Help with CP 19 Jib Furler

[gellertt]

Hello fellow CP19 owners:

Happy New Year! I have a 1st generation spritless CP19 and would VERY much like to add roller furling. I have the original working jib and a genoa. After a summer of hanking my jib, I'm ready to convert to roller furling BUT, I have notice a few interesting problems that you might have some advice for:

1. Both of my jibs have an "extension" cable swaged on at the tack point of the sail in order to sufficiently RAISE the jib high enough so that it doesn't conflict with my bow pulpit rail. The cable extension allows the sail to be raised an additional 6-8".

2. I've read that there is a potential problem with the clearance of the mainstay and a rollerfurler on a 1st generation CP19 ... is this true?

3. If rollerfurling can be added, does anyone have a make/model rollerfurler recommendation PLUS a suggestion for having my stock jib cut and converted to a rollerfurling jib? Or, is it cheaper just to purchase the rollerfurler AND jib in a single package.

Thanks for any/all help ... can't wait for spring!

Tom in Northport, NY 

[wes]

Tom - I can respond to #1 and #3, since my 19/3 does have the bowsprit.

#1: The drum of the furler should raise the tack of the jib at least as far above the deck as your existing extension. It's very likely you can remove the extension cable and be fine.

#3: In terms of good performance at a reasonable price, I'm a fan of the CDI FF2 furler. Mine has worked reliably for years. I did not have to install it myself since it came with the boat. Based on reading the manual, it's my impression that the initial installation process is not for the faint of heart, but that's probably true of all furlers. Modifying your existing jib is an easy job for any sail shop in your area. It involves removal of the hanks and addition of the correct size luff tape specified by the furler manufacturer. No particular reason to buy a new sail, although if yours is old and tired you will be amazed at the difference a new sail will make. Brand new genoa for the 19 is probably in the $500 range.

Good luck!

Wes

[nicktulloh]

FWIW I'm planning on installing a furler on my 19/2 this spring. I was planning on an FF2 but got in touch with Hutchins to check and  Gerry sent me this ....

"Nick - I would use the CDI (sailcdi.com) FF-1 system.  It is inexpensive and is especially suited for trailerable boats.  This is what we use as standard equipment on the Eclipse which is about the same size boat."

Not an insignificant price difference.

[MacGyver]

The only difference I think on FF1 and FF2 is the FF1 takes 1/4 inch turnbuckles. The FF2 is for 1/4 inch and 5/16 inch.

I think the FF2 is the right one for the 19s due to the rigging size being 5/16. I dont know if the extrusion for the FF1 and FF2 is the same or not..... I would suspect not.

Not that I am saying Gerry is wrong...... I am just thinking though it might be a good idea to size your rigging first..... hate for you to have to reorder....

Roughly same size boat, Yes, same rig, not exactly.... but possible I guess.

Mac

[Salty19]

The only difference I think on FF1 and FF2 is the FF1 takes 1/4 inch turnbuckles. The FF2 is for 1/4 inch and 5/16 inch.

I think the FF2 is the right one for the 19s due to the rigging size being 5/16. I dont know if the extrusion for the FF1 and FF2 is the same or not..... I would suspect not.

Not that I am saying Gerry is wrong...... I am just thinking though it might be a good idea to size your rigging first..... hate for you to have to reorder....

Roughly same size boat, Yes, same rig, not exactly.... but possible I guess.

Mac

I believe macgyver is correct.
The specs on the CDI website tell the same story.  FF1's do not support the 5/16" forestay pin that are used on CP19's (at least those with bowsprits).
http://www.sailcdi.com/ffmain.htm  Also the wire size of 19's, at least my boat, is 5/32.  Max wire size for FF1's is 1/8". 

The FF2 is the right one to use on CP19's.

I'm partial to the harken 00AL, and glad I spent the extra over the CDI for many reasons.

[skip1930]

One of the three CP-19's in our flotilla had a CPI furler on an early MKI hull.
The furler is tac'ed at the deck and the head sail is SLIGHTLY mis-shaped around the bow pulpit. No big deal.

Now I installed a CP-19 bow sprit on this boat ... an added unexpected benefit was because of the sheer line the new tac on the bow sprit raised up to meet the old standing rigging length ... so no need for a new head stay from the masthead.

Gotta use your cotton picking brain ... don't make the furler so long that the pivot at the masthead is not so close to this casting that it interferers with triangle created by the mast, the stay, and the masthead.

Personally I would prefer a different model of a furler. I fitted a Harken '0-0'AL on my boat. Minimal sail/pulpit interference of the 155% lapper sail shown in picture. See where the upper pivot ends? When you cut and size the furler, allow for some clearance by tac'ing the head sail 'down low' for max sail use. Do not recut the head sail.

Side bar: Once using only this head sail shown I put my rail into the water far enough to ship water over the cockpit and out the scuppers. How cool was that? I tried to do that for years.  --> If you hold the CTRL key down and Tap the + key a few times the picture will enlarge and maybe you can gage how far down the upper pivot is from the masthead casting. Hold and tap the - key to shrink.

skip.  

[Salty19]

2. I've read that there is a potential problem with the clearance of the mainstay and a rollerfurler on a 1st generation CP19 ... is this true?

Tom in Northport, NY 

Yes, that's correct. Fixed by making a new bow rail forward piece that extends the rail. 3 or 4" would be enough, but I would go longer as the sail will need room while furled. No sense in chafing the sail.

P.s. Are you still on the board?

[Mattlikesbikes]

If the O.P. Is not interested I am.   It is probably not going to happen this year but I am going to get a furler on my 83 sprint less CP19 .

Does anybody have any pictures of one setup on a early CP-19?

[skip1930]

[Elk River]

I have another question pertaining to a jib furler.  I have a 19-2 with a CDI furler but no furling line.  The manual that came with it says to make the line long enough for your largest jib, plus enough for another 5 wraps.  It gives no indication for the basic length of the furling line.  I am wondering if any of you know roughly how long your furling line is.  I believe my jib (was told by seller) is a 135.  It would be good to have a starting point as I need to purchase some line.

Thanks, 

Elk River

[Tim Gardner]

ER,
Hand roll your largest jib onto the furler, connect some string to the drum, and unroll the jib.  mark the string at the cockpit edge, pull the string back out
(furling the jib) for five turns of the furling drum, and mark the string again at the cockpit edge.  Add the distance between the two marks to the length of the string from the drum end to your original mark. This will get your starting furling line length, add any extra length you deem appropriate and there you have it.

When you install the furling line, roll the line onto the furling drum until you reach the starting length point at the cockpit edge, install the jib, and roll er up.

Hope this helps.

TG

[MacGyver]

I think I purchased 40 to 50 feet and did have some extra to make a few trinkets.
I always love extra line bits so never worry about it a whole lot.

I used 3/16ths new england sta set.

white with red fleck. and was setup on a CDI FF2.

Mac

[Elk River]

Thank you gentlemen, both answers help greatly.  They move that operation up a couple of notches on the fix-it list before we can splash, hopefully this weekend.

Elk River