C23 sheeting for genoa / jib ?

[hockeyfool]

How do you veterans route your jib  sheets for allowing variable trim angles/shape on head sail
using the outboard genoa tracks ?
I am trying real  hard to do this without camcleats aft the jib winches ; that spot seems indirect
for sheeting from track to winch ; as the line gets hampered or pinched at the coaming .

[LConrad]

I normally run the sheet back to the winch with two wraps around the winch and hold on. If the wind gets too heavy, or if I get tired, I add a wrap to a cleat on the windward side. So far, that has kept the sheet from wearing on the coaming for normal sheeting amgles.

[BobK]

When I sail with the 135 my blocks are at the stern end of the tracks when I am tacking or I may move them mid track if I am going to be on a long reach.  With the 110 the blocks are located forward of the winch about 10".  I use rubber winchers on the winches since I single hand 95% of the time.  With 7/16" jib sheets 3 wraps around the winch will hold.   

[jgsharpe]

Having trouble with this as well.  The only position that seems to work is well aft of the winch.  Thinking about taller blocks, using springs to stand them off the track for better alignment into the winch.  Anyone tried this?

[Bob23]

Hockey & Jg:
   My 1985 23/2 came with exactly the arrangement that you speak of. A kind previous owner installed Andersen 12ST self tailing winches and tall blocks at the aft end of the genoa track. The line enters the winches at a nice angle and does not get pinched, ever. Sometimes I'll forego the self-tailing part of the winch, take 2 turns around the drum and cleat the sheet off on the opposite (windward) side cleat. I then can adjust the sheet using the cleat as a sort of belaying pin- pulling on the sheet and taking up the slack at the cleat. Letting the sheet out is the opposite action. It's kinda fun and makes sense when you come about- the cleat is right next to you on the windward side of the boat.
   Hope this helps a bit.
Bob23

[newt]

The PO on mine had done the same thing- moved the winches back, made them higher and self tailing. I plan on placing a block on the transom for a drifter....

[cp23enough]

Does anyone have a picture of the raised blocks? Do they have springs to keep them standing up? I'm having the same problem with the sheet not hitting the winch at the right angle.

[brackish]

The blocks on my track cars are stand up.  I have/use the same setup that BobK describes, having added winchers last spring.  However, I still get some sheet overlaps and pinches sometimes.  The setup does not allow the best lead block to winch angle, particularly with the 110, the approach angle to the winch being too large.

[Shawn]

How do you like the winchers? I have considered getting them.

Thanks,

Shawn

[brackish]

How do you like the winchers? I have considered getting them.

Thanks,

Shawn

They are helpful for single handling, but definitely not the same as self tailing winches, but then you don't get self tailing winches for a thirty buck adder.  Take some getting used to.  Once you set the line and start winching, the line will stay in the slot all the way around the winch until it hits the incoming loop, which is kind of disconcerting.  And you pretty much have to fill the spool up which makes the release a little more awkward.  But all in all, they really help with single handling.  I've never had one pop loose during a trim, but I always cleat them after trimming. 

When it says you have to soak them in hot soapy water prior to installing, believe it.  I tried to just slide them on and they would not go.

Well worth the money, they get you most of the way to a self tailing winch for about 5% of the cost differential.

[Shawn]

Thanks, as I am usually single handing it it sounds like they are worth the cost. I wasn't sure they were going to fit the winches since the notes for the smallest size say Lewmar 7 and up and I have Lewmar 6 winches.

Thanks,

Shawn

[brackish]

Thanks, as I am usually single handing it it sounds like they are worth the cost. I wasn't sure they were going to fit the winches since the notes for the smallest size say Lewmar 7 and up and I have Lewmar 6 winches.

Thanks,

Shawn

I can't help you with the fit, my winches are Harken #8's.  As noted, they fit quite tightly on them.