CP 16 boom vang?

[multimedia_smith]

Just under 2" wide... I measured 1 7/8" with the caliper...
(one of the advantages of having it right here in the garage)
All the Best... spring is great for sailing here... we're having fun.
Dale

[idouglas]

Thanks Dale.

Wish I was on the open sea.  Too cold and snowy here in Massachusetts.

idouglas

[Salty19]

OK, I have what is probably a REALLY dumb question!  But since I'm not an expert on anything, here she goes...

I wouldn't mind having a bit more control over the upward movement of the boom as well.

But I like the simplicity of the factory CP16 I rigging and freedom of movement in the cockpit. So I'm resisting the boom vang.

What do you all think about simply adding a series of removable weights to the boom? Perhaps 2 lbs every 2 feet (or thereabouts)?   They would be flush with the boom so as to not hang down and risk head injury. For example, small canvas sacks with lead shot velcroed on or maybe lead strips which could be fastened temporarily with eyelets?   Perhaps an extra 10-15 lbs holding the boom down, distributed over the lenght of the boom.  Obviously it could still raise up in high breezes, but perhaps be a bit more controlled in most fair conditions.   I know...sounds cheesy (and probably is!).   What negatives would this setup create, besides not working in heavy weather?

Thoughts? 

[multimedia_smith]

I'm not sure what you mean as far as interfering with "movement in the cockpit"... the vang doesn't extend into that area.  The idea of weights may add to the healing angle when the boom is extended over the side... the further out, the more leverage... As far as simplicity... it attaches very quickly and simply to the boom and remains attached to the mast (held in storage by the same bungie that holds the halyards).
Also... in light air, you WANT the boom to lift in order to get some twist into the main... I use the Boom Kicker to help lift the boom to shape the main with upward force in light air while the vang provides downward force to flatten the main in heavier air.  Either way, I wouldn't add weight to the boom... in addition to not preventing it from raising up in high wind... you may be creating a danger to the crew... if you get beaned with a light aluminum boom it hurts... add a lot of weight to that and you've created a weapon. just my humble opinion.
Best Regards
Dale

[Paul]

Good points, Dale.  I agree with the weapon analogy.  Although, I like your thinking outside the box, Saly16.  Creative thinking is a great thing.

If you are terribly opposed to the vang, you might consider a boom preventer.  A little different animal meant for a slightly different purpose.  I think of it used in beam reach and running situations when you want to keep the boom low and prevent an accidental gibe.  While a vang more efficient in beam reach to close hauled situations and can be used while tacking.  There are pros and cons to using each, but each is good at controlling the boom and therefore sail shape for the specific sailing condition.

[Salty19]

Thanks Dale and Paul.   Perhaps I should scour the gallery for pics of the vang, kicker, and preventer.  For some reason, I had the impresson it would extend into the cockpit more than you describe. My friend with a C22 has the vang and it's somewhat in the way of moving around for my tastes. (maybe he just mounted it incorrectly?) Also sounds like it's not an issue to rig.   

As always, mucho appreciate the advice! 

<back to watching the snow fall until spring gets here>

[wetland]

Hello everyone:

I decided that a boom kicker and vang would be a nice addition to my CP16 and make single sailing much easier and safer. 

Taking some suggestions in this thread, I purchased the Dwyer DK 301 vang for 16-19 foot boats.  It looks good and much cheaper at 94.00 shipped  than some I have seen in the boat stores.  It is a complete kit with stainless attachments for both ends.  I did find  two vang blocks on a discount shelf which would have allowed a cheaper production, but stayed with the dwyer with the swagged wire, attachment key and connection and braided attached line.

I ordered a new boomkicker K0400 for 16 to 19 foot boats from Kelly-Hanson Marine (a small ebay store) via ebay. The 125.00 price was the cheapest I have seen for that model.  I believe the smaller one (14'-16') would have worked, but I opted for the next model. There was also no shipping charge.

Hoping all this works out and I never have to pull the mainsl out of the drink again or jump over the boom.

Thanks for the ideas,
Tom M.

[Glenn Basore]

You will really like the Boom Kicker, I had one on my previous boat, a small Hunter 170.

The boom kicker really helps to shape your sail and when you want to drop your sail, the boom doesn't come down on your head !

I thinking about adding one to my Eclipse..........

Glenn

[DOUG142]

Hi,
I have been reading and following this thread on CP 16 boom vangs.  I really, really like the idea of using a through bolted boom bail and the boomkicker swivel on the mast.  The problem I am running into is that I do not know which model of boomkicker has the swivel that fits our CP 16 mast track ? They make 5 or 6 different models of boomkickers. 

Also I tried Defender to get just the lower end swivel bracket and they said that they don't sell individual parts just the complete kit for a boomkicker... help

Anyone know of the size and source for a boomkicker bottom swivel bracket?

Thanks for the assist. 
Soon to be on the water here in Wisconsin...the snow has stopped.  Knock on wood.  hahaha
Happy Sailing
Doug and Linda, CP 16, Hull 1994,. Summer Escape

[wetland]

Doug

The boomkicker model I referred to a couple of messages ago has the perfect mast fitting connection (Model K0400)(you are referring  to as swivel) for the CP-16 mast.  I just installed it on my CP-16 today along with the vang also previously mentioned.  This boomkicker comes with two installed fiberglass rods and two additional fiberglass rods if you want a lighter system.  On my boat it appeared that I was running out of mast to make the installation with the mainsl in the proper position which means I have less of an angle than I would like for the boomkicker. However with the stronger glass rods the kicker has no problem holding up the boom.  This is a nice kit with good looking components especially the part you referenced.

Tom

[DOUG142]

Tom,
Thanks for the model info.  Yes, it is the mast fitting that I keep calling a "swivel". Sorry bout that.

I did manage to find a source for the fitting and it should be on its way to me shortly.

Thanks again for the info, can't wait to get my SUMMER ESCAPE back in the water and sailing again after what seems like a long, long Winter.

Doug

[DOUG142]

FYI
For the boomkicker fitting go to boomkicker.com and go to boomkicker pricelist and click on item not found then put in model 0400 and mast fitting, do not call it a swivel or you  will only get part of it.
Cost will be around $30.00 plus shipping. 

doug 142
Summer Escape
and sailing soon