CP 16 vs CP 19

[suznhenz]

I am considering either a cp 16 or a 19, but have two questions: How stable is the 16, compared to the 19, and how hard is it to put the mast up every time I use the boat for the 19, compared to the smaller rigging of the 16? I'm looking for a house on a canal in the Port Richey, FL area and some require going under a bridge/road where I would have to put up the mast after I get outboard of the bridge. I had a 23 a while ago and really liked how stable it was, but it was definitely not an easy boat to rig on the water.

[Salty19]

Welcome to the forum!

The 19 is leagues ahead of the 16 when it comes to stability.  Getting the rail in the water on the 19 is something you have to try hard to do (I've yet to do that despite trying!).  The flat bottom hull shape contributes to this.  I've had both boats and find with the 19, you rarely even need to sit to windward unless the wind is howling beyond 13-15 knots. On the 16 you would ship water over the coaming in 12 knots (maybe slightly more?) sitting to leeward.

Mast raising/lowering?   I've only done this while on the trailer so I'm of little help.  But I imagine if you have a system setup to help (ie a mast raising system), either one would be doable.  One thing to consider is the deck of the 16 is not a comfortable place to be in waves and swells-so your mast raising system should minimize trips forward.  The 19's deck gives a lot more security with lifelines, but also rolls and pitches less.  The 16 mast is only 20 feet above the water line, the 19's is 25 feet.

I've never been on a 23, but based on comments here, the 19 is more stable than the 23 -apples to apples. 

Some here trailer sail the 19 but I personally wouldn't want to do that unless we were spending a few days on the boat.

[Billy]

I live in palm harbor and you are welcome to come over and step the mast on my 19 and see for yourself.
I had a 16 and raising the mast was very easy compared. But it had no initial stability at all compared to the 19.
But sailing in St. Joesph Sound the 6" less draft is a plus. I like my 19 around here and wouldn't trade it for a 16. And probably don't go sailing any less. I trailer it every time too.

But if you plan on stepping the mast in the water, make sure you have extra pins and tools should they ever fall to the depths!

[skip1930]

If you want to rig on the water, than you'll need a CP-16.
Putting the stick up on a CP-19 on water can be done, I did it. Once. But that was enough.
The CP-19 is more stable.

skip.

[MacGyver]

I stand my 19's rig in the water and down in the water, no issues.

Have no system to do it, but I am 31 years old and pretty tough little guy.......
My wife puts the pin in and out on the forestay, And I loosen the back stay and push forward on the mast to allow her to take pin out.
then she goes to the back and down the mast comes. No issues.

I might be a little on the crazy side, I work at a marina and do probably 20 masts a year..... so I guess I am at "Expert" Level for mast lowering and raising..... 

Next year we may be trailer sailing it... maybe it will be a different story then having to do it more often than this year.....

Mac

[shamblin]

the 16 is very stable compared other boats of that size.  if you like to sleep in the cockpit both cockpits are similar.  i have owned both boats and the 19 is so much more boat if you will spend much time aboard.  2000 vs 1100 lbs. the 19 will sleep 4 inside. i think you should consider going  to both boats and getting familiar. 8-)

[Keith]

I find the mast on the CP19 very easy to raise and lower, even on the water (calm water).  My method - with the base of the mast bolted into the tabernacle pivot and the backstay and shrouds clear to "run" and the forestay turnbuckle in my pocket (with pin and ring ding), I stand on the cabin top over the hatch and straddle the mast.  I then lift the mast and walk backwards (toward the bow) while continuing to raise the mast between my legs (ensuring no kinks in backstay or shrouds).  As the mast reaches vertical I take tension on the forestay to hold it there and move to the bow chain plate where I attach the turnbuckle.  Tighten turnbuckle to tension mast appropriately and you're done.  Really smooth operation, even single handed.   I do second the recommendation on keeping extra pin and ringding in your pocket in case of a fumble over the side. 

HTH,

Keith

[shamblin]

for even more security/safety put a rope on the forestay with about 6 half hitches above the base, and run the rope forward over the top of the bow pulpit.  then you can lift the mast and take up slack on the rope.   the rope lets you hold the mast up should anything start to slip.

[kickingbug1]

    although i am somewhat in the market for a 19, my 16 still puts a smile on my face. take saturday for instance. carlyle lake illinois wind n/w at 12 with gusts to 18. waves about a foot with an occasional 2 footer. it was puffy so we started with the main alone. too slow, out comes the jib now we are cooking. heeling about 20 degrees plus. spray coming over the bow. rail in the water. i know that 19s stay pretty flat given their flat bottom but im afraid we might miss the fun of heeling over and getting a little wet. the 16 is probably fine for us (just the two of us daysailing) plus the ease of towing and rigging and small garage space needed for storage. yeah i know i will probably succumb to three foot itis but i might just miss that little 16 too much in the end.

[Koinonia]

Ive debated buying a 19 if one came on the market for the right price just for trailer sailing if Im not going to be making a crossing of anytype.  They look to be a cinch to get rigged and ready unlike my 27 where its about 3 hours for my wife and I.