I purchased my CP 19 MkII at end of last year. For previous 2 years I sailed a Boston whaler 5.2 harpoon with Torqeedo 1003 electric outboard.
Motor did all I asked and went on CP 19. I added a spare battery thinking I would need to run the 3 horse equivalent at higher rev to move the heavier CP.
All worked well until today, July 4th. Torqeedo powered well in reverse out if slip, but prop did not catch in forward, or reverse later. It spun at low revs while motor was spinning on high. I hit hard bottom with prop earlier in weekend and suspect I stripped the prop. I had already ordered a spare and will change when it is received. I tried to tighten the 5/11 prop nut, it helped in reverse, but prop slipped again in forward. I was happy to have just enough prop spin to avoid a tow by local jet ski gang, and gain slip without help.
No booze was harmed or spilt in returning to dock.
Has anyone had same issue?
Regards,
Brian- Barnegat bay
Hope you will continue to post about the 19/Torqeedo combo after you fix the prop. My Mercury 4 cycle 5 hp has expired and I'm seriously interested in going electric. Love everything I've seen about the Torqeedo but not certain it will get me safely home on a blowy, choppy day. Keep us posted!
Wes
I have the same questions as Wes regarding the ability of the Torqeedo to handle a C19 .. Would very much like to go electric and not have to battle the engine to sail! So any insights into the range of experiences would be appreciated.
Jim
You could also consider a Torqeedo Cruise 2.0 or 4.0 (5 to 6 HP and 8 to 10 HP equivalent) which would certainly be adequate even though they are less convenient (and more expensive) because of the remote battery(s). In my case, placing the batteries forward in the bilge actually helped with trim.
Wow I just checked the web site. The cruise 4 is 5G and the two remote batteries 5G plus other items like a controller and cut off switch. Over 10 G? Is that right? On top of that you will have limited range. Then you have to make sure they are charged when you want to go out for a long weekend or week cruise. What would you do if you were cruising and the batteries were too low?
I can't justify that cost and to me it seems inconvenient. A reasonably maintained 8hp O.B. so much less in initial cost and reliable for years.
Tom L.
A Torqeedo 1003L came with my Sun Cat purchased by the previous owner. I prefer my Tohatsu 3.5 hp primarily because of the limited range of the Torqeedo.
Over the years I have looked at electrical propulsion, and it has been improving a lot recently. Schock Harbor 20 comes with electrical power. The Torqueedo model range has been expanded and is viable but as was pointed out, they are damn expensive. If only the battery technology could match the needs of extended cruising then aside from the cost we'd have a winning solution. I was looking at a Cruise 4.0 model for example and discovered that the model designation is determined by the power requirement, the 4.0 is 40 amps at 48VDC. It could work if I could just bring myself to mount a huge generator on the boat.
I did find great success on a Picnic Cat with a trolling motor and a battery mounted forward. It provided good trim for the boat and was adequate for day sailing. Trolling motors are a fraction of the cost of Torqueedos and work fine on small displacement sailboats. As far as I know, trolling motors are designed to provide a maximum speed of about 5mph (hint: the word trolling) and are therefore suitable for our purpose, and you just need thrust rating to match your displacement.
In the mean time, I think the common consensus is that it's hard to justify electric over gas outboards.
If any one has a success story about using electrical propulsion, please share it.
Based on my past 2 years with the Torqeedo 1003L, my confidence level is high. But I had to take in several considerations.
First, I had to get spare battery to push heavier boat at high revs.
Second, I am in protected bay, with gentle shore and sand/mud bottom. Worse case is have to shelter out a rough blow if I am too far to power in. I am the type that refuses to motor, except to get in slip. That was my neighbors decision, not mine.
I just received replacement prop, and will try to update post with various weather/wave/mileage updates. Now, I use it for 300 yard run down lagoon to slip.
Regards,
Brian
I've had a Torqeedo 1003L for 2 years now, which I use with my 1986 CP 19 MKII on a lake in Pennsylvania. I absolutely love it, and it's perfect for my purposes, which are getting in and out of my slip onto the lake, and sometimes motoring around the lake when there is no wind. I would be hesitant to use it in conditions such as strong currents or long distances unless I had a spare battery, as the power drains fairly quickly when it's under a lot of stress. On our lake, however, I can motor literally for hours without worry. I had an issue with the power cable shorting out last year, (a very rare occurance, they tell me) and after I contacted the company, they had me ship it to their repair center in Conneticut, and I had it back within a week, all expenses paid by Torqueedo. Great customer service. After dealing with tempermental gas engines for years, the Torqueedo can't be beat. Starts every time!!!!!! Lots of people on our lake are getting them.
Electric currently is definitely more expensive but is the most elegant auxiliary power I've ever had in more than 60 years of sailing. Have a Torqeedo Cruise 4.0 in my Horizon Cat going on two years now and more than satisfied. Cabin still has that new wood smell and when you need power, just drop your hand to the throttle lever and off you go! With the 205 AH batteries I installed, range is not a problem - 35 NM at 4.5 KT and can reach hull speed at 6 KT to get through an inlet but sacrificing range to under 10 NM.
Now for the down side. It was expensive at $4000 for the motor/control package and $2000 for the batteries plus cabling, charger, etc. Battery weight adds 500 pounds but as mentioned above, putting one or two forward makes the trim easier (one of mine was dropped into the keel forward of the centerboard trunk and the other three in the space where the diesel would have mounted). You do need to cruise between marinas so that you can plug in overnight (although if you were just using power for occasional maneuvering, solar recharge would probably work and with smaller batteries).
Overall, very, very happy with electric power. If you want the details on my installation (which was much more elaborate than hanging the Cruise 4.0 on the transom) - http://cpyoa.geekworkshosting.com/forum/index.php?topic=6926.msg50151#msg50151
I think I read somewhere that when you are sailing you need to raise the prop out of the water or the natural spin of the prop can damage the electric motor. Is this true? My frustration is that when I raise my outboard bracket to the highest setting and engage the tilt on the torqeedo, the throttle handle does not pivot high enough to comfortably clear the top of the transom. I end up having to take the handle off and unplug it during sail which is annoying. This is on a sun cat.
Bilge Rat,
You can purchase a longer cord for the throttle handle and re-position the throttle handle to a better place. My friend, Gil Weiss, who has a CP 19 and had similiar issues, did this and fashioned a neat place in the cockpit to place the throttle handle, keeping it out of the way. I'll contact him and perhaps he can explain better what he did, and perhaps post some pictures.
Bilge rat, I have that issue on my cp 19, but I rotate the Torqeedo 180 degrees and she rides nice with the handle up.
I had thought of trying to rotate the handle 90 degrees to get it out of the way but if it goes 180 degrees then all the better. Thanks for this tip.
I have been happily sailing a 1983 Compac 19, no 184, for the past eight years at Lake Nockamixon in SE Pennsylvania.
(refer to my sailing friend Ralph Ericson's post above. Also check out Bilge Rats post) This is my 5th year using the Torqeedo LS 1003 electric motor.
I bought a 5 foot tiller extension cable from Torqeedo and designed and fabricated a few parts to make the motor fit my CP19 situation. NO mods are needed to the actual motor - a design consideration. I made a bracket to bolt to the rear seat, aka gas tank cover to which the tiller is held on with velcro. I then made a "stub tiller" to steer the motor when needed without interfering with the transom or railing. Finally, I fabricated a 3 inch high wood extension for my motor mount. This keeps the motor out of the water when in the vertical position while at my dock. (I take the battery home and put the tiller in the cabin)
All wood parts were made from pieces of red oak purchased at Lowes. They were finished with several coats of Cetol.
I drive from the port rear seat so the tiller is perfectly located to see the display and use the throttle. This set up works great. It also allows me to tilt up the motor when sailing. I keep the stub tiller and other motor parts tethered to the boat so nothing can be lost. I also removed half the springs from my raising/lowering motor mount since the Torqeedo weighs so little.
My Torqeedo Cruise 4.0 freewheels at about 3 1/2 knots and has not caused any problems. When researching this issue during the design phase, the answer was that it does not affect the Torqeedo system.
Nice set up. I'm glad to learn about the 5 ft. tiller extension cable. I assume the only reason you would need the stub tiller for the torqeedo would be if you needed more power to turn the boat in heavy chop? That's usually the only time I need to turn the motor - most of the time I just steer with the rudder.
Gil, nice set up. I can't see the tiller control panel with standard for illegal mounted to engin without leaning over the stern and reading upside down. Your method is simple, and smart.
Thanks,
Illegal or tiller, either I cannot type, spell, or my mind wandered....
I need the stub tiller mainly for backing out of my slip. I turn the motor in conjunction with the tiller. Using both simultaneously can execute a very tight turn. My set up works well. The stub tiller is a press fit into the motor. I have all removable parts tethered to the boat stern rail with 1/8th braided line. The battery and motor are tethered with 1/4 line.
I take off the tiller, stub tiller and battery but leave the motor stalk vertically on my boat while in the slip. The mount raises it so it just clears the water surface. The way the tiller mounts on the rear seat makes twisting it forward or backward intuitive.
This is my 4th year using the Torqeedo and it has worked perfectly. No more motor stress like I had with the gasoline engines.
Does anyone know what the required 5th year maintenance item is? It is mentioned in the manual
This is my second year with my HDC and Toqeedo 1003L. The Torqeedo has worked perfectly. I use it to motor from my slip out to the inner harbor, and then back after sailing. I usually have 70-75% battery left after bringing the boat back to the dock, so have not needed an extra battery,or solar charger. I do not use the tiller throttle on my boat. Instead I bought the remote throttle and keep the motor locked forward. The remote throttle is great, and my Torqeedo tilts up without rotating it during sailing.
Here is a YouTube vid using the remote throttle:
Rob
https://youtu.be/xROgPQlFzK0
Gil - any comments on performance of the T1003 on your 19 in various weather situations? Power, battery life, etc.? Curious minds want to know...
For my situation in a lake this motor is perfect. At full speed it will move my CP19 at 5 mph. Range at that speed and battery drain is about 4 miles. At the "sweet spot" of about 2.2 mph range is about 20 miles. Its done OK in some 15 or more mph winds. But, we don't have any tides in the lake.
If I were at the Jersey shore in the bay, or on a tidal river, I would pay attention to weather and tide forecasts. Going against a strong tide and wind, might be difficult. This motor generates around 3 hp. However, electrics have a lot of torque which is good to move a heavy boat at slow speed.
Since switching my 6 hp 4 stroke gas outboard to the Torqeedo 1003 4.5 years ago I have had no stress regarding stalling outboards, non staring outboards, etc. No gasoline to mess with, no smell, etc. You push the button to activate the, turn the throttle handle and go. Easy and stress free. . . .
BTW, the GPS system acts as a speedometer when sailing with the motor tilted out of the water.
Was just checking the Torqeedo web site. They have a new 915Wh battery for the 1003. My current battery is about 530 Wh. With the new battery you can go full throttle for 1 hour. It's not cheap...$999 ($875 at Defender). This battery in combo with my current battery would fix my range worries!
Rob
they appear to be the only players in the game right now so I guess they can command these prices.
The important thing is that they are making a very high quality product. My 1003 retailed for $1999, and i got it on sale from Defender for $1600. A 4hp Yamaha is is $1499 at Defender, and Yamaha is the only gas outboard I would buy. So Torqeedo is not that far off on their price, especially given that they are.on the cutting edge of a new technology. Their customer service is also excellent. I love that I don't have to deal with ethanol gas, and yearly maintenance. Bringing a 10# battery home to charge is no big deal. Also the lack of noise, vibration, and gasoline odor are great!
Rob
In many respects, electric vehicles (EV) and torqeedos are similar. The biggest obstacle to both is range and the accompanying "range anxiety", when compared to combustion engines. For the Torqeedo I suppose you could purchase another battery at $600 (not cheap at least for my budget) to double your range, which wouldn't work for an EV. But I agree in terms of maintenance, electric vs. gas outboard, you can't beat the torqeedo.
Although Torqeedo is "the only (domestic) game in town" for outboards, Mastervolt has an extensive line of inboard and hybrid drives. West Marine has a pretty good summary of alternative propulsion - http://www.westmarine.com/WestAdvisor/Electric-And-Hybrid-Propulsion-Systems
Mr. Weiss:
Elk River and wife would be interested in seeing the set up on the 19 at Lake Nockamixon some time. Elk River just had part of left lung removed and anticipates that pulling the cord on his Honda 5 could be a problem and the Torquedo might really be the ticket. Mrs. Elk is sure she's not going to be a reliable starter. We are headed out to Denver for a month so won't be around to look for a while but SE PA is close enough if you are game. We need to cogitate and make a plan to keep us mobile and independent.
You can text me at: six one 7 - 78 zero - 9 five 93, or e-mail: bradley two-four-four (use the numbers) at gmail.com.
Thank you,
Elk River and his thoughtful wife
I just left the Annapolis Sailboat show and Torqeedo was there in force. I had great discussions with there tech on some issues I had with prop removal.
I am adding the remote throttle, tracker app to show range, and need to make a stub tiller. I will post photos when complete.
Torqeedo 1003, with extra battery is still "just" enough to get us home. FYI- have storm jib now for long hauls...
Season 2 with Torqeedo 1003L an CP 19II. Did get remote throttle, but not yet installed. The App works great on iPhone for seeing battery range on real time chart.
New battery was just launched with 2x life, but expensive at $900 Usd.
Keeping 2 of the older batteries on board to extend range.
Where do you store your batteries?
I keep 1 on the v berth. I have the carry bags for them. I have 3 batteries and 2 bags. On long trips, I put the third battery where gas storage is as they is usually empty.
I always rotate them. 1 battery stays is v-berth, 1 stays home, and 1 goes with me to and from the boat on each sail for a recharge. They are much easier to handle than a gas can, and you can switch on the fly if needed. It can be stressful if you are in heavy swells or wakes to switch the batteries.
FYI- your old mainsail is looking good.
I have to learn how to load a photo. I attached a photo of your old main. I like the loose foot slugs.
Thanks again.
Glad you are enjoying it.
Phil
My 1003L got me to and from a 32 mile round trip in light winds. Burned through 3 bateries but averaged about 5 knots on each 16 mile leg.
The first attempt dead into 20 mile + winds and 2-3 foot seas ended in a return to dock. I was draining the batteries too quick, and did not have any cove to shelter in for the battery change. Smple operation in calm water, a bit more stressful when riding a bucking bronco...
No surprises, Torqeedo did not let me down, but need to plan ahead, and those batteries are expensive...newest battery with extended range was My go to for the challenging stretch, the turn and run for home, and the two bridge crossings.
I've been thinking about getting one of these for my dinghy. I'm glad to see it's working so well for you.