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Com-Pac Model Specific Discussions => CP-19's => Topic started by: crazycarl on September 20, 2016, 07:07:00 PM

Title: one thing leads to another and another and...
Post by: crazycarl on September 20, 2016, 07:07:00 PM
back in may i removed all the deck hardware and prepped and painted the anti-skid areas.

next i buffed out the entire deck and cockpit.

i then gutted the interior.

after that the weather became unbearably hot and humid, and so she sat under cover until this past saturday when i started my 2 week vacation.

i sanded the entire interior and began installing marine carpet to the cabin top.

i purchased a gallon of rust-oleum roll on truck bed liner for the anchor locker, bilge, and cockpit lockers.

i also thought i'd use it on the underside of the cockpit locker lids and bow hatch.

the extra product i intend to apply to the sole of my aluminum canoe.

this is where i spent most of this afternoon.  cleaning and sanding the interior of the canoe. dirt kept coming out of everywhere and it seemed i would never get it all removed.

then it came to removing the hatch and the cockpit locker lids.  wire brushing them was futile in removing all the old peeling paint.

so now i'm waiting for my neighbor to return home so i can borrow his sandblaster and give a good cleaning to those items.

however, as long as i have the blaster, i may as well disassemble the potbelly stove we've had on our front porch and blast and repaint it.

it's no wonder it's taking me so long to complete this renovation.

c.c.
Title: Re: one thing leads to another and another and...
Post by: Potcake boy on September 20, 2016, 09:21:32 PM
Yep, looks like you are getting tangled up in the "while ur at it's". They are like one of those old fashioned flip books, and you just can't stop flipping the pages. It drives me crazy having a bunch of unfinished projects, makes me feel overwhelmed, so I just try to focus on one at a time. At least that way you can measure your progress. But don't let the projects become the goal, remember this is to go sailing, and when you are holding the tiller against a steady tug and the wind is in your face, you won't even think about what's to be done yet.

Good luck, and go sailing. '-)
Title: Re: one thing leads to another and another and...
Post by: Tim Gardner on September 20, 2016, 10:33:03 PM
Just try to get Digit-ized, meaning keep 'em.  What in the heck are you trying to do, turn your 19 into the Queen Mary?  Carpet on the overhead?  SHEEEEEEESH!   I have a Hunter 23 with that on the overhead and it's Cheeeeezy.  Sail that boat, Man! 

Ooops!, Did I say That?  TG
Title: Re: one thing leads to another and another and...
Post by: crazycarl on September 20, 2016, 11:59:47 PM
well tim,

the cabin top was the original speckled paint and it was always coming off on us.

i've seen other 19s with the carpet on the cabin sides and thought why not the ceiling?

it won't really be seen, we don't use the v-birth, and there isn't much elsewhere.

it should add a little insulation too.

i'm not covering the main cabin ceiling, that would be cheeeeezy!  ;)

c.c.

Title: Re: one thing leads to another and another and...
Post by: Bob23 on September 21, 2016, 06:12:24 AM
And you wouldn't want the name Crazy Cheesy Carl, would you? What's next, a disco ball hanging from the ceiling???

Bob23
Title: Re: one thing leads to another and another and...
Post by: wes on September 21, 2016, 07:48:26 AM
Carl - actually that's probably not carpet you've seen on the cabin sides of other 19s; it's headliner material which you can order from Hutchins or online from Defender. I doesn't have the stiff backer that carpet has, so it bends around corners more easily.

If your bilge paint is the standard gray stuff that the factory used, try acetone on a rag (wear a respirator). I think you'll be surprised how easily it dissolves and wipes off, and makes a lot less of a mess than sanding.

Wes
Title: Re: one thing leads to another and another and...
Post by: marc on September 21, 2016, 08:19:54 AM
Carl,
I've got headliner on the cabin side walls on my 19 and have been thinking about removing it. I'm guessing that tearing it off is easy but how easy is it to sand off the adhesive residue? Don't want to get into a too big job.
Marc
Title: Re: one thing leads to another and another and...
Post by: crazycarl on September 21, 2016, 08:48:08 AM
WES, yes it is marine headliner that i'm installing.  however, extra tall shag carpet? it could be the scoobie-doo pocket yacht!

the bilge was never painted.

i canted the bow down and poured epoxy in the bilge, put large fillets in the corners, and smoothed it all out. now when the boat is floating, any water that enters the bilge will puddle towards the bow and be easier to remove. 

i'm using the bed-liner in the bilge more as a sealer.

MARC, if it was installed with spray adhesive, it can be removed with mineral spirits. no need for sanding.  you will need a lot of rags.

BOB, i never was a fan disco, so, no, i got no balls. :0
Title: Re: one thing leads to another and another and...
Post by: marc on September 21, 2016, 01:04:11 PM
QuoteMARC, if it was installed with spray adhesive, it can be removed with mineral spirits. no need for sanding.  you will need a lot of rags.

Would you happen to know whether the factory used a spray on adhesive on their 1999 boats?

Title: Re: one thing leads to another and another and...
Post by: crazycarl on September 21, 2016, 01:49:51 PM
not sure, but i don't know of any other way to install it.  our '85 came with a speckled paint job that was peeling and leaving tiny white specks everywhere.

removing could be a big project if it still has a good grip. the liner will probably tear into small pieces.

you may need a putty knife to get under it.

c.c.
Title: Re: one thing leads to another and another and...
Post by: crazycarl on September 21, 2016, 03:23:27 PM
Quote from: Tim Gardner on September 20, 2016, 10:33:03 PM
What in the heck are you trying to do, turn your 19 into the Queen Mary?  Sail that boat, Man!

tim,

unfortunately, the closet water large enough is over 2 hours away, no day sails for us. 

when we do take it out, we spend the weekend on her.  so maybe not the queen mary, but more like the smallest carnival cruise ship.

we have had such a wet and busy summer that i never had our 15' sailboat out on our little 330 acre lake.

that's pretty bad considering the marina is a 1/3 mile away from our house.

c.c.
Title: Re: one thing leads to another and another and...
Post by: brackish on September 21, 2016, 04:53:38 PM
Quote from: marc on September 21, 2016, 08:19:54 AM
Carl,
I've got headliner on the cabin side walls on my 19 and have been thinking about removing it. I'm guessing that tearing it off is easy but how easy is it to sand off the adhesive residue? Don't want to get into a too big job.
Marc

Marc, don't know what Hutchins did, but I used spray adhesive to put mine on.  Timeline:  boat (not a Compac, a Columbia 8.7), came with a foam backed perforated vinyl headliner.  Foam disintegrated after about 8 years.  I pulled it off and purchased direct from the mill a roll of what is known as non woven fabric.  It is the same thing that Compac uses today as well as many other boat makers.  I put it on with 3M spray adhesive, their most aggressive.  After about six years it got discolored as a result of a leak and I removed it and did it again because I still had 80% of that roll left.  It came off easily and did not leave much residue.  It is hidden in the texture of the woven roving and mat.  Your mileage may vary, test spot highly recommended.
Title: Re: one thing leads to another and another and...
Post by: crazycarl on September 22, 2016, 05:27:49 PM
applied the "roll on" bed liner to the anchor locker, cockpit lockers and canoe.

very messy.  i'll never use that product again.

just after finishing, i remembered a rubberized water based product that comes in various colors.

http://www.wholesalemarine.com/tuff-coat-rubberized-deck-coating-gallon.html?gclid=CjwKEAjwgo6_BRC32q6_5s2R-R8SJAB7hTG-RA5_U48TVqpFVB2Omk01VS7r5CwufgYQjbFBhDaPERoCmq_w_wcB#product_attributes_wrapper (http://www.wholesalemarine.com/tuff-coat-rubberized-deck-coating-gallon.html?gclid=CjwKEAjwgo6_BRC32q6_5s2R-R8SJAB7hTG-RA5_U48TVqpFVB2Omk01VS7r5CwufgYQjbFBhDaPERoCmq_w_wcB#product_attributes_wrapper)

too late now!

c.c.
Title: Re: one thing leads to another and another and...
Post by: crazycarl on September 28, 2016, 01:47:58 PM
well the bed liner came out nice.

the headliner is finished.

a new, larger oval shaped hawse pipe has been installed.

refinished teak handrails installed.

new homemade sliders for the cabin hatch installed.  (this is the item i was working on last year when the dado blade performed flawlessly through my finger tip)

the first coat of primer is on the hull, and of course, it's raining. so it's off to a buddies farm to place the boat in a shed in order to finish the paint job.

sorry, no pics. 

c.c.
Title: Re: one thing leads to another and another and...
Post by: Bob23 on September 28, 2016, 06:00:27 PM
Are you painting it a color?
Bob23
Title: Re: one thing leads to another and another and...
Post by: crazycarl on September 28, 2016, 09:06:24 PM
Quote from: Bob23 on September 28, 2016, 06:00:27 PM
Are you painting it a color?
Bob23

YES!
Title: Re: one thing leads to another and another and...
Post by: Bob23 on September 29, 2016, 04:39:21 AM
Ok...what color? Keepin' us in suspense, you are.
Title: Re: one thing leads to another and another and...
Post by: crazycarl on September 29, 2016, 09:46:13 AM
You can see it at next year's CLR :)
Title: Re: one thing leads to another and another and...
Post by: crazycarl on September 29, 2016, 05:35:49 PM
ok, i wanted it to be a surprise, but...

the interior is covered in orange shag carpet and the exterior will be primer.

my mother is quilting me some new sails from sacks i took out of the grain elevator trash bin.

i'm creating a "billy" sailboat.

(http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m533/aubelecarl/boat%20improvements/20160929_150901_zpsvnr4dytp.jpg)

now anyone with a rusty 'ole f150 will be proud to tow this boat!


c.c.
Title: Re: one thing leads to another and another and...
Post by: crazycarl on October 03, 2016, 08:57:48 PM
1st coat of primer went on too thick.  3 hours of power sanding fixed it.

2nd and 3rd coat of primer went on good with 2 1/2 hours of wet sanding between coats.

1st coat of perfection went on horrible.  bubbles didn't pop.  3 1/2 hours of power and 3 hours of wet sanding fixed that.

2nd coat went on with about 10% bubbles not popping.  2 1/2 hours of wet sanding.

3rd coat of paint went on GREAT!  except didn't cover 100%, so 3 more hours of wet sanding.

tomorrow i'll put a 4th and hopefully last coat on as i need to get the boat out of my buddies building by wednesday night.   

yes sir, i sure know how to spend my vacation. 

the skin on my hands is as smooth as the day i was born and my fingerprints are worn away.

my wife has always accused me of enjoying working on boats more than sailing them. is it wrong?

i thinks she exaggerates, after all, this is only my 5th sailboat renovation in the last 13 years.

c.c.
Title: Re: one thing leads to another and another and...
Post by: wes on October 03, 2016, 09:45:48 PM
Carl - are you spraying the Perfection, or roll-and-tip? Comment about bubbles is odd, I've used a lot of Perfection with no bubbles. Did you observe the 20 minute resting period after mixing the paint and before applying it?
Title: Re: one thing leads to another and another and...
Post by: crazycarl on October 03, 2016, 09:59:23 PM
wes,

i'm rolling it on.  i use a 4" high density foam roller. 

yes, i actually timed the 20 minute "induction" period and also set a timer so i wouldn't go past the 2 hour "pot life".

1st, i roll it on.  2nd, i roll over it again (immediately) with extremely light pressure to remove the bubbles.  i used this method on the other boats applying "topsides" and they came out as if they had been sprayed.

i tried the "roll and tip" method, but the brush marks never disappeared.  so much for $20 rollers and the $38 brush.

the last coat came out very nice, however, it didn't cover 100%, so an additional coat is warranted.

i'm not sure if the low temps (mid 60s) or humidity (raining all week) was the culprit, but the last coat was applied on a dry day with a space heater running inside the boat.

it won't be as nice a job as "Bella", but she is an exceptional looking lady.

c.c.
Title: Re: one thing leads to another and another and...
Post by: brackish on October 04, 2016, 07:42:31 AM
Your paint schedule/results is similar to my recently finished epoxy composite skiff.  I did spray the perfection though which meant I got to the point of failure a lot quicker.  Nary a bubble however, runs, sags, holidays, over spray dusting, and a little orange peel.  In retrospect I attribute it to old eyes, poor lighting, marginal capacity air compressor and drier, and an HVLP gun that will force me to spend the bucks for an Iwata, Sata, Binks, or Devilbiss (the good one, not DAPC stuff) for my next venture into high expectation painting.  Of course that will force me to also spend on more and drier air.  One thing will indeed lead to another.

Good luck and remember, all's well that eventually ends well.:)
Title: Re: one thing leads to another and another and...
Post by: crazycarl on October 04, 2016, 11:58:48 AM
i put another coat on this morning.

the 1st quarter looks awesome, then it looks as if there are spots of bubbles and areas without shine.

i'll know tomorrow morning when i lose my shelter and must bring her home.

i believe now my problem is with the rollers.  the thinner is different than the "brightsides" thinner and may be reacting negatively with them.

if another coat is needed, it will have to wait 'til next year, and i'll find better rollers.

for now my hands are raw from all the wet sanding and fall is a busy time around here with yard work.

c.c.


Title: Re: one thing leads to another and another and...
Post by: Salty19 on October 05, 2016, 08:03:31 PM
Wow...as usual you are hard at work on projects!  You are a better man than I, that's for sure.  Can't wait to see the results at CLR2017.   I suspect the color of the boat won't be announced prior to the event!