Looking for CP 16-2, or later, in NJ

[Finbar Beagle]

Folks,

I made the mistake of paying attention to Bob23 while barside.  We discussed the value of finding a CP-16 to have a easily towable boat.  I have this now, with a Bauer 12, but see need for cabin, and I think I am done with centerboard issues. 

I took a look at a very sad CP 16-1 in Quakerstown PA.  It is listed in Boat trader online.  Boat photos were promising, but a lot of delamization, cement exposed on keel, and trailer concerns, made it too much of a project boat for me.  However, boatyard is willing to look at low ball offers just to move it out of yard.  May be good fit for hobby shipwrights.

There is another in southern NJ, Comp Time, that is at other end of spectrum.  This can be found on sailboat listings, online.  $6,000 is a bit scary, but boat has a lot of upgrades, and maybe there is room to negotiate, but I do not want to offend the owner by offering what my budget can afford.  I think if I pass on motor, and owner wants to sell, I may be in striking distance.

Does anyone know "Comp time"?
Is anyone thinking of letting their CP 16-2 go, or maybe trading for a 2002 Bauer 12, in great shape with excellent trailer?

Thanks,
Brian

[Bob23]

Brian, you are just now learning what my wife learned long ago: never listen to me!
  I too am on the lookout for an older 16 who is looking for a new home. Won't be the end of the world if I don't find one and there are lots of other boats out there. Really, a Melonseed Skiff tugs at my heartstrings but if I bring another boat home, ya'll will be attending my funeral!!
  Seems to me 6g's for any 16 is a lot but I'm really not up to speed on pricing.

[Finbar Beagle]

Bob,

It looks like the later models in good shape are selling $4-4,500.  Project boats, and some first generation are $1,500 +.  Condition is key variable.

I too am in no hurry, but have decided to sell Bauer 12.  You know how it works, I need to have next boat ready so wife (admiral) does not decide we can survive with 1 less boat.  Plus, it is easier to do while she is stAtioned in Georgia, and she comes home to a done deal,  especially if I keep boat under tarp until spring.  It is difficult being married, and the game is more challenging the more you play.

[Bob23]

Smart move, Brian. So....I need to send my wife away, is what you're saying. Got it!
I'll only buy a 16 if I can steal one.

[Mas]

Hey Brian, there is a 16 in Nova for 1,500. check out the for Sail by Owner listings. The 87' 16 up in NJ for 6K has been on the market for almost a year. Make an offer. We have had both a Mk1 and the Mk 2 version and personally i would go for the Mk2. The sailing characteristics are frankly better and the interior is a nice upgrade.

In the scheme of things an extra thousand for a boat that is a no project boat that has all the features you wish is preferable to me than an el cheapo version with work to be done (it is ALWAYS LESS EXPENSIVE TO LET A PREVIOUS OWNER DO THE WORK) and a design that is less desirable, or at least in my way of thinking! It was far easier to sell Susan on the idea of another boat when it looks great.  Even an extra 2k only comes out to the cost of a pizza and beer once a month for the next 4 years (not that we would ever consider giving that up!)

I also really liked the Mk2 and did not like some of the changes for the Mk3.

Just my 2 cents worth. 

Oh.....and as far as Bob goes.......I'm still working on getting him in trouble!

[Finbar Beagle]

Rick, looks like we are agreed. I have tried to contact the $6,000 cp-16-2 in Bob's part of NJ, phone was not correct and no response yet from email.  I think it may be owner is not real interested in selling.
That boat was a beauty with the wood cabin accents, same as my 19.

Not sure if little hatch is functional on the CP 16-3.

No urgency to the search, but wanted to shake the CPYOA tree.

I suspect Bob does not need help in getting in trouble, it is probably the getting caught part.

All good, and watching the CBMWG  dates...

[Finbar Beagle]

Rick,
"Edelweiss" in Mayo, MD, does fit the bill.  Just my luck to be in Annapolis last week, day before ad was posted.  Looking to see when I can drive down to check her out. 

It also helps that the name  is wife (admiral's) favorite song from Sound of Music.  May help with the associated need to rationalize another boat....

[Mas]

Hey Brian, the hatch is a mixed blessing as the scoop on earlier models provides 24/7 ventilation but less at any given time than a hatch open, also the scoop is better if raining than a hatch which must be closed. Frankly we don't spend the night aboard the 16 much with Interlude in our lives. The change I dislike the most is the replacement of the rear lazarette with the less useful arrangement of the MK3.

The 16 is still a timeless design that will always provide a great sailing platform regardless of model. A different sail from the 19, more like the 23, so be prepared for the difference.

Luv to have ya at CBMWG!

[Finbar Beagle]

Heading down tomorrow to look over "Edelweiss" at Grab Bag, Mayo MD.

Not quite sure how it will end...asking price is high $4,500...

[Mas]

Heading down tomorrow to look over "Edelweiss" at Grab Bag, Mayo MD.

Not quite sure how it will end...asking price is high $4,500...

Good luck with everything. Fall is a good time to negotiate as winter is just around the corner.

[Bob23]

On a remotely different subject, there is an unwanted Cape Dory Typhoon that's caught me eye, mates. But nary a word to either Koinonia or the Admiral.
Have a fun drive today, Brian. Keep us posted.

[Mas]

On a remotely different subject, there is an unwanted Cape Dory Typhoon that's caught me eye, mates. But nary a word to either Koinonia or the Admiral.
Have a fun drive today, Brian. Keep us posted.

Brian, you may have noticed the price of the 16's has been on the creep up but if well founded you will have a nice example of one if Edelweiss comes into your life.

Bob, Typhoons are the most successful design ever done by Cape Dory. They are not particularly trailerable and easy to launch my friend, more draft than the 23 and not tons lighter if an easy to transport boat is the goal. They do have a very active owners association and a fleet of them ply the waters near us. Do watch for soft topsides as that was a particularly common problem. Don't worry won't say a thing, but if caught, and i remember correctly from TG, Pansies were gunna be the flower of choice for the funeral.

Headin down to boat for the week to celebrate the crazy decision to get back into sailing two years ago on October 20th. It also just happens to be our anniversary. 38 years, and she still wonders about me, but then again i wonder about myself!

[Finbar Beagle]

Edelweiss, former "serenity", HIN abv02641f889, was in very good condition.  Is was a mk-3 or XL, had forehatch and no lazzerate cockpit locker.  Graig from Grab Bag was very knowledgeable on Com-PAC, and did not try to "over-sell".

She had some very good additions:, innovative oarlocks, and boom kicker.

I did not buy her.

She could be perfect boat for someone, but not for me.
My issues:
1- location- even though Maryland seems to have a good trailer safety inspection program, unlike NJ, I do not trust myself/Subaru/trailer to tow boat 3.5 hours on rt 95 for first trip.  The drive down was great training  for this decision.  Her trailer looked very good, but it is my stress level I am concerned about.  I could have her hauled on flatbed while on trailer....
2- roller furling jib- this usually would be a positive, but as I plan to trailer, it looked challenging to rig solo.  Extra inch or 2 by being able to access turnbuckle would solve this.
3. It is a brokerage boat and price is firm.  I was prepared for the asking price, but felt the boat was just a little shy (poor silicone job on vinyl rub rail, worn blocks on mainsheet...)
4. If I could not convince myself, I would not have chance of surviving wife's inquisition.  It would not have gone well for me...

All good, learned much, and the Bauer 12 in her usual spot in my driveway, was looking kinda correct.

[Tim Gardner]

Brian,

I can hardly stand your -3' negativity.  The Finbar Beagle is no more difficult to rig in a parking lot than a 16.  But you might be better off clam-wise call Kieth at the Sailboat company to inquire about a mastender conversion for your 19.

Can your Subaru pull your 19 Now?

TG

[Finbar Beagle]

My 19 empty, with trailer, is max tow load for Subaru.  So I am not capable of currently towing her.
The Bauer 12 is only 500lbs.  The rigging issue is the CDI Roller furling set up.  You cannot access the fore stay turnbuckle to easily adjust,  will need to push mast forward for slack, and second set of hands to put pin in turnbuckle.

The Bauer 12 has a different method, 2 pins are used at foot of mast, and when secure,  You attach the forestry.  Is is a Ginter rig, so mast is not too tall.

I am now looking closely at Picnic cat to stay 'in family'