1988 CP 19 / II SOLD

[dwkfym]

I can almost buy it but being a first boat 19 seems a bit daunting compared to the 16.  also its quite a drive away, even though i am usually all for driving far.

[Greene]

I can almost buy it but being a first boat 19 seems a bit daunting compared to the 16.  also its quite a drive away, even though i am usually all for driving far.

The 16's are a great little boat to learn on, but the 19 is (at least in my opinion) easier to sail for a beginner.  Although heeling can become fun as you gain experience, it tended to really bother Brenda while we were learning.  On the 19 the sailing is quite flat which is really nice.  She wants to sail at less than 10 degrees of heel and it takes a load of wind along with the main sheeted in to get her to 20 degrees.  If you do go with the 16 I would highly recommend getting a newer set of sails.  If you have an old main up in gusty conditions it acts like a parachute and bags out holding the gust and creating a lot of heel.  A newer main will turn more of that gust into forward motion and tend to spill the excess rather than heel you over. 

Whichever you decide upon you will really enjoy the solid build and the classic good looks of a Com-Pac. 

Mike

[skip1930]

" the 19 is (at least in my opinion) easier to sail for a beginner " that's because the CP-19 is less tender than the CP-16.

skip.

[Billy]

I couldn't agree more with Skip. I learned on my 19 and all is well. After two years I bought a 16 and only sailed it a few times. I thought I would sail it more because it was easier to rig. It didn't point well at all so I sold it. It felt like it only went down wind with no control.

Plus, with a 16 after a year or two you will want to step up to a bigger boat and Greene's will be long gone (the 19s are few and far between while the 16s are a dime a dozen). A 19 you will be happy with for a long time.......unless your name is Michael Greene!

[Salty19]

Indeed nice CP19's like Greene's don't come around too often. Surprised it's not sold yet.

[Greene]

If I wasn't 6' 3" and love to sleep aboard, I wouldn't even consider selling our 19.  They are great trailer sailers.

Mike

[dwkfym]

How much harder is it to rig and trailer? How about storage of the boat?  Sorry, I realize the second question is kind of stupid; I guess parking lot storage unit places or a slip, at least until I get a house where I can store it in the driveway/back yard.. (which I do plan on buying, but may be a few months before that).

[Greene]

The rigging and running gear are almost identical for the two boats.  The 19's mast is a little heavier, but still easily raised by two people without a gin pole.  I have raised the mast on the 19 by myself.  The sails go on the same way as does the mainsheet.  Unless an owner has installed additional controls (boom vang for example) there isn't anything more to the 19 than the 16. 

Trailering for a 16 is like towing nothing behind your car.  We used to tow it with a 4 cylinder SUV.  The 19 we towed and launched with a Mazda MPV minivan (good gosh I hated that van) and later with a 2001 Toyota 4 Runner with a very small 6 cylinder.  They both tow easily and you certainly can go 65 mph without working the vehicle.  Launching seemed about the same to me.  Both boats need to float off which means backing fairly far down the ramp.  Retrieval was a little easier for the 16 only because the 19's boweye tends to line up under the bow roller as it is coming forward.  I found that if I had Brenda stand in the very aft of the cockpit that it raised the boweye enough to clear the roller. (Man I know Bob is going to make me pay for that sentence!) Some 19'ers have modified the bow roller to line up a little differently as well.

Storage for the 16 is obviously easier as it fits on most standard garage doors and is just a question of your garage's depth.  to store the 19 indoors I built a separate garage for with a 9' wide x 8' high doors.  The garage has to be at least 26' deep, but I went 28'.

Mike

[wes]

Mike - if you don't immediately find a buyer in your area, you might consider listing on the Raleigh NC craigslist. I have run into two or three sailors here in the area (Jordan Lake) who admired my 19 and asked where they might find one for sale. Craigslist is typically where they would be looking. It would be fun to see another 19 out on the lake. Lots of 16s out there, and a beautiful green hulled Rob Roy 23, but I've never run into another CP 19.

Just a thought.

- Wes

[Billy]

The 19 does have a back stay while the 16 does not. However, I set it the first time and have not needed to adjust it since. Sometimes while stepping the mast, it can get wrapped around the tiller or the turn buckle can get twisted upside down. When that happens, I notice before the mast is above my shoulder and I simply lowered the mast back down and unwrapped it. Then I stepped it with out a problem. After that happened a few times I learned to just make sure it is clear before I lift. No problems! Plus, a back stay gives me a little more security when sailing down wind. Also, b/c the 16 doesn't have a back stay, the spreaders are swept back to account for the load. This does not allow the main to be sheeted out as far when sailing down wind because it hits the shrouds.

Which reminds me....the 19 has upper and lower stays and spreaders. The 16 does not. But none of this matters when stepping the mast.

And the 19 has opening ports while the 16 does not.

Get a 19! you won't regret it! You will always wonder if you get a 16.

[Greene]

I find the back stay to be a non-issue when raising the mast. It just lifts unattended like the shrouds.  We do carefully position the shrouds and back stay to prevent them from snagging on anything.  We added a stainless steel Johnson Quick Tensioner to the front stay which makes everything much easier.  We don't use a furler, so it can be used on the front stay.  If we used a furler it could be used on the back stay.  The Johnson lever gives you about 3" of slack to put in the pin and then simply flip the lever to tension things.  Nice and easy.

Mike

[wbrown62]

I would LOVE to be the new owner of your CP 19, but Madison, WI....................wow! That would be a long drive!! You coming toward Texas by any chance? LOL

[Greene]

Well I just drove 1300 miles one way to get the 23.  When I bought the 19 I traveled to Cincinnati to look at one and then drove to Detoit to buy this 19.  I'd be more than happy to tow it the first 300 miles to meet someone with cash in hand, but I'm not crazy enough to tow it to Texas. 

Mike

[Billy]

Mike,
How do you find these boats when they are so far away? I live in Tampa Bay and never saw your 23 for sale. Are you using a broker?

[Greene]

I use SearchTempest.com to search large areas of Craigslist and of course all the usual used boat websites.  The 23 I bought only showed up on one boat site Which I had never visited before.  I'll have to see if I can find that site again.  I guess the best search is to just use your favorite search engine, i.e. google, bing...., and type in a search for whatever model you are interested in.  Sometimes I even use different spellings to find those boats that get lost in the web.  I've found CP's by typing in HUTCHINS, CP 23, COMPACT 23, SHOAL DRAFT SAILBOAT and TRAILERABLE CRUISER.  Gee, I need to get a life!

Mike