I am getting 3 ft itis again. Love my 16.
The rub is, that at 250lbs+ and age 60 in a few months, getting to the mast for various tasks and working the mooring cleat in the water is a death defying experience. I can live with the knee knocking in the cockpit (not thrilled about it tho).
My 16 is a 1982 with the pulpit option (headstay on the hull). 3 hp Nissan, cdi furler and brand new main (National). Trailer is ok. A few gel coat cracks (typical for a 1982) and interior could use some paint. Keel seems ok. She sails and looks decent.
IF I sell her, how much is a fairprice. I always lose money on boats, so dont want alot. $1400 about right?
comments?
Strikes me as underpriced, especially with a new main. For comparison there is here in Denver an '83 currently listed on CL (Aug. 17), motor extra, for $2500. That seems more in line for an asking price. But if you always sell boats for too little, take it from me: I always pay too much for boats....
Jett
Hey hinmo:
I agree with Jett, you are starting low.
I purchased an 1989 C-16III for $2700 off the internet. We kept it for about 4 years and with three new sails, a foiled rudder, and a bunch of work, sold it in NC three years ago for around $4000.
Wasn't there recently a post for a sailer wanting to trade down from a 23D to a C-16?
As an old guy too, I recommend a C-27.
Without seeing your boat I would say $2500 is a good starting price.
regards charlie
yup - there's some good things about her, on the other hand, as I mentioned there's some mediocre things.
I truly do think shes a perfect little sloop and I am torn. But as I said, I'm getting to be a liability on her
I sail in Buzzards Bay Ma, my harbor has alot of chop.
Grossly under priced. With a good trailer and sails it should go for $2500 - 3000.
Hmmm - maybe I overpaid - purchased mine for 4200 - was in very nice shape with new sails and no motor
trailers functional, I dragged her from CT to Ma a three years ago, since then, put a new axle on (turned out it didn't need it). The bunks could use some more carpet.
Put it on CL for $1750.
My theory, buy high sell low (and retire late!)
Also the upgraded rudder.
I will post a listing on classified - thx
(Massachusetts)
ok....took her out in 15kts+ tonite with 2 crew and myself and large cooler of beer (much more weight than I normally run), new main, .....that's it, she's off the market....great sail, so simple, got pics coming
hope I didn't waste anyone's BW...3 ft-itis strikes again !!!
Proof a CP16 can handle some weight! Wish I could tilt my old 2s Nissan up higher, but thats the max.....dragging her all the time. Nice Sail, 15Kts with full sails. New national main. Scuppers were under water and I forgot my plugs, but when we leveled out, she drained fine.
Had my CP for sale 2x this year.....some interest. Meanwhile have been looking at the 3+ft upgrade. Wow, there's some deals, and junk out there. Tough part is figuring out the "deals". Driving home from a disappointing showing yesterday, wife and I turned to each other and said...."Keep the 16", its better than most we are looking at and a known entity, and we can live with its size limitations.
Got home, removed it from Craigs....going for a sail shortly!!!
Yup, they are simply fun and seaworthy little boats. Just got one again after over 30 years since our first CP16. Just like riding a bicycle, the ole feeling comes right back!
Quote from: Mas on September 27, 2016, 03:02:24 PM
Yup, they are simply fun and seaworthy little boats. Just got one again after over 30 years since our first CP16. Just like riding a bicycle, the ole feeling comes right back!
welcome back!
That 3-foot-itus really is a tough disease to fight. It can cured but sometimes it easier to just manage the symptoms.
Is there anything you can do to make it safer to go on deck? A Jackline and tether comes to mind. I am considering splicing a very thick (1") piece of 8 strand line wide enough to sit at the base of the mast and long enough to lay back to, but not in the cockpit , simply to use to grab onto when the going gets tough. I will probably not get around to it, but who knows.
Of course, on our CP19 going up on deck is no problem with her wide toe rails, handholds, lifelines and rock stable character. CP19's are a known cure for3-foot-itus, so I no longer just manage symptoms to get by. 6 years now and still cured. Some say it's even fighting off 7-foot-itus, but never say never.
Salty - Darn you, you're right! Exactly my thoughts including the merits of the 19. I looked at one, and it seemed that it would solve a lot of my current issues.
On the 16, I will try and add a line for stability and mooring functions to keep me in the game.
Meanwhile, if a 19 comes available close to home and medium+ condition within the next 6 months, I will act on it.
Its down to a Bristol Corinthian (yup - full keel, I know, I grew up sailing them)...or a CP19, or keep my sweet 16.
Hinmo, I wonder if you really need to go up on deck much with your 16 (I sail one also). I notice you have a furler, so barring troubles with that, there is little need to get up on deck while sailing to pull the jib down and/or secure it. My CDI works very well (I do sail a 16/3 with the sprit arrangement), so I rarely need to get up on deck to do anything with it while out on the water. I do have lifelines, which feels a bit more secure while on deck, but they can actually get in the way sometimes, like mooring hookups.
On that point, I agree. It's not always fun to work a mooring line from the deck, but I'm not sure a larger boat really helps make that easier (I've moored a 20 footer, too, and still felt awkward when dangling over the bow to secure lines). Same with mast work: some tasks there are still the same no matter the size (up to a point). On the whole, I find smaller boats easier to raise/lower the mast, sails, work halyards, topping lifts, etc. All in all, I still like my 16, but it is a small boat, no getting around that!
Jett
Points well made, Jett.
Since shes on a mooring its a twice-a-sail trip to the bow for the pennant, minimum.
Certainly possible, just not too pleasurable.
Double your price.
Hey Hinmo,
The 16's and 23's sail very similar and IMHO are the easiest and most comfortable to sail of the Compac designs. They don't pound, they have great secondary stability and actually are quite fast for their designs. The 19's are twice the boat of a 16 but they do sail differently. They have good initial stability but less so secondary. They also are prone to pound. Still great boats though, just different design considerations.
A fella named Robert Burgess wrote a great book called "The Handbook of Trailer Sailing" that has much info about the 16''s, 19's, and 23's. One of the good tips from him to limit going forward on his 16 when weather was bad was to install what is essentially a jib downhaul. Quarter inch line tied off at mast run through the jib bow shackle then up to the head of your jib (make sure the line is long enough for this task). Then to haul in your jib you simply uncleat it and let the halyard slip through your fingers while hauling it down with your downhaul. Cleat both off and jib is down and you never went forward.
There is never an end to wishing more, but sometimes less is more. The name of our 16 is Mas, because she is!
Interesting perspective on the 19. Thanks
There was a 23 for sale cheap here in New England, but the owner has not responded to me.
BTW - my 16 has a jib furler so I don't have to go fwd to raise the foresail.
23's are great boats. Just sold one to a family up in New England. I'm sure they will enjoy her much. No Mas NE is his intro to the forum.
Didn't realize you had a furler. Our little 16 has a working jib and a 155 genny.
Good luck with your decision. We are very happy to have a 16 again!