cp 16

[jimdoesmo]

was out today wind 20 gust to 25 felt good what does it take to dump this 16 see ya

[capt_nemo]

That's what I like to hear (read) about, someone out there sail'in and hav'in FUN!


capt_nemo

[Bob23]

Jim:
   After you dump your 16, you can tell us what it took to do it! Best not to find out because, filled with water, she will sink!
Bob23

[bimmerhead]

Even better Jimdoesmo, record it for the rest of us!

Now we'll finally know how far she'll go!

I think most sailors try to keep her on her lines with good sailing techique in adverse weather...but if you want to be the designated crash-test dummy, by all means, feel free!

Don't get hurt!

Just get it on avi and share the results.   tip.. mount the camera on the upper mast so we can calculate heel angle.. because she ain't going over til the mast hits the water, unless she was out of CG to begin with.. trust me.. tie off everything before you attempt this..

I've been working on this myself on my '77 CP-16..

[Salty19]

Me thinks only a large wave would knock it down.

[deisher6]

Hey Jimdoesmo:
Keep the drop boards in and the hatch closed.
regards charlie

[Bob23]

   Seriously, this would be an interesting experiment. This summer, I had to replace a topping lift on my freinds Precision 15k. This boat weighs 600 lbs and carries a small lead wing keel weighing 250 lbs. In order to reach the masthead, I tied off a halyard and pulled on the top of the mast until I could reach it. Considering that I was standing in the water, that means the mast was parallel to the water and the boat was completely on it's side. There was always positive tension on the halyard and when released, the boat popped up on her lines.
   I would imagine a 16 would do even better but who out there in 16-land is brave enough to try it? A cuppa grog and a positive karma to the first taker!
bob23...and, no! I won't try it on my 23. She's too heavy anyway and I've already had the mast close enough to the water for my liking, thank you!

[Ted]

I came pretty close to dumping my 16 about 3 months ago. There were three adults on the boat, no companionway hatch, and winds were very reasonable - about 10 to 15 at most. We were sailing along and I was giving instruction to one of the "crew" while the other crew member, my wife, lounged up on the foredeck. We got hit with a microburst from the side that I did not see coming (my bad). It should have been fine, but the guy holding the tiller turned away from the wind as we started to lean pretty hard and we got it full on amidships. The mast slapped down on the water and the cockpit filled faster than I would ever have imagined possible. The wet sail more or less pinned us sideways for what seemed like minutes but was probably less than a second or two. My wife had slid off the front end of the boat and into the lake (getting a nasty bruise as she went). I fell across cockpit and grabbed the tiller to turn us upwind but we had lost most forward motion. I was desperately trying to free up the main and jib as the boat laboriously started to roll back up. By then the cockpit was full past the level of the hatch door and we were taken on some water. I was scared. As we turned to windward the sails starting flapping and we righted pretty fast. The water ran out of the cockpit and we picked up my wife - who was none too happy. We had a "low, slow, go" as we sponged out the cabin. There was a lots of water in there and my boat never has standing water in it - it was kind of sickening to see it. Fortunately, the electronics and whatnot are mounted high in the cabin and there was no permanent damage.

What I learned from this was how fast things can go downhill. I used to own a 26 footer and sailed it in the Adriatic. We had crazy winds at times, but the boat was large enough that you felt that you were able to manage just about everything (I had one close call coming into a marina once, when the engine died and wouldn't restart). Other than that, the larger boat seemed slower and it just felt more controlled. With the 16, things happen much faster.

For most things, the mistakes one makes on a small boat like a 16 are so easily forgiven. It's fantastic sailing without much between you and the boat - it's more "raw" in the sense that you have your "hands on" the sailing. You hold a rope versus a winch, for example. But, don't be fooled, you are sailing a boat on the water and you can sink her.

[Solid_Tude]

Was out on my 10th Anniversary Edition 1984 CP 16 (hull# 2133) single-handing on Lake Superior last Sunday with pretty brisk conditions of 48°F with a steady breeze coming out of the WSW at 22 knots and gusting over 30 knots with choppy seas running from 2 to 4 feet along with swells on the big lake out of the south channel of the Duluth/Superior harbor.  With a double reef tied in on my new custom full batten SailCare main, and just about a foot and a half to two feet of my roller furling 130 genny deployed, she was a bit overpowered, but exciting as hell.  I did manage to get water to come in over both port and starboard cockpit combings rounding up on some pretty wicked gusts that I'm estimating were at around 35 knots or better. 

It would take some very serious wind to knock down one of these CP 16's; a big wave or a combination of both IMHO.

And that's EXACTLY why I chose this sturdy and stout little sixteen footer to tackle the big winds we get on the big lake. 

These are shots of my CP16 that I bought September 2011 and hauled back here to Duluth, MN from northern Indiana that I am in the process of restoring and upgrading for heavy air use on Lake Superior named Ön (pronounced "Ooon") that was taken on a much calmer day.

I've also included  some detailed shots of some improvements that I had the fine folks and serious sailing experts at Barker's Island Marina of Superior, WI install for me, for those of you that are into upgrading gear.  The man that supervised my rigging improvements just completed the Pacific Cup (Double-handed from San Francisco to Hawaii) only with his wife this summer on an Olson 30 and the manager of the marina also races his own Olson 30.

 

New Harken Carbo Hexaratchet
 
New Harken Carbo boom end block for the main sheet
 
Other "goodies" for handling the big air we get on the big lake

[Greene]

Hey that is the first twin I have seen for our first Com-Pac.  We had hull #2108 of the anniversary issue.  Man those are pretty boats.

Here is a pic of "Puppy Luff "



Mike

[NateD]

Other "goodies" for handling the big air we get on the big lake

Are those lower shrouds just for lateral stabilization when raising/lowering the mast, or are they part of the heavy air modifications too?

[jimdoesmo]

to swabbie thanks for info I do not want to sink  my boat I just wondered if it would go over and what would it take love this little boat see ya jimdoesmo

[Bob23]

Wow! Ted, glad you made out ok. That must've been a scary one. But, just think if you hadn't been in a ballasted boat? You could've turtled! And sunk. It does seem like every disaster is a combination of bad luck, bad choices and maybe being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
bob23
(ps Tude: Can I come to live in your shop? That place is tooooo nice!)

[bimmerhead]

This has turned into a great post on so many differant levels.. I don't think any of us want to dump our boats, the weather is getting down right cold in my region, so swamping the boat this time of year is out of the question.. But we all want to know how far she'll go..

Ted, I've had something like that happen to me, except I wasn't actually knocked down, just scared s#itless and solo, but that's what started me thinking about being knocked down.. I'm glad no one was hurt..

Bob23, you know every CP-16 is a little differant, how they're setup, weighted, rigged and crewed makes a huge difference with these boats, when I sail with "movable ballast", I find it harder because I can feel how the extra weight effects every aspect of how she handles, and if someone isn't paying attention, all hell can break loose in a big puff.. That's another reason I started to think about being knocked down.

Solid_Dude, I love what you've done to the boat, Gucci hardware indeed! I'm aligned with your way of thinking! The double jiffy reef rocks! I'm not much for comfy cabins and would rather rough it singlehanded with quality sailing gear when weather moves in..


I'm surprised Skip1930 hasn't made a visit here..

[carry-on]

Solid_Tude,
Sure is a good looking 16.
What size jib on your furler? How did you decide on the location of the tracks? Can you work a Genoa from that track location?
Are the tracks 18 inch? Are the tracks secured to backer blocking or just screwed to the gunwhale?