1984 23/2 NJ Craigslist

[Bob23]

This is soooo tempting! But the Admiral would kill me then courtmartial me!
Bob23
http://jerseyshore.craigslist.org/boa/4160257212.html

[jthatcher]

it would be kind of difficult to justify having  two of the same models..   this boat has been on the market for a long time.. it was available 2 and a half years ago when we bought Adagio, but not at this price!   jt

[Bob23]

So you are familiar with it. It looks clean but very stock. I wonder about sails, bottom condition...
Bob23

[jthatcher]

i did not look into it seriously - liked the one we bought    at the time, it was listed at over 8k    i wonder what the story is..    someone is desperate to sell it..   maybe some sandy damage?

[Bob23]

Hmm... never thought about Sandy damage. I wasn't seriously thinking about it. But if I'd love to buy econo 23's that need some TLC, fix 'em up and put them back in circulation.
Bob23

[brackish]

If it were close to me, by this time next year it would be a pilot house.

[bob lamb]

Same here Brack!

[Quickstep24]

Hmm... never thought about Sandy damage. I wasn't seriously thinking about it. But if I'd love to buy econo 23's that need some TLC, fix 'em up and put them back in circulation.
Bob23

Probably a decent boat, New Jersey dockage fees are out of sight along with real estate taxes and there are a lot of good boats for sale cheap. Sandy only added to the surplus. There is a c/23 for 1500 somewhere on CL.  Poor state government  is going to kill the marine industry in the NE.  Marinas sold for condo developments so people can say they are living on the waterfront even though all they do is watch TV which you can do in a dungeon.  If a guy had a trailer set up right and had a market elsewhere he could make a good living re-locating boats. For a baseline, where I live in NJ, near Sandy Hook, a cheap slip is 2400 dollars for a 24 footer and average real estate taxes are 9000 dollars on a 2300 sq ft house. Do the math and many have to cut their losses and boats go first. Maybe I can get a subsidy from the government like everyone else? Forgive my rant, but it makes me feel better, briefly.

[Bob23]

Rant forgiven. Down here in Ocean County taxes are about 45% less than  yours. I don't pay slip fees...my boat lives on a mooring. The state marina in Forked River slip fees are substantially less than your 2400 clams.
Bob23

[skip1930]

If someone objects, I'll remove it. Don't yell. Just tell me. Humor please.

The Affordable Boat Act

The U.S. government has just passed a new law entitled "The Affordable Boat Act" declaring that every citizen MUST purchase a new boat by April, 2014. These 'affordable' boats will cost an average of $54,000-$155,000 each. This does not include taxes, trailers, towing fees, licensing and registration fees, fuel, docking and storage fees, maintenance, or repair costs.

This law [tax] has been passed because, until now, typically only wealthy and financially responsible people have been able to purchase boats. This new law ensures that every American can now have an 'affordable' boat of their own, because everyone is 'entitled' to a new boat. If you purchase your boat before the end of the year, you will receive four 'free' life jackets [does not include monthly usage fees].

In order to make sure everyone purchases an 'affordable boat,' the cost of owning a boat will increase on average of 250-400% per year. This way, wealthy people will pay more for something that other people don't want or can't afford to maintain. But, to be fair, people who can't afford to maintain their boat will be regularly fined and children [under the age of 26] can use their parents boat(s) to party on until they turn 27, after which date they must purchase their own boat.

If you already have a boat, you can keep yours [just kidding; no you can't]. If you don't want or don't need a boat, you are required to buy one anyhow. If you refuse to buy one or can't afford one, you will be regularly fined $800 until you purchase one, or face imprisonment. If you cannot [or don't want to] purchase an 'affordable boat' from a private business, you can buy a starter boat from the U. S. government 'affordable boat exchange.' Such a boat will have the basic necessities [hull, oars or paddles] and will only cost 'slightly more' than a similar boat purchased from a private business. Plus, since your tax dollars will subsidize the purchase of a boat from the U. S. government's 'affordable boat exchange,' it will appear that you are getting a good deal.

Failure to use the boat will also result in fines. People living in the desert, ghettos, inner cities, or areas with no access to lakes are not exempt. Neither age, motion sickness, experience, knowledge, nor lack of desire are acceptable excuses for not using your boat.

A government review board [that doesn't know the difference between the port side, starboard side, or stern of a boat] will decide everything, including when, where, how often, and for what purposes you can use your boat, along with how many people can ride your boat. The board will also determine if one is too old or healthy enough to be able to use their boat, and will also decide if your boat has out lived its usefulness or if you must purchase specific accessories [like a $500 compass] or a newer and more expensive boat. If your boat is getting rather old and needs a specific part fixed to continue it's usefulness, this board determines if the repairs can be made,...if no repairs will be allowed the boat will then be left to deteriorate and therefore quickly be eliminated from society, making room for newer boats that pay there way.

Those that can afford yachts will be required to do so ... it's only fair. The government will also decide the name for each boat. Failure to comply with these rules will result in fines and possible imprisonment.

Government officials are exempt from this new law. If they want a boat, they and their families can obtain boats free at the expense of tax payers. Unions, bankers, and mega companies with large political affiliations [$$$] are also exempt.

skip.

[peterg]

Humor and the truth.............can't beat it!!

[skip1930]

Thanks. I thought it was cute.

" But what if I already own 5 affordable boats? Can't I keep 'em all? Or can I give 4 of them to my cousin who lives in Kansas and keep only 1? "

Short definitive answer is Yes ... Maybe. Phone your cousin to expect a delivery. How is this conundrum of ridding one's self of 4 affordable hard bottoms possible? Let's say your barnacles are really, really tight and a one figure salute from your side of the harbor to the Harbor Master renders parking 5 boats in one slip not as much as a daunting problem today as it was yesterday. If fact it's no problem at all, your one affordable hard bottom boat has been placed on the hard by a now abrasive Harbor Master who flat out lies and states that such a relic was observed in his most worshipfulness's opinion as no longer floating at the waterline, making it now less 'more affordable' and thus out of compliance as are the 4 other affordables, that are cresting the horizon. Your 4/5th loss is considered a doable and affordable loss that can be rectified only by a new even more affordable boat. This is mandated. For all. The Harbor Master will accept nothing else. While pondering this ... "as 4 out of compliance 'affordable' hard bottoms zing their way West to your cousin." Your day suddenly brightens realizing that your misery has been redistributed to both parties. Affordable hard bottom boats with no restitution is truly a joy to behold. FOB. Forever On my Back, is of course by you.   

Your cousin benefits from your 4 tear reduction in affordable hard bottom boats.  Your coz keeps one affordable hard bottom boat, orders a new affordable hard bottom boat, and only has three to be rid of. Golly who knew trickle down works so well?

skidsteer.

[Bob23]

But what if I already own 5 affordable boats? Can't I keep 'em all? Or can I give 4 of them to my cousin who lives in Kansas and keep only 1?
Bob23

[skip1930]

Don't bother me with details ... Real Life Word Problems here.

And you thought 4th grade math was challenging ...

You own a gas grill. You've never had one before, so you buy a propane tank from next to the grill display, $30 for a new full tank. While this is called a "20 lb" tank, the label says that it only contains 15 lb of propane. When you take it for a refill, the propane guy puts 17 lb of propane in it, and you pay $20 for 20 lb of propane. For "safety" reasons, ie room for expansion when it gets hot out, the gas man only fills the tanks to 80-85% stated capacity, even though the tanks are built to hold the full weight capacity and still have plenty of room for expansion. And that float valve thing they all have these days.

Confused? It gets better.

A new 30 lb propane tank cost $70, empty. It's only 6" taller than the 20 lb tank, so it fits under the grill too. When you fill it up, you get charged $26 for 30 lb of propane, but you get about 25 lb.

Question:
~Part 1)
How many refills will it take to justify the purchase of the 30 lb tank?

~Part 2)
Given that the purchased-full 20 lb tank requires 3 refills to provide a full year of grilling (4 tanks full, or 68 lb), and the tank certification is good for 12 years, once you own the 20 lb tank will it EVER make sense to buy the 30 lb tank before the smaller tank is past it's certification date?

PS The pork ribs came out superb, thanks for asking. They got cooked for an hour an a half last night, then I ran out of propane. Got a refill today, and after another hour and a half of slow grilling we had them for lunch. Yum. I think the 2 days of being in the marinade really helped.

I'm not even sure how to set this one up. Solve for X while solving for Y? All I know is that the tank exchange service up the hill costs $23 and gets me a 20 lb tank with exactly 15 lb of propane in it, and the refill service down the hill here costs me $20 and gets me $17 lb of propane. So refill wins, but the little tanks don't last that long.

One of you really bright boaters ought to be able to set this up as algebra, but that's beyond me today, so I'll just crank out an annual cost for a few years and see where it goes.



20 lb tank
$ 30 new, full
$ 60 for 3 refills per year
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$ 90 Year 1
$ 80 4 refills @ $20 each year after that
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$170 Year 2
$ 80 4 refills
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$250 Year 3
$ 80 4 refills @ $20
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$320 Year 4
$ 40 4 refills @ $20
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$360 Year 5


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30 lb
$70, empty
$26 first fill
$52 next two refills
$30 cost of original 20 lb tank, give it to your brother in law
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$168 Year 1, BUT I still have half a tankful left
$52 next two refills
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$2100 Year 2
$ 72 3 refills
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$292 Year 3, BUT I still have a third of a tankful left
$ 72 3 refills
====
$364 Year 4, BUT I still have almost a full tankful left
$ 52 next two refills
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$416 Year 5


I don't think it's ever going to balance out, even if I had originally bought a 30 lb tank instead of the 20 lb tank, which cuts the Year 5 price down to $386). Economies of scale being what they are, the market for 20 lb tanks is hundreds of times larger than that of the 30 lb tanks. So the 20 lb can be had new for $15 empty, yet the 30 lb can't be found new for under $65-70. And they're the exact same top lip, valve, base rim, OPB safety float inside, same diameter, same weight steel, and so on. The only difference is that the body of the 30 lb tank is 6" longer than that of the 20 lb tank ... let's call it a whole $2 worth of steel (more like 25¢'s worth or less at the factory). There just isn't enough market to justify it. Rats. Probably even worse for the 40 lb tanks, which are also exactly the same except they're another 6" longer. And they sell for at least $90-100.

Propane outboards anybody?

skip.

[MacGyver]

Bob23,
You could always send some down to me for some "treatment" and although that may take a few years for me to get them back to you, you can rest assured they will be in good hands

"Sailing is fun, it is best when you have a fleet as to which to pick the days sailing from." - Jason Davis
This is what I tell my wife when I tell her I will buy a 16 someday....... she just doesnt understand. LOL

Mac