cp 16

[Solid_Tude]

Hey that is the first twin I have seen for our first Com-Pac.  We had hull #2108 of the anniversary issue.  Man those are pretty boats.

Here is a pic of "Puppy Luff "



Mike

Your "Puppy Luff" is looking fine Mike.  Yeah, these 10th Anniversary Editions are pretty and rare.  Only seen a couple others online. 

[Solid_Tude]

Other "goodies" for handling the big air we get on the big lake

Are those lower shrouds just for lateral stabilization when raising/lowering the mast, or are they part of the heavy air modifications too?

Both.

[Solid_Tude]

to swabbie thanks for info I do not want to sink  my boat I just wondered if it would go over and what would it take love this little boat see ya jimdoesmo

jimdoesmo, the "swabbie" designator is in reference to how many posts a forum member posts.  New members get this designation automatically but I can see how you would call me that not knowing how this works.  A lot of forums use inexperienced slang/terms appropriate for new forum users.  It's just part of the fun. 

In heavy air, put the hatch board(s) in and slide the top hatch cover closed.  So if you do get knocked down, it's much harder for water to enter the cabin and sink you.

And you are very welcome for this info.

[kickingbug1]

      hatch boards in and mainsheet at hand, always good advice

[Solid_Tude]

Solid_Dude, I love what you've done to the boat, Gucci hardware indeed! I'm aligned with your way of thinking! The double jiffy reef rocks! I'm not much for comfy cabins and would rather rough it singlehanded with quality sailing gear when weather moves in..

Thanks bimmerhead.  What made me chuckle, is that the carpenter that is designing and going to be making my trailering mast supports to hold both the mast and the furled 130 genny said to me and the marina manager, "This is going to be one GUCCI sixteen foot daysailer!"  Nice coincidence eh?

Here's some shots of Ön beside a boat that Jason (the carpenter) and his dad designed and built that he is in the process of refurbishing before they got working on Ön.  This is a 26 year old boat that they designed and built believe it or not in his dad's apartment.  BTW, you can see the previous owners mast support  that was attached to the rudder on my boat Ön in the first pic below.  This was a real pain and time consuming at the ramp.  The new mast support will be located in the cockpit and the other one will be fitted to the mast step.  Notice the articulating extension at the bow on Jason's red boat for using the spinnaker that was pretty cool back then:





I too agree, obviously, with having quality gear to sail out of a bad situation rather than riding it out in the cabin, but also understand that in extreme situations, riding it out in the cabin, may be your only safe option.

We're also thinking of making a storage bag for the boom and main sail, so I can just flake the sail on the boom, disconnect the boom vang and the main sheet gear and just slide the bag over the boom and main, so that the jiffy reefing lines will still be tied in.  This will save time at the boat launch ramps along with having the furled sail along with the mast secured to the mast cradles for trailering.  The whole idea is to minimize time both rigging and de-rigging, so that it will be faster and easier, and that will make sure it is sailed more.  There are a lot of lakes up here in northeastern Minnesota and I want to sail a lot of them along with sailing out of some north shore of Lake Superior ports and of course to sail the Apostle Island National Lakeshore that is just a little over an hour's drive from where I currently live.

They are also designing a gin-pole system utilizing the trailer winch for stepping and unstepping the mast.  Sure, I'm healthy enough now to muscle the mast up and down, but I'm looking to have this boat for years and I want to be able to step this mast easily and without much fuss now and when I get older.  At my age, (nearly 58), I wanted to be realistic in my being able to rig this boat easily and safely for years to come.

What's funny at the marina is that I've gotten so many compliments on this boat from owners of much much larger vessels.  The traditional lines and the new gear really appeal.

I've always been impressed with Harken gear's quality and function.  I tricked out a Force 5 years ago back in the early 1980's using Harken gear and on other boats since and I've just always upgraded to their engineering over the years and so have many of my sailing friends as well.  To me, it's just a given.

We get some heavy air up here and you really need to be able to depower for that.  I've never been a fan of roller reefing and I wanted a boom vang too to help shape and control the main, so I had to nix the roller reefing anyway.  This rebuild and upgrade is totally geared for the conditions on Lake Superior and for ease of use in stepping the mast single-handed and sailing mostly single-handed.  I cannot wait to see what Jason (their carpenter) comes up with.

I did a lot of research in finding a small trailerable sailboat that I could haul with a smaller SUV (I have a Honda CR-V) but also seaworthy enough to be able to handle Lake Superior.  All sailboats are compromises and this boat just works for what I want to do with it.

I don't plan to use the cabin much other than to store Coast Guard safety items and misc gear.  The interior is on the "back burner" in terms of restoring this stout little vessel.  I am not looking forward to scraping the flaking interior paint off and repainting.  I'll probably hire some teens that need some extra $ next spring for that because I'm not as agile or as small as I used to be to get into the tight spaces in my CP16. 

[Solid_Tude]

      hatch boards in and mainsheet at hand, always good advice

Absolutely!

[Solid_Tude]

(ps Tude: Can I come to live in your shop? That place is tooooo nice!)

Sure!  But you may want to ask Eric Thomas, the manager of Barker's Island Marina in Superior, WI where to store your gear first! 

[Solid_Tude]

Solid_Tude,
Sure is a good looking 16.
What size jib on your furler? How did you decide on the location of the tracks? Can you work a Genoa from that track location?
Are the tracks 18 inch? Are the tracks secured to backer blocking or just screwed to the gunwhale?

Hey carry-on and thanks for the compliment.

I'm guessing that it is a 130 genny just by eyeballing it.  I did not buy the genny or the furler as it was installed by the previous owner.  The furler is a CDI FF1 flexible furler and is about 4 years old. The location of the tracks are predicated on the size of the genoa you have, and for the best sheeting angles.  Yes, I can work the genny from this track position and while this sounds odd at first, in practice it is sheeted in, INSIDE the shrouds.  Any genny larger than a 130 would be sheeted outside the shrouds. 

Yes, the tracks are 18 inches. 

The tracks are through-bolted on with SS backer washers.

A 3/16 hole was drilled where the bolts for the Harken track go.  Then they removed some of the floatation foam (augured through it) underneath the cockpit combing and used a coat hanger to get the #10 bolts through.  They then had to use a very long ratchet extension to get the nuts on after they used over-sized SS washers or "fender washers" to back up to the fiberglass. This was a very messy and difficult instillation because of the very tight quarters and it's one reason I chose to go with these professionals that would do this part of my upgrade correctly the first time.

All new installations either use SS backer washers or made in the shop SS backing plates on the boat and were sealed with "LifeSeal" by BoatLIFE, which is a silicone/urethane blend. They use LifeSeal because it cleans up very easy and is very flexible.  They don't use 3M 5200 sealant because it tears the hell out of the boat later on if you want to replace something and because it is very messy to work with and it gets brittle.

[Cevin c Taylor]

I too agree, obviously, with having quality gear to sail out of a bad situation rather than riding it out in the cabin, but also understand that in extreme situations, riding it out in the cabin, may be your only safe option.

I don't mean to hijack the thread, but I'm wondering when it would be best to ride things out in the cabin.  Do you mean to anchor and then just close yourself up in the cabin?  What if it's too deep to anchor?  Obviously, the best approach is to avoid such situations, but I'm just trying to learn in case I ever find myself in such trouble.

[capt_nemo]

wolverine 00 xj,

With appropriate sea room he probably means to "heave to" under storm canvas and go below to ride out a storm. He would, of course, maintain a 360 degree watchful eye for other boat traffic and potential dangers. At least that's how I read it.

capt_nemo

[Solid_Tude]

I too agree, obviously, with having quality gear to sail out of a bad situation rather than riding it out in the cabin, but also understand that in extreme situations, riding it out in the cabin, may be your only safe option.

I don't mean to hijack the thread, but I'm wondering when it would be best to ride things out in the cabin.  Do you mean to anchor and then just close yourself up in the cabin?  What if it's too deep to anchor?  Obviously, the best approach is to avoid such situations, but I'm just trying to learn in case I ever find myself in such trouble.

First, I don't see a question ever as "hijacking the thread", as this forum is a place for all of us to learn and be exposed to new thinking with our sport (at least I'm assuming this, as I've been lurking here for a bit to see what the dynamics are to this forum before I posted).  Those of us that have been sailing and racing sailboats a long time should be happy to give any newcomer to the sport or even a fellow sailing veteran help and advice.  And isn't that what this forum is all about anyway?  I've only been sailing 44 years and I've learned new things about our sport every one of those years. 

You are correct in the best approach is to avoid such situations in the first place, but if you are realistic, sometimes even with your best intentions, you can get caught out in a storm that comes up quickly and unexpectedly, specially on a lake like Lake Superior that can really challenge the best of sailors.  Riding it out in your cabin, AFTER you've deployed either an anchor, sea anchor or heaving too, is just a safer place to ride out the worst of the storm and avoid hypothermia, which is a big concern if you sail in a cold body of water like Lake Superior.  But IF you are being blown to a lee shore that is dangerous (ie rocks), yes, use your anchor and ride it out making sure that you are not dragging towards that lee shore. 

If there is a lee shore and you're concerned about being set too close, place the bow into the weather (usually, a degree or two to port or starboard) so it takes the seas with the least uncomfortable motion.

Sometimes it's just too deep to anchor but you do have a few options here if that is the case as well.  If there is adequate sea room downwind, you can run ahead of the seas (even under a bare pole)— always slow enough for the seas to outrun the boat — to ensure a comfortable ride. The most dangerous course of action is to let the boat exceed the speed of the seas. This can result in loss of control or broaching.

A sea anchor is another good storm tactic and keeps your bow to weather better able to ride out waves.  Para-tech Engineering Company has a full line of sea anchors and I've got my eye on their "Sea Brakes" that start at $139.00.  Here's a link to their site and the page on "Sea Brakes": http://www.seaanchor.com/boatbrakes.htm

Another tactic is to heave to, but that would be predicated on how strong the winds are and sea conditions of course, and then ride out the worst of it in the cabin.  You can also heave to WITH a sea anchor and that is another tactic. 

There are many books out there on storm tactics and if you are sailing waters that you are concerned even slightly about what to do, I recommend reading up on what to do and the various ways to do it.

One excellent book about this subject that I would recommend is written by the renowned blue-water sailing couple, Lin and Larry Pardey called "Storm Tactics Handbook: Modern Methods of Heaving-to for Survival in Extreme Conditions".

[Solid_Tude]

wolverine 00 xj,

With appropriate sea room he probably means to "heave to" under storm canvas and go below to ride out a storm. He would, of course, maintain a 360 degree watchful eye for other boat traffic and potential dangers. At least that's how I read it.

capt_nemo

Good instinct capt_nemo, you read me perfectly and it's nice to read you as well.

[bimmerhead]

Gents,

I hate to be redundant, but this thread shines with greatness on so many levels!
As a rookie sailor, (second season), I appreciate the quality of instruction, pic's and camaraderie going on here!

Thanks for sharing everyone!