Roller furling

[TroyVB]

I am considering a CDI roller furler for Sanctuary.  I seem to remember that Gil has one and that it was an FF1 but I could not find the old thread and all the info seems to suggest an FF2.  It looks like there is $120.00 difference.

Gil, if you or anyone else can help with my decision I would appreciate it.

The water is hard here in Iowa so I guess there's time.

[Gil Weiss]

You are correct as it was the FF1 - after our second year using this wonderful addition I can say that you will be very pleased if you add one to your boat. I bought mine from my local sailmaker, Linthicum Sails in Sommerville, NJ. He did the required mod on my jib too.

The CDI furler is well made making it a good value and works excellent. It would be my number 2 CP 16 enhancement as the Ida Sailor foiled rudder is my number 1 addition.

I find the jib furler makes for easier and safer sailing even on a small boat.

[TroyVB]

Thanks Gil,

I added the Ida Sailor rudder last year.  I love the way it makes the CP16 more responsive and helps her to carry momentum through a tack.  I now keep the boat on a hoist and there is no need to raise and lower the mast every time I sail so I'm gonna add the furling.

Do you think there is a particular reason that so many places say to use the FF2?  It seems like there would be enough foil to do two CP16s.  I was worried about the forestay diameter.  I know that our CPs are built well.  I think that the forestay diameter is 1/4 inch with the swaged end being 5/16 and that was supposedly too large for the FF1.  I had put roller furling on our previous boat a Catalina 27.  That system was from another company but there was plenty of wiggle room between the forestay and the plastic bushings.

[fafnir]

I am anxiously following this thread as I have a new (to me) C-16 and am planning on ordering a genoa this winter so if I am going to do roller furling now is the time.  I am in the process of making a new rudder (fiberglass wood core) Thought I would try my hand at making one before buying the idafoil.  I have a furler on my old boat (Ranger 23) and have found it really nice to be able to reduce sail in a hurry while sailing single handed. I am in Minnesota so I really don't have to hurry either.

[TroyVB]

Welcome Aboard fafnir.

Where do you sail in MN?  I have just recently moved from MI to IA and I miss the Big Lake.  I am thinking about a summer trip to the Apostle Islands. 

These boats make for great adventures becuase they are able to be trailered and launched so easily.  I have spent some time on Rainy Lake fishing and thought that Voyageurs Natl Park would make a great cruising ground for these boats as well.

Enjoy your CP16!

[sawyer]

Hey Troy...  Hard water already, wish we had some here for the Walleye at Hardy pond.........  Too much snow and too cold to work on boat in the barn, but no ice for the fishing..........   Sounds to me like your setup with a lift is a great way to go.  Any Zebra mussels over in Iowa???   Doug         

[TroyVB]

Hi Doug,

It looks like there is about two inches of ice right now and we have been down in the single digigits for quite a few nights in a row.  Don't now if I would brave ice fishing yet but I'm beginning to hear some excitement about it.

I will try to get a picture of Sanctuary perched above the water.  I sure like being able to turn the wheel and jump on.  The last few times I did not even need the outboard, walk her to the end of the dock, sail in and sail out.

Not too many zebra mussels.  I know there is some concern, but the biggest problem is Eurasian Milfoil.  The DNR is really trying to stop the spread of this stuff.  I sail on the Iowa Great Lakes.  You will find them with a web search.  If you feel like a drive and a sail this summer let me know. 

I am thinking about a trip in the Apostle Islands on Superior.  After last summer with Marcus on Grand Traverse I want to go again but I think Pam and Courtney will stay home.  I loved the 10 hr sail they thought it was too much.

[fafnir]

Hi Troy,  thanks for the warm welcome.  We had our Ranger in Ashland 2 years ago which is a hop skip and jump from the apostles,  that was fun.  However this last summer,  we were pregnant and didn't want to risk having to deliver a baby in the apostles so our boat spent last summer at Barkers Island marina in Duluth Harbor.  Which is much closer to a hospital and we didn't go on any long adventures.  I had not thought about Voyagers,  that would be a lot of fun with this boat.  We spent quite a bit of time in the apostles with sea kayaks before we got the Ranger.  If you are in need of someone to cruise with give me a holler, I am almost always game.  --Chad

[idouglas]

Risk having a baby in the apostles???  After all it is the Christmas season.

idouglas

[Gil Weiss]

As I recall, I thought I would need the FF2 also based on the stay diameter and published specs. But Brad Linthicum (Linthicum Sailmakers) told me the FF! will fit fine and he confirmed that when I took my forstay to his shop. He installed the FF1 on my forestay and did the jib mods as previously mentioned. The FF! is less expensive and the drum size is perfect for the 16.

The jib mods included adding the "cover" material to protect the sail from the sun when it is furled. He matched the brown color used on my mainsail cover and tiller cover (both made in previous years by him) Currently he is making me a matching brown outboard motor cover so all protective covers will match when the boat is in its slip.

Looks cool . . . .

[TroyVB]

Thanks for the insight Gil.  I plan to put the FF1 on order.  I made the sail mods on the Catalina 27 Genoa myself so I plan to do the same with Sanctuary's Genoa. 

The one that I have right now is from North and 130% but I was thinking about a 150%.  What size do you have?   My North has some life left and the material for the mods would only run around $120 with the sacrificial cover. considerably less expensive than a new headsail.

Chad- thanks for the info about The Apostle Islands.  I would love to go sailing with you sometime.  Mgoller and my family did a weekend cruise on Grand Traverse Bay this summer.   He did a nice write up of the adventure we called the Midwest Rendevouz.  Just two boats but we had a good time.  My family decided that the CP16 was not a liveaboard for three people, so I think my cruises will be singlehanded from now on, but we still love to daysail. It would be fun to put something like that together for this summer again.

[Gil Weiss]

My 1990 boat has the original Johnson sails which are in excellent shape. Originally my plan was to have a new and larger jib made for the furler, but considering the dollars involved and the excellent condition of the old sail I stuck with the original jib. I think the old one may be 110%. It certainly is no genoa.

[fafnir]

Hi Troy, when it gets warm again here in the midwest lets put something together and out for a long weekend, that would be fun.  I am still trying to make up my mind about the furler,  as well as adding the bow sprit as I have one of the older boats that lacks that feature.  My wife and I have a few things to discuss over the winter about boat upgrades.  I just wish we had gotten more of a chance to sail before it got too cold.

[TroyVB]

fafnir,
The summer sounds great. Any more Com Pacs in the area that you know about?
I spoke with a marina owner in Minnetonka and he has a 23 for sale.  Sounded like he had a few that were part of the marina when he purchased it.  I had wanted to take a look at the boat but never made it there. 

I think that you would be pleased with the bow sprit, dresses the boat a little, may contribute to the performance, but I think the big thing is the convenience in storing the anchor.  The foredeck is clear, not much foredeck anyway.  This is part of the reason why I am going to the furler.  When my family anchors for lunch or a swim there will be no sail in the way on the deck.

I tryed a Gerr downhaul but I still had the sail flapping when gathered at the forestay and it was not as smooth as I like the dousing of a sail to be.