it is a two cylinder Yanmar because of less vibration and reliability.  The engine weight being in the bilge as opposed to hanging on the transom is a nice boost to performance, less hobby horsing and stiffer. She is a very nice boat to sail and to motor. With my 5 gallon portable backup fuel container I can motor for about 36 hours straight at 2400 rpm.

Ron

[Bob23]

NoMas:
   So, I wasn't crazy! There are diesel outboards...make perfect sense. That actually looks like a very advanced design.

[Craig Weis]

I entered a CP twenty three that had a diesel inboard ... the whole inside of that hull stunk like fuel oil ... the wife said, "Your not bring that home."

Diesel outboards would be okay, but heavy I'm guessing and vibrations galore?

If I was to buy another O/B I'd find a 5 hp  zero time, NOS Briggs and Straton, air cooled [lawn mower engine] About $500 bucks, UPS'able.  
How dependable is your lawn mower? ... mine starts first time every time.

skip.

[Bob23]

It seems that Neander conquered the vibration problem with 2 counter rotating crankshafts. A very innovative design.