Bob23 Made Me Do It.........

[peterg]

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I love to blame stuff on Bob23- it just rolls off his back, and I needed someone to pin the blame for a new boat onto. It must have been going to the Annapolis Show with Bob and his lovely admiral and seeing all the goodies. Anyway, after not having a Compac in the fleet for a year and a half, the irresistable urge got the best of me. We started out looking for a clean CP23 diesel but were unable to find one in acceptable condition, what with leaky ports and destroyed teak, rotten soles and sagging compression posts, collision damage, and the list went on....... Having sailed on Bob23's boat, we were pretty set on that size and performance. We went out to dinner one night at a seafood restaurant/marina about four miles up the Great Wicomico, and what should be in a slip but a very clean 1990 23 with an outboard and no trailer. Left a note onboard expressing interest, and got a call a couple weeks later from the elderly original owner who was indeed at a point where he wanted out of sailing. He'd only sailed the boat once this past season. The test sail led to a financial sale and the boat was ours. We already had an aluminum tandem axle trailer in anticipation of finding the fabled 23D, so I set the pads to Bob's emailed dimensions and plotted to sail the boat the thirty miles down the bay and up the Rappahannock to our house, where I would anchor it in our creek for another month of Fall sailing. We left the marina with twenty knots out of the NNE- great for going South- and 3-5 rolling waves. A single reef and full 135 had us moving steadily at six knots and as much as seven in good gusts while surfing down waves- all according to the GPS!  We made excellent time from the Wicomico to Windmill Point- the huge marker at the entrance to the Rappahannock. We turned in and furled in about 20% of the jib and were beam reaching up the river when the aluminum rudder snapped off at the bottom of the rudder head- whoops, no steering and still big wind and waves. We immediately furled the remainder of the headsail, dragged the tethered rudder into the cockpit to get it away from the outboard, lowered the 6HP four stroke and fired it up, steered into the wind and lowered the main. We motored across the mouth of the river- about three miles- and entered Broad Creek into Deltaville, where we tied up at the fuel dock at one of the many marinas. Made arrangements to leave the boat and have it travel-lifted onto our trailer. Interestingly, the rudder was never under any weather helm stress on the short journey, though it did act a little more squirrely than usual on the downwind run-I suspect that it was flexing and bending at this point and barely hanging on. Examination of the break revealed extreme metal fatigue throughout most of the length of the break, with only a very small amount of the rudder having any integrityalong the break line. The boat got loaded up on the trailer and Admiral Rebecca and I lowered the rig, tied it all down, and I towed her home with my little 6cyl. Ranger pickup. She is now in my yard, washed and covered to keep the leaves out. Talked to Gerry at Compac and had a new rudder shipped out, which is already installed. The boat is very clean and pretty much dead original. I am in the process of doing my usual upgrades to include lazy jacks and mackpack type sail cover, instruments, 110V battery charger and shore power, tacktick wind instrument (my old neck can't handle looking up like it used to), proper drain for sink, chartplotter, and real potty with holding tank. This, of course, is a partial list- I love projects!!  The boat will be used for Beck and I to explore the many creeks of the Chesapeake and will split it's time between a mooring in our creek and a $300/year real slip in a real marina on the Wicomico. This is our fourth Compac, having had two 19s and a 27, and she will be named Beagle 3. And Bob, thanks for turning me on to the 23s- they sail great except when the rudder snaps!!

[Bob23]

Honest, folks...it ain't my fault this time...it was those Painkillers at the Annapolis show!
   Very happy for you PG23. And happy to know, that in some small way, I've helped to make  the world a better place. She's really looking fine and I'm sure that your projects will turn her into the proper yacht that only you can build. Very nice that you have a blank canvas to start with. It's also nice to not have to undo some of the previous "mods" that could have tarnished a fine yacht. We all know what a midguided PO can do!
   We are looking forward to a trip south to help you celebrate in person. I only wish we could sail our 23's together sometime. Not that I'd race, mind you!
Best,
Bob23
(Very interesting tale about the rudder blade. Just imagine if it would have broken while still under the original ownership...you may have never met her!)

[Salty19]

Welcome back, Peter! Com-pac sure do run in your blood.

What an adventure!  Are sure you're not related to Crazycarl? 
Or worse, call it the Beagle III BEFORE you renamed her, angering Neptune?

Please tell you're related to Crazycarl. 

[Tom]

Several years ago I first saw Drema.  She was all tucked up for the winter at my local boatyard.  I fell in love with her then and there,  but I was told she had a caring owner and probably was not available.  Smitten by Drema I stumbled around the boatyard and found in the very last row, next to the old wooden hulls, another ComPac 23.  This one had been damaged in a storm and needed sooo much work, but  I was hooked and,  with visions of Drema in my head,  my labors began.  I can't blame Bob -- it was Drema made me do it! She is enchanting,  BEST of LUCK! 

[skip1930]

Brackish, I read some time today where you were considering this modification that  peterg  has added to his CP-23. --> Note the modification of a mid-boom traveler. I grabbed the 'direct codes from the original post so the pictures could be seen.













I love to blame stuff on Bob23- it just rolls off his back, and I needed someone to pin the blame for a new boat onto.

It must have been going to the Annapolis Show with Bob and his lovely admiral and seeing all the goodies. Anyway, after not having a Compac in the fleet for a year and a half, the irresistible urge got the best of me.

We started out looking for a clean CP23 diesel but were unable to find one in acceptable condition, what with leaky ports and destroyed teak, rotten soles and sagging compression posts, collision damage, and the list went on....... Having sailed on Bob23's boat, we were pretty set on that size and performance.

We went out to dinner one night at a seafood restaurant/marina about four miles up the Great Wicomico, and what should be in a slip but a very clean 1990 23 with an outboard and no trailer. Left a note onboard expressing interest, and got a call a couple weeks later from the elderly original owner who was indeed at a point where he wanted out of sailing. He'd only sailed the boat once this past season.

The test sail led to a financial sale and the boat was ours. We already had an aluminum tandem axle trailer in anticipation of finding the fabled 23D, so I set the pads to Bob's emailed dimensions and plotted to sail the boat the thirty miles down the bay and up the Rappahannock to our house, where I would anchor it in our creek for another month of Fall sailing.

We left the marina with twenty knots out of the NNE- great for going South- and 3-5 rolling waves. A single reef and full 135 had us moving steadily at six knots and as much as seven in good gusts while surfing down waves- all according to the GPS!  We made excellent time from the Wicomico to Windmill Point- the huge marker at the entrance to the Rappahannock.
We turned in and furled in about 20% of the jib and were beam reaching up the river when the aluminum rudder snapped off at the bottom of the rudder head- whoops, no steering and still big wind and waves.

We immediately furled the remainder of the headsail, dragged the tethered rudder into the cockpit to get it away from the outboard, lowered the 6HP four stroke and fired it up, steered into the wind and lowered the main. We motored across the mouth of the river- about three miles- and entered Broad Creek into Deltaville, where we tied up at the fuel dock at one of the many marinas.

Made arrangements to leave the boat and have it travel-lifted onto our trailer. Interestingly, the rudder was never under any weather helm stress on the short journey, though it did act a little more squirrely than usual on the downwind run-I suspect that it was flexing and bending at this point and barely hanging on.

Examination of the break revealed extreme metal fatigue throughout most of the length of the break, with only a very small amount of the rudder having any integrity along the break line. The boat got loaded up on the trailer and Admiral Rebecca and I lowered the rig, tied it all down, and I towed her home with my little 6cyl. Ranger pickup.

She is now in my yard, washed and covered to keep the leaves out. Talked to Gerry at Compac and had a new rudder shipped out, which is already installed. The boat is very clean and pretty much dead original. I am in the process of doing my usual upgrades to include lazy jacks and Mack pack type sail cover, instruments, 110V battery charger and shore power, tack tick wind instrument (my old neck can't handle looking up like it used to), proper drain for sink, chartplotter, and real potty with holding tank. This, of course, is a partial list- I love projects!!  

The boat will be used for Beck and I to explore the many creeks of the Chesapeake and will split it's time between a mooring in our creek and a $300/year real slip in a real marina on the Wicomico. This is our fourth Compac, having had two 19s and a 27, and she will be named Beagle 3. And Bob, thanks for turning me on to the 23s- they sail great except when the rudder snaps!!

[peterg]

Hey Skip- that "mid-boom sheeting" was about the only modification that the previous owner made on what was then Drema, now Beagle 3. It actually is  still end boom sheeting, as the mainsheet is still attached to the boom end. This set-up does, however, get rid of the annoying interference of the mainsheet while trying to access the out board controls, as well as allow somewhat better sail shape- the vang is definitely still needed. On my old CP19, Beagle 1, I modified it to true mid-boom sheeting with the traveller over the sliding hatch. The current Harken track set-up on B-3 seems to work well, though it does divide the cockpit somewhat. I think I'll make a teak table to mount on the traveller when at anchor.
  Got the new chartplotter and mounted it on a low dropboard that is removeable, and also allows entrance to the cabin when in use and underway. Have to get the electrical end hooked up this week. Also working on lazy jack system and drop bag for main. Shore power/AC panel/outlets/battery charger installed and completed and complete bilge pump system finished. Ordered new gasket material (3/8" square) for ports. Bi-data speed/depth with thru-hull transducers installed and completed.
Bronze thru-hull for sink drain installed. Dang, I love working on boats as much as sailing them!!!  A Merry and Blessed Christmas to all you Compac-ters out there!!  And Bob23, if you don't sail down here next Fall, I'll be forced to come up to NJ and hunt you down like the dog you are!!

[Bob23]

Woof woof! I'm really scared!
  Glad to see your using your retirement correctly. I have the same GPS that you recommended but have not installed it yet. Starting tomorrow, I'm off for 10 days so hopefully I'll get some boat work done. If I could get off my lazy carcass, I have a traveller and mainsheet block that I bought at the Forked River nautical flea market a few years ago for 5 clams that would make a nice addition to Koinonia. Just need a new, longer track. Might be nice to have true mid-boom sheeting.
  And, even though you've probably been a very bad boy this past year, a very happy and blessed Christmas to you and the Admiral.
Bob23...the blessed.

[Bob23]

Hey Pedro:
   I have a question about your traveller location. I'm tentetively planning to install the one I bought at the flea market a few years ago. I was gonna install it at the forward end of the cockpit cutout, or in other words- the aft end of the bridge deck. This would put it sorta in the middle of the boom aka- mid boom sheeting! Brilliant, huh.
  Does this make sense to you considering where yours is located?
Obrigado.
Bob23

[peterg]

Well, B23...I don't know if I should reply, considering that you barked at me in the preceding post!!  Anyway, I think your traveler would be better suited forward of the position of my installation (aft end of bridgedeck), assuming of course, that you would be attaching a bail to the boom more towards the middle of the boom. Ideally, I'd mount it over the aft end of the sliding hatch, with the mainsheet assembly angled back, ala' Beagle 1. You would have to fabricate or purchase a bridge to mount the traveler upon. Either way, you'll end up with an obstruction to hatch ingress/egress, but will get that danged mainsheet out of the way of the outboard controls, and get a little better sail shape on the main. I plan on disconnecting the mainsheet from the traveler when at anchor, pulling the boom to the side, and mounting a cockpit table to the traveler rail.

[Bob23]

Bow wow. Gotcha.
   I really don't want to impede the entrance to the cavernous cabin of my 23. And I would attach a bail to the boom...I have loads of sailboat hardware goodies from my father in laws stash and there's a bail in thar.
   Good idea with the cockpit table mounted on the track. That'd be a nice place for me to open my dog food. Cal-can, here we come!
Bob23
(ps: Do you like your GPS? I haven't installed mine yet..shoot the boat's not even covered yet! Maybe tomorrow.)

[brackish]

Yeah, I'm still thinking about it.  Aft end of the bridge deck.  I would put a custom bail that would have three eyes linear and put three singles in about a foot to a triple at the traveler car.  The custom bail to also help to reinforce the boom by spreading the load. Had this configuration on several boats before, liked it.

What I want is:

Mainsheet control in front of me with the jib sheets.  tired of turning around to pop the main or adjust the sheeting. Angle is a little tough for that.
Get rid of that spread mainsheet on the end of the boom that gets in the way of the motor controls, boarding ladder, and magma grill when I'm using it and hangs up on the tiller particularly in light wind runs.
Have a traveler which gives better performance with more main sheeting options.

Concern:

Bimini use, can I move it to the back of the track or move the track back and use it without having to modify it.

I'm not concerned about access to the companionway.  Particularly when anchored, or at dock, with a topping lift installed, you can slide it to one side to get full access.  If we need access while sailing, fall off, ease the main and reset the traveler.  Hey I don't race this boat, opening the door for a second or two not a problem.

I think I would be concerned about access with it on top of the companionway, if I'm picturing it correctly.  Additionally, the distance to the boom is very short, not sure I could make it effective without cutting the sail and raising the boom.  Plus, unless you lead the sheet some place else the cleating angle actually gets worse.

[Bob23]

Brrrrrrrack: (sorry, it's 13 degrees here).
I can't picture the multi bail setup you described. Do you have any photos of past boats you can post or email to me? It sounds interesting and spreading out the load of the boom makes sense.
Thanks,
Bob23

[brackish]

Brrrrrrrack: (sorry, it's 13 degrees here).
I can't picture the multi bail setup you described. Do you have any photos of past boats you can post or email to me? It sounds interesting and spreading out the load of the boom makes sense.
Thanks,
Bob23

Bob, this is from a Columbia 8.7 similar to mine, however mine had three strap type hounds on the boom each with a single block.  This boom seems to have a slot in the bottom, mine did not.  I envision having a weld shop put three pad eyes on a SS strip and attaching that to the boom on the 23.



This is also from an 8.7, showing the traveler car arrangement, however, mine only had single blocks on the traveler rather than doubles, but the car block and cleat was similar.  My track was also much lower profile that the one pictured.

[Bob23]

Thanks, Brrrack. (up to 29). That certainly helps.

Bob23

[brackish]

Thanks, Brrrack. (up to 29). That certainly helps.

Bob23

LOL, going to be 8F here on Tuesday morning, with enough wind to get the feels "like" well below 0.  Mississippi?   I'm already setting up supplemental space heat, I don't think my heat pump is up to that.   My power bill will be a shock this month.  

Next step on the mid boom sheeting decision tree will be to remove the end boom sheet lines, and install the bimini in the aftermost position and check the clearance on the front end down to the back of the bridge deck.  If I can't make it work with a bimini, the shade wins.  Admiral will not go with me without shade.