How many C-19's out there with centerboards?

[Suncat a Lula]

The Compac 19xl (yr. 2002)that I just purchased has a centerboard option, which should help the boat point a little higher.  Anyone there have knowledge of how many of these boats were produced?  Seems to me that Compac Yachts should start up production on this boat!

[Craig Weis]

Well my 'CP-19 is a XL but not centerboard. Hull #588 1996.
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[Gil Weiss]

The CP16's had an XL model with a centerboard. I am not aware of any late CP19 manufactured with a CB. I am also not aware that CP19's needed any help pointing into the wind.

[Les]

I was going to buy the boat but you beat me to it!

Gerry Hutchins at Com-Pac said they made maybe four CP19's with the $695 centerboard option. They most certainly point higher and I believe he said the board down increases the draft to 3'-4" if my memory is right.

You have a fantastic boat, if you get tired of her just post me anytime.

You might want to contact Gerry at Com-Pac and get a spare parts list.

Les

[Gil Weiss]

Interesting on the four CB CP19's built by Hutch. I stand corrected. You definately have a great boat1

Enjoy, Gil

[Potcake boy]

Suncat a Lula,
So it was you that snatched up the 19 at record speed. Congratulations on the new baby. From what I saw on the ad the boat is like brand new, and a centerboarder to boot.

I purchased my 19 last year in January, and at the time did not locate a centerborder for sale or I would have chosen that option. Not that I am disappointed with the performance - it is better than I expected for the design - but the margin of performance gain would be nice. The real secret in sailing and enjoying this boat is to understand how she likes to be handled. Remember she is not a racing sailboat but instead will get you where you are going and back again in comfort and safety. With a few simple upgrades mine is capable coastal pocket cruiser, and as previously stated very trailable. I tow mine with a Jeep Wrangler 6 cylinder with no problem at all. Mine came with a mast raising system which is nice, but not necessary even when I'm alone.

One thing I would recommend that you consider is upgrading your mainsail, even though it is probably like new. This would be especially beneficial considering the upwind enhancement of a deep keel. Mine is a 2003 model and the sails were not worn out but a very deep cut so it was impossible to trim up close hauled with much efficiency. I purchased a new full batten loose footed mainsail from National Sails (Rolley Tasker) and it makes a big difference in all points of sail especially windward sailing. I get really good control over sail shape using the outhaul and the traveler that I installed. Dirk has the dimensions f my sail and can provide you with one at a reasonable cost. I will be changing out my two top battens with tapered battens to carry the shape all the way up. The shorter nontapered battens are too stiff to allow proper cord depth.

Other sailing tips have been discussed here plenty in the past so read through the archives and try some of the suggestions on sailing her. Most notable is keeping her on her feet - she starts to loose her lines and performance quickly deteriorates beyond 15degrees of heel. So your boat and your guests will appreciate sailing her pretty flat.

Enjoy,
Ron

[Suncat a Lula]

Ron,
Where do you sail?  I haven't even sailed my C-19 yet as I am still in Florida.  Leaving for California in less than a week.  It makes the trip tolerable, having virtually a new boat waiting for me!  You mentioned getting a new mainsail.  This would be hard right now as the prior owner had never used the brand new sails.  I was looking for a genoa, but am not even sure what hds'l I have.  The boat is rigged with genoa tracks and adequate winches.
Brian

[David V.]

Hi Ron,

Thanks for the info on the main sail. Everything I have read says that the full batten loose footed mainsail is the way to go. It sound like you can point higher too. Just curious, how many battens are on your sail now? Also, I would like to have the sail made with a second reef point. Do you know if that affects the number of battens for the sail? I'd be interested in your thoughts.

Thanks,
David

[Potcake boy]

Ron,
Where do you sail?  I haven't even sailed my C-19 yet as I am still in Florida.  Leaving for California in less than a week.  It makes the trip tolerable, having virtually a new boat waiting for me!  You mentioned getting a new mainsail.  This would be hard right now as the prior owner had never used the brand new sails.  I was looking for a genoa, but am not even sure what hds'l I have.  The boat is rigged with genoa tracks and adequate winches.
Brian

Suncat a Lula,
I sail out of Punta Gorda - Charlotte Harbor area.  Are you moving to California?
A quick note on sails. My main was like new, but the cut was too deep for my likes and couldn't be shaped very well.  The new main with full battens and loose foot allows for quick and easy sail control and full range of shape (I love this sail).  I have a furler so I stayed with a 110 jib, and got a North G#3 spinnaker for when the going gets light. I am extremely pleased with the combination of sails having used them for a variety of conditions. She goes to weather pretty nice with the 110 even in light conditions and mainly because of the new main. The G3 works well up to about 60 degrees. When the wind gets to low to sail and I have to be somewhere I use the #6 spinnaker. The #6 is a 6hp Yamaha 4 stroke two cylinder which will move me along at 4kts at just off of idle - nice and quiet.

Keep us up to date on the new boat,
Ron

[Potcake boy]

Hi Ron,

Thanks for the info on the main sail. Everything I have read says that the full batten loose footed mainsail is the way to go. It sound like you can point higher too. Just curious, how many battens are on your sail now? Also, I would like to have the sail made with a second reef point. Do you know if that affects the number of battens for the sail? I'd be interested in your thoughts.

Thanks,
David

David,
My main has four full battens and one reef. I don't think a second reef would change that, but I'm not sure a second reef is necesssary. Remember this boat doesn't have a lot of sail area to begin with and after one reef it's pretty minimal. If you have a traveler (much recommended) you can depower by increasing twist, and you can feather a full batten main without all the flogging . I haven't yet felt I needed a second reef and I've been in some pretty good blows.
You may want to contact Dirk at National Sail Supply - www.nationalsail.com - he is extremely knowledgable and can get it right for you. I ordered both main and a new jib and when received were perfect to my specs. The quality is top notch and the price is more than fair. The only change I need to make is to get tapered battens to replace the top two as the current are too stiff to allow proper shape in the upper section (need every little bit you can get). Really it may only need the top one replaced - I'll have to first try with the tapered top and see how the overall shape is.
If you decide to go with the loose foot I will send you pics of the outhaul I installed .

Ron

[David V.]

The mainsail is the original (1990) and that maybe why I was thinking a second reef point would be necessary. I have installed an outhaul and a boom vang, yet even with the sail reefed, I can't seem to flatten the main enough to keep from  heeling excessively when the wind gets above 25 knots. Could be struggling with a blown out sail.

David

[Potcake boy]

David
I am sure you'd be amazed how much better she will sail with a new main. To repeat myself, I am a strong proponent of travelers even on cruising boats. A traveler allows complete control of twist to power the sail according to conditions. It also does some other neat tricks but that's another discussion - probably for racers which is out of context for us Compac sailors. I have a loose footed full batten main from National Sail Supply and love it. There are a number of advantages to this configuration which I would be happy to enumerate if any one wishes. I have devised a simple and effective out haul for a loose footed sail which I would be happy to share pics and tech if needed. I stated earlier that I have not found myself in a situation that I needed a second reef. One reef and sail shape along with occasional feathering in gusts have gotten me through the worst. If I am out in open water and the wind stays above 25 it is usually too much wave action for this 19 to do much more than head for cover. If I must go to windward you'll probably see me using the #6 sail (6hp Yamaha) along with the reefed main. I like to keep some sail up for control. I hate to push her in these conditions because of the pounding, but she will take it when necessary. Of course on a beam or broad reach she will stand up nicely to a lot of wind and waves configured as above. If you can sail off the wind to your destination, you have the option of using just the jib. If you wish to discuss sails and sail control in depth - you might open a new topic on loose footed main and contemporary sail design. Sadly, American sailors seems to be stuck in neutral except for tech edge racing boats.
Ron