halyards / puling from cockpit

[gabi]

 
hey everyone,
i'm trying to get ideas for setting up a system to pull the halyards from the cockpit,

1, http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?productId=24992&catalogId=10001&langId=-1&storeId=11151&storeNum=50045&subdeptNum=50083&classNum=50085

this is what they use nowdays for the legacy model,
it seams a good system, my only concern would be that it sticks out too much where the jib sheets would get tangled around when  tacking,  plus i dont know how easy is to install

2 http://www.ebay.com/itm/NAUTOS-BLOCK-PLAIN-45-MM-ITEM-95312-SINGLE-SWIVEL-W-CAM-SAILING-BLOCKS-/120811865237?

this could be easily attached to the mast foot , i already have the holes there,  it would be lower that way,and out of the way for the jibsheets

what do you guys think?
i really need to work something out so i dont have to go upfront everytime put up the main, and jib...

any other ideas..im open

thanks

[NateD]

I don't have a real good picture of the setup on my previous 16, but you can see most of the system between these two pictures:





At the base of the mast were two Schaefer halyard lift turning blocks (http://schaeferhardware.com//detail.aspx?ID=672), and a 2 line deck organizer (http://schaeferhardware.com//detail.aspx?ID=626), run back to two clutches (http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?productId=45568&catalogId=10001&langId=-1&storeId=11151&storeNum=50045&subdeptNum=50083&classNum=50084). The cam cleat you see in the second picture was for the jib downhaul. I'm sure there are cheaper ways to lead the halyard back to the cockpit, the previous owner of my boat was a dentist who didn't mind spending money on the boat.

[JTMeissner]

gabi,

Hutchins has a "CP16 HALYARD TO COCKPIT CONVERSION" section on their price list.  Consists of two cheek blocks, two cam cleats, and a set of longer halyards.  I'm sure someone here has that as an option when their boat was purchased, especially the later models.  If I understand it right, the cheek blocks essentially replace the two cleats on the bottom of the mast, and the cam cleats sit next to the hatch slide.  Halyard runs down the mast, is turned through the cheek block, and secured via the cam cleats atop the cockpit.  This keeps the release mechanism nearer to you than having it near the block.

This is how the halyards ran on my uncle's San Juan 24, though I cannot remember if the cheek blocks were on the mast or they were blocks attached on the deck.

Concept picture (white w/red flecks halyard):


-Justin

[deisher6]

My '89 has the cheek blocks mounted on the port and starboard sides of the mast but has two cleats on each side of the cabin top. I have considered replacing the cleats with clutches but they are handy for other stuff such as bumpers and dock lines.

It is also handy to have the turning blocks on the mast for rigging raising and storing the mast for trailering.



regards charlie

[gabi]

thanks guys,

i went and got the ronstan mast blocks with cleats,like they use on the new legacy,
i put them up today ,and went sailing

they work like a charm!!!


i mounted them low enough so are not on the way of the jibsheets when tacking, and they stay nicely put facing backwords so having a low profile on the mast

[MacGyver]

Just wondering, It doesnt get in the way when taking down the mast?

Mac

[gabi]

well... dont know..

i have a slip and i never take the mast down,
i guess i'll find out later if i had to,... it ill probably fine, and worse case scenario i can just screw them off

[Mokey7]

Since the hinge is parallel to the mast, they should lay down along with the mast.

[mandolinut]

I was  considering doing something like that with the main but find I have to hand  feed the main sail into the mast slot when raising the sail..I was wondering if anybody has had a sailmaker attach mechanical "cars" to slide up the mast and hanks on the mainsail leading edge? This would make raising and lowering a breeze. I have had the same situation lowering the sail , it does not want to slide down without some assistance.
The jib is roller furled which works great from the cockpit.

[JTMeissner]

gabi, looks good, and has the advantage of not needing to drill any holes in the fiberglass which then require sealing.

Mac, I don't think the blocks would interfere as the mast has to lift in the slot to fold completely to the rear, and the blocks would rise with it.  The blocks could also be folded forward and the halyard cleated off above (takes pressure off the cam cleat springs), and all should be dandy.

mandolinut, my original sail was bolt rope fed, but the new one has slugs.  Once fed in the mast, I have to put in a stop, but then it all settles down nicely.  This makes it much easier to raise and lower the sail; minimal friction in the slot.  Should be able to have them added to your sail by any sail-maker.  If your sail has grommets, it's pretty easy to do yourself (or use the shackles that screw on if no grommets): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neXePf8ZZIY

-Justin