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[Salty19]

I decided the best place for the battery is in the little covered box at the stern. 

I would encourage you to rethink this.  CP16's are somewhat tail heavy, especially with crew and a 4 stroke outboard.  Personally I would mount it as far forward as possible for better weight distribution.  Makes a HUGE difference in the sailing qualities of the boat.

Billy,  yep if the Admiral is not happy, no one is happy!

[curtisv]

If you can convince the Admiral that the bow is a better place to get a suntan, it will improve trim and if takes a liking to it, this will allow you to mount the compass on the bulkhead.  A good arrangement when sailing with another couple is Admiral and entourage on the bow, Captain and crew in the cockpit.

Just be careful if you let on that the women are being used to improve trim.  :-)

Curtis

[Bob23]

I'm in the process of relocating my battery (23) from the starboard cockpit locker to more forward...maybe starboard side, forward of the bulkhead. Surprisingly, my panel is located about in the middle of these 2 points. Although the 23 is heavy, this should help trim a bit as well as free up some storage for life vests in the cockpit.  I usually sail alone so having the Admiral tan/trim on the foredeck isn't much of an option.
Any thoughts on this or am I crazy?

Bob23

[rip]

Hey Bob23, If the Admiral won't provide forward ballast, so to speak, I would look for 110 - 130lb bow tanning machine which I am told are plentiful down your way.
Oh nearly forgot, don't like to steal a thread, welcome Carel! How big is that reservoir? Compass? Wow! You will soon, if not already, figure out the humor on this site as well as appreciate all the wonderful advice and counsel.
BTW anybody who might see this, do we have a page dedicated to info on specs and parts and things? I decided to replace the wire covers on our shrouds but I am not near my elderly 23 and I have no idea what size they are, or other than measuring them, where to find that info. Thanks, er, uh, See what I mean Carel? 

[curtisv]

Bob,

My 160 lb 8D battery is amidship where the engine would be if I had a 23D.  Taking the outboard off the transom did the most to improve trim.  The 80' of chain, 3/8 and 5/16 HT sections, and 27 lbs of anchor helps.

I've sailed solo and noted that I can squeeze a little more speed by sitting forward in the cockpit.  The trim is that close.  If anything I still need to move weight forward a little.  The cockpit lockers have some weight in them.  If the tankage were filled, it might put the trim just right.  If I go anywhere and have gear stuffed in the forepeak and a heavy cooler, trim is also going to be just about right.

I kid about it but the Admiral on the bow and me in the cockpit near the tiller give the boat just about perfect trim.  Two and two also keeps her balanced, while four in the cockpit is good for a rather tail heavy trim.

Curtis

ps - headed for BVI tommorrow AM.

[Salty19]

My brother went so far as to put an 80lb bag of concrete in the bow on his (my old) 16.  Trim is much improved! 

If you get water in through the scuppers without a following sea, that's a good sign trim needs to be adjusted.

Thankfully the 19 does not need, or rather should I say, haven't noticed the need for, special weight distribution.   The flat aft section seems to provide good balance as standard.  With that said, this year I was going to experiment with this a bit by moving stuff around a bit to see if it can point any higher.  Put a hatch in the bow berth so lots of room underneath now to cram some liquid refreshment.

So carel, have we convinced you to not put the battery in the stern yet??

"Honey, can you move your butt, I mean ballast forward??"

[curtisv]

If you get water in through the scuppers without a following sea, that's a good sign trim needs to be adjusted.

You are well past "out of trim" at that point.

Try this on a good sailing day, maybe 10 knots of steady wind and fairly flat water.  Use the telltails to trim as near perfect as possible.  Then move your body weight forward as far as you can.  If you have someone else on board have them slowly move to the bow.  If the boat speeds up a little as they move forward, your trim needs to move forward.  If you seem to sail fastest with one person near the tiller and another near the windward shrouds, then trim is perfect.

You have to be able to hold near perfect trim for a little while so this takes a good steady wind on a long tack.  Might be hard to do on a small lake with variable wind but easy to do where I sail (and I like 12-15 knots for this experiment since I fly a 110% jib).

So carel, have we convinced you to not put the battery in the stern yet??

"Honey, can you move your butt, I mean ballast forward??"

Such a statement seems rather lacking in the skillful diplomacy department.

Curtis

[brackish]

Hey Bob23, If the Admiral won't provide forward ballast, so to speak, I would look for 110 - 130lb bow tanning machine which I am told are plentiful down your way.
Oh nearly forgot, don't like to steal a thread, welcome Carel! How big is that reservoir? Compass? Wow! You will soon, if not already, figure out the humor on this site as well as appreciate all the wonderful advice and counsel.
BTW anybody who might see this, do we have a page dedicated to info on specs and parts and things? I decided to replace the wire covers on our shrouds but I am not near my elderly 23 and I have no idea what size they are, or other than measuring them, where to find that info. Thanks, er, uh, See what I mean Carel? 

Go to the FAQ section, there is a thread Com-Pac specs that has all the sailplan, standing, and running rigging specifications.

[newt]

Bob try filling your water tank and see if it makes a difference.  I do like moving the battery, but your main weight is that outboard. I plan on getting rid of mine eventually.

[Salty19]

"Honey, can you move your butt, I mean ballast forward??"

Such a statement seems rather lacking in the skillful diplomacy department.

Curtis
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Hehehe...thankfully the admiral (probably!) wouldn't lace the laundry with itch powder because of it. We joke around quite a bit.  It's not like she married me for my money or looks!

[Bob23]

   Rip: I did indeed find a 125 lb tanning machine but my wife wouldn't let me sail alone with her.
   Newt: I have filled my water bladder and it does make a difference but I thought that moving the battery might help counter balance the outboard. My Nissan 8 is here to stay unless I convert to a Yanmar. There's one for sail on Craigslist...I'm afraid to call about it.
   Curtis: Have a Painkiller on me! I have also played around with sitting forward in the cockpit using the tiller extension and it does make a difference. I've also surfed my 23- with the tiller lashed, I'd steer the boat by standing in the cockpit and moving from side to side. Yes, they are sensitive women, those 23's.
bob23

[curtisv]

 
   Curtis: Have a Painkiller on me!

Bob,

Did I say something annoying or offensive?  If so, I appologize for doing so.

Curtis

[Bob23]

Curtis:
   No, not at all. The Painkiller is  made with Pussers Rum so my comment was in reference to your trip to the BVI. So, have one for me would be more gramatically correct. Check out the Pussers Rum website. And have a great time!
Bob23

[curtisv]

Bob,

OK.  My bad.  Didn't get it the first time.  Will check out the selection and report back in just under 2 week.

BTW - The admiral makes great funny faces when she thinks the drink is too strong.  Will try and get a photo if we do any rum sampling.
Tee hee.

Curtis

[Salty19]

Have a great time, curtis!! We'll be thinking about you