FF1

[hinmo]

I am going to pull the trigger on a furler, the FF1 sounds right.

Any opinions besides the obvious on the ball bearing vs non? I have had the bb  on a bigger boat, but figure with the stock jib on a furler and a sail of this size, it should not take alot of torque to wrap her?

Also, whats the chatter on the toggle on the stay? We all have toggles connecting our stay to the clevis/chain-plate correct?

Other than that, do I have to have the sail cut/modified  to fit the sail  slot of the furler?

I have a bowsprit addition to a 1982, still has the fractional rig

...anyone want to chat about this and help me?

Thanks

[JBC]

I can only offer some general comments in response to your questions.  I have a CDI furler on my 16/III, with standard 110% jib.  As to torque, I do sometimes find it hard to furl the sail IF there is a strong wind and I'm unable to swing into the wind (tight quarters, traffic, etc.) when furling.  But on the whole, the jib furls fairly easily so I don't think the optional ball bearings are a necessity for this size a rig.  Could make furling a bit smoother though.

I can't answer the turnbuckle issue as I can't remember what the non-furling set up is for the forestay on a CP 16.  But CDI makes a pretty hard case about the type of turnbuckle to be used, so I would look at those drawings in the manual (available online) carefully to see if what you've already got will work...the turnbuckle MUST go inside the drum rig, and be adjustable with cotter pins, according to the manual.

As to the sail, I think a standard jib won't fit the #6 sail tape slot designed for the CDI.  Probably will have to be modified for the new arrangement for the furler.  Also, with a sprit, I believe the standard forestay length is based on a 7/8th rig (longer forestay).

Jett

[jb]

I cut an FF2, no bearings, to fit my 96/16 and used a toggle on the mast side of the the stay. Also, the new stay/w turnbuckle was shortened a small amount enabling a tighter adjustment/ forward rake to lessen some weather helm.  I mailed my old forestay with the turnbuckle adjusted for sailing conditions to "Rigging Only " and they made the new stay that accommodates the the CDI furler. A newer jib, w/ sun protection, from Mariner 19 was cut to size for the fit and no foam luff was used.

You'll will  love the flexibility derived from the furler !!

[TedStrat]

Just one thought; I actually prefer not turning completely into the wind to furl gib. I find that having some wind load on it makes for a tighter, neater furl. Not sure if that's "proper" but it seems to work, although slightly harder to pull in granted.

[hinmo]

I emailed Rigging only, they did not respond, but they are the next town to me, so maybe I will stop by and see them. I see the FF1 with ball bearings for $343 at http://www.thesailstore.com/flexible-furler-ff1bb-headstay-p-764.html. Seems like the best price.

jb - why did you need a new forestay? Does the stay need altering? I thought you cut the extrusion to the size of the stay.

Also, toggle on the mast side? whats that mean, the toggle is on the stay attached to the chainplate


...believe it or not, I have assembled and attached one of these before and the only tricky part was getting the sail and extrusion the correct size for the stay

[jb]

hinmo,

re the stay, I didn't have any adjustment ( shorter ) on the old turnbuckle and wasn't satisfied with mast position. The FF2 extrusion is an overkill for the boat and heavier than the FF1 so I wanted the ability to compensate (tighten) for the extra weight being carried by the forestay.

The toggle is attached to the mast fitting and the mast side of the forestay attaches to the toggle. I believe the purpose of the toggle is to allow some side to side movement. I know some people said they didn't add the toggle and maybe it isn't necessary for the C16 but,  CDI and  the man ( Dan ) at " rigging only " recommended the toggle so that's the route that I took. I believe the addition of the toggle might also add to the overall length of the forestay, therefore you may not have a tighter adjustment if needed.  You should ask " rigging only "
if that is an issue.

[hinmo]

thanks jb - I have a toggle already, and I dont understand the "mast side" reference. I'll post a pic when the snow clears (just kidding)

[jb]

mast side - where the forestay is secured to the mast

..." Forestay Tangs are normally mounted on the forward centerline of the Mast "...

[JBC]

The CDI manual insists that the forestay should have two toggles, one at each end. Mine is set up that way.  If a non-furling forestay has "loops" swaged at both ends, then I suspect some modification would be necessary.

[hinmo]

mast side - where the forestay is secured to the mast

..." Forestay Tangs are normally mounted on the forward centerline of the Mast "...

duh - now I got ya. Not sure why they would want one attached to the mast. Probably a good reason to see "rigging only"