Jib sail

[Darko]

Hello all,
Getting ready for the new season in Boston, I decided to order my new sails now from National Sails!!  I am a bit confused though. I have a 87 model II.    Dirk from National Sail said the Jib is the same size for model I and II. I didn't think this was possible due to the bow sprit addition.  After I ordered them I went and measured my old original Johnson sail that came with the boat.  The size was a lot different (larger) than new sail dimensions. Not sure how much sails stretch??   So I called Hutchings in FL and they gave yet another set of measurements.  So I called Dirk back and he told me the standard Jib size was changed to improve performance of the boat.  He said he could make the sail to my old dimensions if I wanted.  I decided to stick with the smaller jib.  My thought was that it will perform better in high winds.  I was then going to order the Genoa for lighter winds.  Does anyone know why there are varying standard 110 jib sizes being quoted, and did they indeed decide that the smaller jib helped overall boat performance?  I was concerned that the new jib will be 1 foot lower from the top of the mast now. Looking at other post it seems others may have noticed this but I did not find an explanation.  My old sail seems to fall halfway between the new jib and the Genoa 155%   I am new to sailing as this is my first sail boat so I appreciate all the great info I get from you guys.
PS: I am trying to come up with an idea for a  hand pump and hose to fill an integral fuel tank from a small mini gas can to avoid having to potentially fill(spill) with a tank and funnel when in heavy waves.  I can see that going very bad.  Has  anyone done this??
The Jib dimensions are as follows:
OLD: 14'-12'7"-7'1"
NEW: 12'-11'1"-6'6"
Thanks

Dan

[skip1930]

With so many choices for headsail sizes on a CP-16, I have nothing to suggest.

On my CP-19 with bow sprit is the Johnson headsail at 155%. I do a lot of heavy air sailing on just the headsail. I've put he rail under with just the headsail.

In really high wind speeds I usually shorten the main with no headsail.

And on light days I dig out the asymmetrical spinnaker and fly the main as well and furl the headsail. I've never tried the spinnaker in heavy air.

I bolted on a bow sprit on my buddies Mk 1 CP-19 and his old Johnson headsail fit just fine. Sails don't stretch as much as 'fag out', I guess its a stretch.

Well when his house went up in smoke, so did his sails. Dorsal Sail in Sturgeon Bay made a new set. Now I'm not sure just what he has. But they sure are crisp.

skip.

[Darko]

Yeah<
I guess I should buy the Genoa too and I can try out all three in different wind speeds.  I tried to sail at the end of last season with just the head sail in very heavy winds and I just got spun around.  I had very little rudder control at all.  Being new to sailing I was scared to raise the main at first because of heavy wind gusts.   Eventually being frustrated with getting blown off course again and again I dropped the jib and raised the main and it made a huge difference.  I had full control at the rudder and she tracked surprisingly stable and fast.  I know what your thinking....what was I doing out there in heavy winds with very little experience?  I was thinking the same thing at the time.  But I sure learned a lot about the 16 that day.  Such a safe and stable craft.  Cant wait till my new crisp (not burnt!!) sails arrive.

[JBC]

I would be interested in what ComPac Yachts told you the measurements were for your 110% jib.  A recent discussion on this topic included the important change from a 3/4 to 7/8 forestay rig at some point (your boat should have the latter rig).  I would think that would mean a luff more in line with your old sail's 14 foot length, but don't know for sure.  Looking at the last post in this forum (#40), there are measurements for sails for the original 16s, but there is a caution posted there about using those measurements for ordering sails.  In any case, the jib measurements there should not be the same for your CP16/2, with the sprit.  I have a '90 with the sprit, but use a furler, so not sure those measurements would help you any.

I can tell you, however, that in a high wind, I have a hard time on main alone heading up to wind.  And though my furling sail is not meant to sail reefed, I find it helps a bunch to have at least some headsail working so I can then luff the main some in strong gusts and still maintain some upwind direction/speed if needing to.  You are certainly right that the CP16 is a good, safe boat...it's forgiven my stupid mistakes plenty!

Jett 

[jthatcher]

good morning Dan,
  are you sailing in Boston MA?    if so, i would be interested in hearing about your experiences up there..    good luck with your questions on the jib.   i just ordered a  new one a few weeks ago - looking forward to seeing how it performs during the upcoming season!  jt

[Darko]

Yes,
I am just south of Boston.  I have been in power boats for years and did lots of scuba diving up and down the coast.  Now I am getting into sailing and loving it.  So far I have only sailed around Hingham MA area as I am still learning the ropes or should I say sheets.  Its amazing,  its a whole new language to.  I need to get a sailing dictionary!  My goal is to make a trip from Plymouth across to Provincetown this summer (26+ miles) in July with the girlfriend.  I will be going out every chance I get till then.
Dan

[Darko]

Hey Jett,
Thanks, I think I have a 7/8 rig.??   I am assuming that means the forestay cable goes 7/8% of mast height instead of 3/4%.  I was thinking of an idea of maybe raising Jib with a short extension rope with clips about a foot or so to improve visibility and try to clear bow pulpit.  The shorter jib would allow this easily.   I think I read something in here about that,  I don't know the terminology yet.  Not really sure what the benefit of having shorter fractional rigs would be.  A higher rig would allow larger sails.  I will have to look that one up.
Dan

[deisher6]

Hey Dan:
Check out these posts on the C16 forum:

jib drama , need help with dimensions
« on: February 22, 2012, 09:52:47 AM »

and

jib dilema
« on: February 06, 2012, 09:37:14 AM »

Wish that I could just post the links?
I wound up with the small jib, because it was a gift, but bought a genoa.  Very much looking forward to trying them out as soon as the ice is gone.

regards charlie

[jthatcher]

hi dan,  sounds like a great goal for the summer.  my wife and i are hoping to come up and ride the cape cod rail trail this summer..   i did it years ago, and i am anxious to share the experience with my wife..     i bring a group of students to new england each year, and we make it a priority to spend a day in Boston.   it struck me one year that getting a mooring in the harbor for a week or two would be a good way of visiting the city at a "relatively"  lower cost than staying in motels..  and a whole lot more fun too!   i guess that we will save that experience for a few years from now when the kids are out of the house and my wife and i can do some cruising..   
  good luck with the trip to provincetown.   jt