Purchased subscription to SCA

[Southwesternwinds]

Purchased a subscription to Small Craft Advisor plus I bought the review that SCA had for the Com Pac Legacy.   WOW, what a review on this Legacy.  Pretty much all good about the construction and the sail characteristics of this sailboat.  One reviewer mentioned about the connectors for the jib sheet to the forestay as being cost effective.  I kind of agree with him, I wish the jib hanks were not just plastic connectors but stainless or brass. Another constructive criticism was the lack of cleats for tying off fenders, but I've found ways to take care of that with just making a couple of loops of rope to position my fenders just where I want them. I'm still not sure what 4 stroke outboard I want to buy.  Inland lakes no problem with my electric troll motor, but the right motor for Lake Michigan is where I need some advise.  Folks rave about the Honda 2 hp, but I don't think that would work for me with the long no wake zone I have launching from public docks in St. Joseph Michigan. I'd appreciate any suggestions.   

[Bob23]

   SCA is a great magazine but unfortunately, I have let my subscription lapse. I subscribe to "Good Old boat" and "Messing about in Boats" presently.
   Doesn't Honda make any bigger 4 strokes? Yeah, I know the 2 hp is air cooled but there's nothing wrong with water cooled.  Personally, I don't have any experience with 4 strokes- I'm still using my 1988 Nissan 8 hp 2 stroke on my cp23. I like the idea of some reserve power- it comes in handy with some of the tides and headwinds I occasionally need to motor in. The reserve power in a bigger outboard will do you no good if you don't have it!
   Bob23..with this mornings wisdom!

[Craig Weis]

I did the Small Boat Advisor for a few years but they hardly ever did stories that I was keen on. So I dropped the script.

I have a short shaft Merc 2 stroke on my modified motor mount. Two inches down and two inches back on my Com-Pac 19. Once it was not enough to push me up over the waves. As soon as the bow crested the wave and was hit by the wind, she was driven back to windward and down into the trough. That night I took to the harbor of refuge at the Stone Quarry for the night. Next day was fine.

The motor rated at 5hp [Mercury always under rates their motors, so 5.5 hp to 6 hp ?] pushs my boat at 5.8 to 6.2 knots wide open. But I usually pick about 5.2 knots. I did 4 hours of 5.2 on 2 gallons and 8 ounces of 50:1 mix. Or 2.6 oz per gallon. About as fast as I can normally sail on a good day. So the sails make about 5 hp. Or 'for every 15 lb on the sail equates to one pound at the keel', according to my Marine Arc-u-tech Tim Graul. He designed the tall ship The Dennis L.Sullivan and all the Washington Island ferries.

skip.

[Southwesternwinds]

   SCA is a great magazine but unfortunately, I have let my subscription lapse. I subscribe to "Good Old boat" and "Messing about in Boats" presently.
   Doesn't Honda make any bigger 4 strokes? Yeah, I know the 2 hp is air cooled but there's nothing wrong with water cooled.  Personally, I don't have any experience with 4 strokes- I'm still using my 1988 Nissan 8 hp 2 stroke on my cp23. I like the idea of some reserve power- it comes in handy with some of the tides and headwinds I occasionally need to motor in. The reserve power in a bigger outboard will do you no good if you don't have it!
   Bob23..with this mornings wisdom!

Hi Bob, yeah honda makes a 4 stroke that is 5 hp, which is the next size up from the 2 hp.  The 5hp weights 61# I wonder if that is too much weight on the transom for the Legacy?

[Southwesternwinds]

I did the Small Boat Advisor for a few years but they hardly ever did stories that I was keen on. So I dropped the script.

I have a short shaft Merc 2 stroke on my modified motor mount. Two inches down and two inches back on my Com-Pac 19. Once it was not enough to push me up over the waves. As soon as the bow crested the wave and was hit by the wind, she was driven back to windward and down into the trough. That night I took to the harbor of refuge at the Stone Quarry for the night. Next day was fine.

The motor rated at 5hp [Mercury always under rates their motors, so 5.5 hp to 6 hp ?] pushs my boat at 5.8 to 6.2 knots wide open. But I usually pick about 5.2 knots. I did 4 hours of 5.2 on 2 gallons and 8 ounces of 50:1 mix. Or 2.6 oz per gallon. About as fast as I can normally sail on a good day. So the sails make about 5 hp. Or 'for every 15 lb on the sail equates to one pound at the keel', according to my Marine Arc-u-tech Tim Graul. He designed the tall ship The Dennis L.Sullivan and all the Washington Island ferries. Hey Skip, yeah the story you spoke of with the waves overpowering you is just what I don't want to deal with coming off Lake Michigan and navigating between the pier heads of St. Joseph. But, some would ask why was I out on the lake in those conditions?  I guess I'd say, bad me I missed the weather report.   Thanks for your info.

skip.

[kahpho]

Hi SWwinds, sounds like you're enjoying your Legacy!

I ran into the same problem of where to hang fenders when I recently rigged my boat. Ended up putting a small shackle on each side where the life lines attach to the cabin top. It's temporary but will work for now. I've ordered a couple 4" stainless cleats that I plan to mount one each side. They would be usefull for other purposes too. Another thing I found was there wasn't any block on the outhaul. So, I dug into the spare parts bucket again and put a small block and shackle on the boom end for that as well. Finally, I'd like to install roller furling on the headsail but until then I rigged a downhaul. I had to get a little creative on that. Found a key fob in the junk drawer with a heavy split ring on a web strap loop. Stuck the web strap loop in the forestay tensioner where it attaches to the bowsprit and put another small block on the split ring. When the line is attached to the jib halyard and through the block it even self adjusts to whatever angle is needed. A bit "Rube Goldberg" but what the hey, it works. Sometimes that ol' junk drawer gives up a real gem!

Enjoy your ride
mel

[Southwesternwinds]

Hi SWwinds, sounds like you're enjoying your Legacy!

I ran into the same problem of where to hang fenders when I recently rigged my boat. Ended up putting a small shackle on each side where the life lines attach to the cabin top. It's temporary but will work for now. I've ordered a couple 4" stainless cleats that I plan to mount one each side. They would be usefull for other purposes too. Another thing I found was there wasn't any block on the outhaul. So, I dug into the spare parts bucket again and put a small block and shackle on the boom end for that as well. Finally, I'd like to install roller furling on the headsail but until then I rigged a downhaul. I had to get a little creative on that. Found a key fob in the junk drawer with a heavy split ring on a web strap loop. Stuck the web strap loop in the forestay tensioner where it attaches to the bowsprit and put another small block on the split ring. When the line is attached to the jib halyard and through the block it even self adjusts to whatever angle is needed. A bit "Rube Goldberg" but what the hey, it works. Sometimes that ol' junk drawer gives up a real gem!

Enjoy your ride
mel

Hey Kahp ho! Couple questions,  what are you using for an outboard on your Legacy?  Do you run your jib sheet lines on the inside or outside of your shrouds?  Also I find that the rudder seems to slide side to side which tranmits the banging up thru the tiller. Two sails under my belt so far with my Legacy. So far very pleased. Such an easy boat to load on the trailer.

[kahpho]

I have a Honda 2 long shaft, seemed adequate for my needs. It wouldn't initially latch in the up position though. The motor housing would hit the rub rail on the hull and prevent latching. Had to put a half inch "riser" on top of the motor mounting plate, problem fixed.

At two sails, I'm afraid you're ahead of me. I've been tied up with a mammoth landscaping project this year. Just rigged the boat and am trying hardest to get it spashed next week. It's pretty late in the season but I'm not planning to get skunked completely (fingers crossed)! I was looking at the jib sheets myself when I stepped the mast in the driveway. I was thinking inside the shrouds but I'm not sure so I've been looking to you to see what works best or just try both and whatever seems good.

Humm, rudder banging? That's a little disconcerting. Is something loose? I just ran out and checked mine and it seems snug. I'll have to watch for that and see what happens.

They are pretty impressive little boats aint they? Don't often see such quality in this size. It's what convinced me to buy one, and the classy appearence, and the good reviews, and the ease of use, and easy towing, and ...


mel

[Southwesternwinds]

I have a Honda 2 long shaft, seemed adequate for my needs. It wouldn't initially latch in the up position though. The motor housing would hit the rub rail on the hull and prevent latching. Had to put a half inch "riser" on top of the motor mounting plate, problem fixed.

At two sails, I'm afraid you're ahead of me. I've been tied up with a mammoth landscaping project this year. Just rigged the boat and am trying hardest to get it spashed next week. It's pretty late in the season but I'm not planning to get skunked completely (fingers crossed)! I was looking at the jib sheets myself when I stepped the mast in the driveway. I was thinking inside the shrouds but I'm not sure so I've been looking to you to see what works best or just try both and whatever seems good.

Humm, rudder banging? That's a little disconcerting. Is something loose? I just ran out and checked mine and it seems snug. I'll have to watch for that and see what happens.

They are pretty impressive little boats aint they? Don't often see such quality in this size. It's what convinced me to buy one, and the classy appearence, and the good reviews, and the ease of use, and easy towing, and ...


mel

Hey Kahp ho,  the rudder slides up into a slot and then a bolt and nut hold it in place.  There is some clearance between the rudder holder which is what I think I'm feeling up thru the tiller when I'm sailing. I don't know if there should be that much clearance, approx. 1/64" either side of rudder in holder. The rudder is definitely secure, I just wish it wouldn't flutter back and forth when water passes by it. 

[kahpho]

I rechecked my rudder this AM. I can detect a little play side to side if I lower the blade and push on it. Can't really see anything, but I can hear it and if I put my fingers on the lower cudgin I can feel it, very slightly. The upper one seems OK. Might try tightening the nylock nut just a bit. Don't think I would want to over tighten it though, should still pivot smoothly. Thanks for the heads up, SWwinds.

By the way, just curious what year yours is. Not that it really matters, there all'a same pretty much. Have you come up with a name yet? I've gone round and round trying to decide on one that fits. I'll reveal that in another thread.

mel