16 vs a 19

[kickingbug1]

    well it might just be a case of 3 footitis but im considering buying a 19 and selling my 16. ive measured the boat (19) on a trailer and concluded it would fit into my garage. i have a few questions though----first is rigging---i do a lot of singlehanded sailing and im 57 so ease of rigging is a concern. the second is trailering. i pull the 16 with an s 10 with a v6 with no problems either on the road or at the ranp, but i know that the 19 is considerably heavier. i really dont want to get a different tow vehicle but i do only tow it about 25 miles on level roadway. the last question is in regard to sailing feel. those of you who have sailed both boats can help me here. does the 19 sail better than a 16. i have to say i like the added room of the 19 even though i dont plan any overnighters.

[Potcake boy]

Well, it's been a while since my 16 and with a few boats in between so my memories are tainted by my inexperience when I sailed the 16.  Compared to the 19 that I now sail, I'd say the difference in the way the boats handle and sail is clearly understood by examining the difference in design. The 19 comes in at 2000 lbs. and is flat on the bottom compared to the 16's lesser weight and rounder bottom. The result is a 19 with more form stability (initial stability) and a bigger boat feel going through the waves. In a gust, the 19 is very easy to keep under control - especially with a foiled rudder. When she goes beyond 15 degrees there is increase of weather helm, but also she hardens up and with a quick sail trim adjustment she comes right back to a balanced helm. The boat does not heel so quickly that you don't have time to respond. The only time she will pound is into very step chop, but it is lesser than I would have expected given the flat bottom and not really a problem. I have sailed her in winds of 25-30 and shes not been a problem. She just seems to be very robust and built like a yacht more than daysailor. For cruising I'd say she is good for an overnighter or two for a crew of two, and quite accommodating for longer stretches single handing.  The 19 will take a little more effort to rig and launch, but is very manageable with the mast rising system which involves short side stays (stabilize mast while raising) a gin pole (provides initial angle to lift mast from deck) and I use the mainsheet system for the raising. I tow mine with a Jeep Wrangler Auto 6cyl with no problem and usually don't need 4X4 to haul her. If your S10 is 4X4 you should be fine, otherwise some extra weight in the bed should work - often you can find a couple of volunteers at the ramp and shouldn't cost more than a couple of beers.

The simple answers to your questions:
>Yes she sails with a bigger boat feel and stability
>Your S10 6cyl should do the job of towing her
>She is at the margin of what I consider a truly trailerable cruiser but is a little too much to rig for a quick evening sail. Once you are aware of what snags to watch for she rigs with reasonable ease, and after a few times you get comfortable doing it. By myself I go from arrival to ramp in about 45 minutes with out rushing (it's a challenge here in Florida to avoid breaking a sweat)

If you have the financial luxury, buy the 19 and try her out before giving up your 16. You can always resale a 19 pretty quickly as they are in short supply. The total production run I believe was around 260 or less.

[Bob Condon]

I will say that the rigging can be done single handed. I do not use a gin pole but use the mainsail halyard
as a second set of hands.

1. I fix the main sail head end of the line to the base of the mast.
2. I take the other end of the halyard and place it under the tongue of the trailer so that once I raise
the mast past 45 degrees, I can take tension on the halyard to keep it upright.

3. I bolt the mast into its base with the top of the mast overhanging the stern.
== my side rigging are all left in place so nothing to adjust.
== I loosen by backstay as much as possible.
== I put the pin to the forestay (furler in my case) at the bow where the furler attaches to the
chainplate.
== I go back and place the mast on my shouler and simply walk forward extending the mast to the upright position.
== The place where you need balance in when you need to step up on the upper deck with the mast in hand. I uslally, while in the cockpit, put the mast to a completely vertical position, tighten the halyard to hold the mast verical and climb onto the upper deck
== I go to the bow, and pull the halyard tight and pin the roller fuler (or front stay) into place.
== release halyard, tighten backstay and life is good

I do not use a gin pole because it just one more darn thing in the way and I can simply lift the mast into a vertical position.

[Bob Condon]

My sienna van pulls the 19 just fine. I trailer it 250 miles.

One item of concern is that you really need to float the boat. The length of the tongue on the trailer
is really not long enough for me. My ramp is a good concrete ramp but not really steep so I back the
trailer into the water and usually, my tailpipe is under water blowing bubbles. I don't like it... but it has worked fine.
LEAVE THE ENGINE RUNNING.
and then I set the brake and have to really give a hard push to get the trailer off the bunks....It is easier with two people because then you need to tie the boat up and get the car/trailer off the ramp.

BC

[Salty19]

kickinbug...I think you'll be able to handle setup of the CP19 just fine.  While 57, you're in real good shape and are more than strong enough to raise the mast, in my opinion.  It will probably take you another 10 minutes tops to rig it over the 16.  If I'm to understand it correctly, there is one additional shroud in the rear to connect (the two sides will already be rigged) and a little heavier mast to lift with larger sails to fit.  Also will have to use a ladder to climb the boat on the trailer.  Aside from this, it should be similar to the CP16.

And towing I agree you should be fine there too. 

Sounds exciting!  Is it the one you mentioned awhile back that an older man had for sale in Carlisle?? Good deal I hope?
Keep us informed!

[Potcake boy]

A note on the standing rigging of a 19 - it has upper and lower shrouds and a backstay, all of which may remain connected while trailing.  I loosen the backstay during rigging to provide ease of pinning the furler drum and tighten it before sailing. Had considered using one of those quick tension devices on the back stay but decided that adjusting the turn buckle each launch wasn't all that difficult or time consuming.  Again I would suggest that she is so easy to rig even a caveman can do it.

Yes a ladder is a good idea, and yes I use the extending tongue to be able to float her off the trailer.  The ramp in my neighborhood is not very steep and I can't get her far enough in the water without submerging the rear end of my Jeep so I use another steeper ramp nearby and have no problem.  Most decent ramps that I have seen should be fine.

I know that once you sail her you will be hooked and that's worth a little extra effort at the ramp.

Good luck,
Ron

[kickingbug1]

    as always good advice from all. im going to call about it and see if i have the coin. i think the old guy (near 90) is a motivated seller. i think i will ask if i can lower the mast and raise it just to see how hard it would be. i really dont know why i have 3 foot itis since i really dont want to stay aboard overnight ( at least she doesnt) and so far its been just sarah and i at the most.  and mike i guess i am in real good shape for a 70 year old guy. im probably sail on tuesday we will be thinking of you and becky. fair winds to all and again thanks for the info. hell i cant go wrong either way i will own a com-pac