Jib Question

[high tide is up]

Hi ya'll...Had my first sail of 2013!!!  I'm so not driveway sailing anymore!!!  Anyhow I still don't know about my jib sail.  I have 2 ways to run the sheets back 1. over the cabin and 2. along the rail.  Jib seems bigger than what I thought as it comes back past the mast...It  looks like the original sail but how do I measure it to know??? And the main seems to be about 4-5 inches from the top of the mast when it's raised.  Shouldn't it go all the way to the top?? and there for give me a few more inches above my head regarding the boom....As always thanks in advance for reading my "newbie" questions.

Dawn

[deisher6]

Hey Dawn:
Congratulations on the sailing outting.  I am envious, it is 8°F outside now and most of the water is very hard!

Our C16 has a fairhead and cleat combination on a track at the edge of the cockpit coaming.  So we rig the jib sheets outside the stays.  Some C16's have a fairhead and cleat on the cabin top, on those the sheets are usually run inside the side stays to the cleat.

To raise the main all the way to the masthead:  make sure that the downhaul (the line on the bottom of the gooseneck that pulls down on the tack of the mainsail) is free.  Then you may have to hold the running end of the halyard tight around a cleat and grab the halyard part way up the mast with the other hand and pull it away from the mast, release it taking up the slack with the running end.  It is much easier to do than to explain.  Once the peak is at the top of the mast (two blocked) then tighten the luff with the downhaul.

I hope that this helps.  I wish that I could just show you...much easier.

Enjoy sailing and your C16.

regards charlie

[carry-on]

Dawn,
From a picture you posted earlier, appears the "J" for your 16 is 4ft 6inches. If you lay the jib flat on a smooth surface, you can measure the "LP" for your jib. The LP is the perpendicular distance from the clew to the luff, ie: the shortest distance from the clew to the luff. Divide LP by J (same units of measure)and convert to %. This gives the percent jib(110%, 120% etc.). If the sails are older maybe there is some stretch which would increase the percent a few notches. Then you can compare your % to the standard listed at the top of the CP-16 posts.

Are the fittings at the forward point of your coaming fixed cams? If so, it looks like you would be forced to run the sheets inside the shrouds. Is is good to be able to adjust the angle of the jib sheets relative to the sail luff depending on wind conditions and point of sail, could be accomplished with tracks and sliding bull's eye and cams.

[JTMeissner]

Dawn, the standing rigging of your boat (from previous posts) looks very similar to mine, so here's how we do it:

The picture below is from a test rig soon after purchase.  The fore sail is original, which I believe to be a 110% jib (sail measurements are posted elsewhere in the forum).  You can see how the clew is aft of the mast and the sheet runs through the fair lead and cleat on top of the cockpit coaming.  I've tried both inside and outside the shroud (outside in picture), I prefer inside.  My new jib rigs the same.


Harder to see in the picture since the mast of the boat behind me matches up so well is the top of the sail which is several inches from the top. In order to raise the halyard as much as possible, I swapped to the smallest shackle that fit the top of the sail with a bend of rope.  I then searched for the smallest knot to attach the shackle.  Without being at the boat I can't remember if I went with a buntline hitch [http://www.animatedknots.com/buntline/index.php] or this halyard knot [http://www.jeanneau-owners2.com/hintsandtips/id137.htm].  The important piece to me was the smallest knot without a tail to perhaps get stuck in the pulley sheave.  An eye splice might be best; I'm not there in my rope skills.  

Also, the halyard was kinked due to extended time being bent over the pulleys in storage and age; a new halyard with the knot and shackle above puts the top of the sail pretty much as far up as I think I'll be able to get it.  This bought me a few more inches of height at the gooseneck.

Finally, this picture shows the affect of age on the mainsail.  My new main doesn't have the droop towards the stern, the foot is now horizontal along the length which has increased pilot headroom immensely.  The new sail also uses slugs instead of feeding the bolt rope which makes it easier to raise.  

-Justin

[high tide is up]

Hey Dawn:
Congratulations on the sailing outting.  I am envious, it is 8°F outside now and most of the water is very hard!

Our C16 has a fairhead and cleat combination on a track at the edge of the cockpit coaming.  So we rig the jib sheets outside the stays.  Some C16's have a fairhead and cleat on the cabin top, on those the sheets are usually run inside the side stays to the cleat.

To raise the main all the way to the masthead:  make sure that the downhaul (the line on the bottom of the gooseneck that pulls down on the tack of the mainsail) is free.  Then you may have to hold the running end of the halyard tight around a cleat and grab the halyard part way up the mast with the other hand and pull it away from the mast, release it taking up the slack with the running end.  It is much easier to do than to explain.  Once the peak is at the top of the mast (two blocked) then tighten the luff with the downhaul.

I hope that this helps.  I wish that I could just show you...much easier.

Enjoy sailing and your C16.

regards charlie

Man Charlie that's just down right cold!!!  No wonder your water is "stiff".  You are right I had the top line that holds the boom up in the way and the main wouldn't go all the way to the top.  As far as the "J" again you are right.  So I guess that's how I'll try it this weekend.

As always thanks for the advice.

Dawn

[high tide is up]

Dawn,
From a picture you posted earlier, appears the "J" for your 16 is 4ft 6inches. If you lay the jib flat on a smooth surface, you can measure the "LP" for your jib. The LP is the perpendicular distance from the clew to the luff, ie: the shortest distance from the clew to the luff. Divide LP by J (same units of measure)and convert to %. This gives the percent jib(110%, 120% etc.). If the sails are older maybe there is some stretch which would increase the percent a few notches. Then you can compare your % to the standard listed at the top of the CP-16 posts.

Are the fittings at the forward point of your coaming fixed cams? If so, it looks like you would be forced to run the sheets inside the shrouds. Is is good to be able to adjust the angle of the jib sheets relative to the sail luff depending on wind conditions and point of sail, could be accomplished with tracks and sliding bull's eye and cams.


Thank you...I did measure the jib today and I think you're right.  The sails are older and I had no idea they would strech like that.  Thanks for your advice!!!

[high tide is up]

Dawn, the standing rigging of your boat (from previous posts) looks very similar to mine, so here's how we do it:

The picture below is from a test rig soon after purchase.  The fore sail is original, which I believe to be a 110% jib (sail measurements are posted elsewhere in the forum).  You can see how the clew is aft of the mast and the sheet runs through the fair lead and cleat on top of the cockpit coaming.  I've tried both inside and outside the shroud (outside in picture), I prefer inside.  My new jib rigs the same.


Harder to see in the picture since the mast of the boat behind me matches up so well is the top of the sail which is several inches from the top. In order to raise the halyard as much as possible, I swapped to the smallest shackle that fit the top of the sail with a bend of rope.  I then searched for the smallest knot to attach the shackle.  Without being at the boat I can't remember if I went with a buntline hitch [http://www.animatedknots.com/buntline/index.php] or this halyard knot [http://www.jeanneau-owners2.com/hintsandtips/id137.htm].  The important piece to me was the smallest knot without a tail to perhaps get stuck in the pulley sheave.  An eye splice might be best; I'm not there in my rope skills.  

Also, the halyard was kinked due to extended time being bent over the pulleys in storage and age; a new halyard with the knot and shackle above puts the top of the sail pretty much as far up as I think I'll be able to get it.  This bought me a few more inches of height at the gooseneck.

Finally, this picture shows the affect of age on the mainsail.  My new main doesn't have the droop towards the stern, the foot is now horizontal along the length which has increased pilot headroom immensely.  The new sail also uses slugs instead of feeding the bolt rope which makes it easier to raise.  

-Justin
Thanks Justin.  Great pic too!!!  My Jib doesn't come back quite as far as yours.  I also had the line that holds the boom up in the way so that was corrected and that got me about 4 more inches for the main up the mast.  And in turn I was able to get a few more inches over my head in the cockpit below the boom.  As always Thank you Soooooo Much

Dawn