New Sails - Question

[KPL]

I'm looking to purchase new sails for my 1982 CP16 I bought this summer.  It still has the original sails (johnson?) with red arrows.  The genoa is blown out, and the main is a bit soft.

1) I'm thinking on the main I want to go with slugs.  I keep the boat on the water and slugs make the main easier to furl on the boom.  I'm also thinking loose foot.  I have a 14 ft dingy with loose foot, and I like the extra control on sail shape.  I used to on a Bayfield 25 with a footed sail, and I always felt I couldn't get good shape.  What do you all think?

2) Should I go for full battens?

3) If I get a 150% genoa, is there any benefit in an assymetrical spinnaker?  I've only seen one cp16 with one (Dale S. boat).  Does it add that much performance?

Thanks,

Kevin

[Paul]

Yea.  My original sail has slugs.  I find it is handy when furling vs. a bolt rope.  Personally, I would stick with the bolt rope foot simply because the boom probably isn't stiff enough to allow you to shape a loose footed sail as well as you may want.  Full battens would potentially allow you to have more control of sail shape, but with a higher cost in dollars and time to adjust the battens for variable conditions, would it really be worth it?

Let us know.

Paul

[KPL]

Paul,

Thanks for the response.  The cost difference for full battens is only $50, so that's not too big a deal.  I'm thinking the boom is stiff enough, only because I compare is to my Holder 14.  Although the Holder is only 360# or so, it has almost identical mast, same size main sail and jib, although the boom is just 1.5" tubular stock.  It holds up well with the loose foot, even with three people on the rail in 20 knot winds (very wet, very thrilling, a little scary).

I'm going to order the sails in the next week or so.  Part of my motivation is I can get a main & genoa for less then just the main on my old boat.  There's definitely something to be said for smaller boats...

I'll let you know how it turns out.

K

[multimedia_smith]

I'd definitely go with the full batten main... and I personally like the 155 genoa... and I would even go bigger if I had it to do again... you can always put the 110 on.
I recently ordered a 60% jib for those really blustery days...

And Yes, you will really appreciate a cruising spinnaker when the wind dies you can still go.

The more sail variety you have and variety of conditions you can handle... the more days you can go sailing!

I really like the Rolley Tasker sails I got from National Sails in FL

You will not believe how much better your boat goes with new "motors".

Enjoy

Dale

[idouglas]

Dale:

Do you, or anyone else, know the dimensions of a 155% genoa for a CP16XL (CP16-3)?

Dirk Sharland of National Sail Supply (Rolly Tasker Sails, Florida)  has a 155% genoa measured at: luff = 13.8', leech = 13', foot = 9.3' with a sail area of 59 sq ft.  The problem is that Hutchins reports that a 155% genoa has 65 sq ft of sail. 

What are the correct measurements for a 155% genoa with J = 5.5, LP = 8.65, I = 14.25?

Thanks for any and all help.

idouglas

[multimedia_smith]

HI Kevin,

Dirk at national made my 155 and it was cut to go with a pendant (extension cable) to get it to clear the pulpit.  It has a great shape and I would recommend that approach as you can see under it.  I also got a full batten main from them that shapes great in "no air".


My question is regarding the loose footed main.

I just got the heavy air jib from Dirk and it is truly a work of art... extremely well made (pics to follow)  I have been using it in conjunction with the original Johnson main because I don't want to blow out my new full batten "light air" main.   ( also don't want to wind it or reef it if I don't have to )

Today I went out in pretty heavy conditions, which wasn't any problem for the 60% jib and main rolled up to about nine feet of luff.  However when I was pulling the leech back to set it up, the rear seam tore and I realized that the 19 year old sail has seen its best days... time for a new heavier mainsail.

I'm thinking of a loose footed heavier material with 3 reef points.  Is anyone here using a loose footed main?  It would seem like you would have more shape control.  Do you have a center cringle when unreefed like when reefed?  Also on this rig, I'm thinking of not going with battens.  What do you all think?

Thanks in advance

Dale