Ladies and gents:
In stark contrast to my former procrastinative ways, I would like to get a jump on the BBB 2016 and propose a date: Or at least get the ball rolling. Not having any clue about anyone else's schedule or plans, I hereby propose that we plan this epic event to be held on the last full weekend in June in the year of our Lord two thousand and sixteen. The translates out to Friday June 24th through Sunday June 26th. Or something like that.
If you are new to this and are unfamiliar with the Barnegat Bay Bash, you can do a search and learn all about this one of a kind event. So, how 'bout it? The date is super adjustable and because this is a small gathering, we are able to set the date to accommodate the most amount of people. So let's keep the ball rolling.
I'm sure that some of you are wondering if this is really Bob23 writing, considering I'm such a procrastinator. Today was the date of the 4th Annual Mid Winter Gathering of the East Coast Compac-o-nauts and it came up in discussion so I thought I'd post before I forgot all about it.
For the cause,
Bob23
Bob:
I just put the dates on our calendar; we are flexible if the dates change a bit.
Elk River
Great, Brad! As the first to reply, I have ordered a gold embossed PBR pint glass with your name on it!
Um, gee, thanks, I guess...
Elk River
What is PBG?, Pabts Blue Garbage?
Ha!!!! You caught me. Pabst Blue Gold!!!!
Frank.....99 % "in" Suncat
Rick Langer.....90 % "in" pending dates Suncat
Kevin..... 90% 'in' Com-Pac 23
* Pending Daughter's HS graduation and visiting family.
Aaarg! Sounds like a plan! I plan to be there. Will we be debarking from Forked River again?
Marty K.
81 CP16 Pegasus
Who knows? Ya know how hard it was to arrive at a date? The marina at Southwinds is probably quite full in June but I'll do some asking around when the date gets closer. We'll come up with a plan!
Bob23
Unfortunately, that weekend Cathay and I will be in Florida, likely sweating profusely that time of the year!
Mike
Remember Mike: The date is not cast in concrete yet. I'm just trying to get a jump on things contrary to last year. Hope you can make it.
Bob23
Just a reminder to all you BBB attendees and attendee wannabes: I'm still here...the BBB will happen and the dates are somewhat flexible.
That is all!!!!
Bob23
Rick n I are still 95% "in" pending dates
2x suncats
Madame Z wants to go.....if the new hip cooperates we will give it a shot! Our dates are flexible.
-Allen
aha!!!! The game's afoot!!!!
Well if we can we will just have to crash this little party! Will have to have a long block as we will come by boat. It is a boat oriented gathering right! :)
oh Bob we can be somewhat flexible as well. In fact if the Tangier trip happens, we will then have to turn around to head to Ocracoke for a couple weeks or so after the crazy weekend is over. Then it will be trying to head up there. Going up the bay to the C&D canal would be an interesting trip. Are there any bridge clearances we would have to be concerned with? 30ish and under?
When are you thinking of heading this way? Know you have kicked around the Chesapeake cruise things for a while. Spring or fall right!?
Just getting around to seeing this, Rick. Indeed, the BBB is a very loosely organized (or highly disorganized) gathering of us Compac-o-nauts and those who wish they were. Think of the CBMWG multiplied and on the water for multi days.
It's a pretty long sail from where you are and I don't have info on bridge clearances. I'd imagine once you found yourself in Cape May, NJ, you could sail outside to either Beach Haven inlet and then take the ICW up to Tice's shoals or come in Barnegat Inlet which is pretty close to Tice's. For more info on the BBB, check out some of the previous threads.
Cheers! Hey: I just remembered we owe each other a Guinness!!!!
I thought it was the port you so greedily slurped the last few ounces of.
So cruel you are. I savored the last few drops...and right in front of everyone! What nerve! You'd think I was from NJ!!!!
Revisiting this thread, the tentative dates are still set for June 24th through June 26th. Since we are so far off, there is still time to adjust to the benefit of the populous of attendees. Don't let the opportunity pass you by to attend this epic event. More coming...
Bob23
Bob,
Those dates still work for me.
-Allen
Ok...looks like a blew it big time here. Well, not really me but my niece who decided her wedding is more important than the BBB 2016! Can you believe she had the nerve to schedule her wedding the same weekend? I mean...where is her sense of priority!!!!!
Looks like I'll be in New York State somewhere at her wedding on June 25th. What other alternate dates will work for you fellers? So sorry about this. I'll disown her right after the wedding.
Bob23
Hey, stuff happens, right?
I couldn't make it on the original date anyway, as I'll be in Florida from June 25 to July 10th (sweating profusely).
So, as for possible alternate dates that work for me, I'll throw out a few weekends surrounding the original dates:
June 4,5
June 11,12
June 18,19 (The 19th is Father's day however).
July 16,17
July 23,24
And I will be solo sailing again on my Precision 21, so if anyone would need a ride to Tice's and a bunk, let me know!
Mike
The last weekend in July is good!
The last weekend in July may conflict with the tail end of the CLR. Depending on how long I stay out there, what I'm towing and how long it takes to get back to NJ, it could work. Lets come up with a few dates that work for most of us. Sorry for this last minute wrench!
Bob23
As it turns out, my niece's daughter is graduating on the June 24 weekend so that would have been difficult. Anytime in July or August looks good for me.
-Allen
Methinks that any weekend in July or August is okay with me. I would think that the later we have it, the warmer the ocean and bay will be. And what about congestion? How crowded will Tice's be with stinkpots? I know Bob won't mind rowing a couple of miles from an anchorage to the island. My wimpy right arm might cause me to row in circles!
Marty K.
July works better for me anyway....no worries. :)
The second third and fourth weekends in August is good for me.
TG
Well, after a brief absence, I'm back! Work has been nuts and I spent a lot of time prettying up Koinonia, or Koinpurse as Kev's Admiral Lesa has so affectionately renamed her.
I'm hereby proposing the weekend of August 19 through 21st as the official date for the prestigious 2016 Barnegat Bay Bash. Some have asked why it's called a Bash when it's really just an informal get together of a bunch of aging Compact-o-nauts who can barely stay up past 9. Well, the honest answer is, when you attend you will either do one of two things: Bash yourself in the head wondering why you came. Or, bash yourself in the head and wonder why you didn't attend the earlier Bash's. Either way, we guarantee a weekend which will etch itself permanently in your brain.
Borrowing a line from "Back to the Future"- Be there, or be square!
Bob23, Chief Instigator of the BBB!
The game is afoot! Date sounds good to me.
Marty K.
Great! We have our first victim! Anyone else brave enough?
Bob23
Count me as tentative.
(I'm hoping for at least 30kn winds. I want to see if Bob can make the mast touch the water this time. :^)
Larry.
I'll do my best. It used to be easy when I sailed a Seapearl!!
Bob23
I can bring my old Sunflower. First time ever in a sailboat (solo) on the bay in Ocean City, I managed to turn turtle in about 30 seconds! Had no clue how to right it. A motorboat with a bunch of young girls stopped and asked if I needed help. With a sheepish grin I gladly accepted. All this within view of the dock (where I launched) and my wife and her college friends! Oh, by the end of the day, I was giving rides to everyone!!
Marty K.
P.S. That was about 45 years ago!
hey: you got the attention of a bunch of young girls. You must be doing something right! Looking forward to seeing you at the epic 2016 BBB!
That should work for me, we take Robin to school on the 18th if I remember correctly. Can't confirm at this time if Lesa will attend, but I'm sure Bob23 can talk her into it. :)
PS. Maybe we'll even bring the dog, Attie. :D
That is great! It's kind of a prerequisite that Lesa be there! I'll bring the Guinness!
Bob23
She is already saying she will not attend. :/
Let's just see about that...
Bob,
That date will work for me...as long as "work" doesn't get too crazy.
I'll start polishing my anchor.
-Allen
Ah yes, Allen. That would be great if you can be there. You are the only sailor I know who has a dual purpose anchor that doubles as a mirror!
Bob23
Folks, finally remembered my password. I bought my cp-19II too late for last years bash. I am now on Barnegat Bay, at mouth of Kettle Creek, Drumpoint Marina, Brick.
Moved boat down from Loenardo, Sandy hook bay. Had to put the trailer out of its misery afterwards.
So far so good (sails a bit blown out, same as my mid section). With my mighty Torqeedo 1003 back up egg beater, I will meet y'all at Tices Shoals. Praying for a rare northern wind...
Regards,
Brian
Looking forward to meeting up with you Brian. Just don't pray too hard for a "northern wind". That's what we had last year. Quite an adventure! We kept Pegasus snuggled up at her slip in Forked River and dared the bay in Bob23's CP23 Koinonia. And yes, we got a little wet. Had the jib out for less than a minute... enough!
Marty K.
81 CP16 Pegasus
P.S. Check out the videos from K3v1n for BBB-2015 - CPYOA 2015 BBB 'The Marty K Perspective' (ftp://cpyoa%202015%20bbb%20'The%20Marty%20K%20Perspective')
Marty, had a perfect rare northern wind, 12-15 on July 2, it was great. Full main, but kept hanker on jib ready to raise, but it sat on deck all day. Yesterday, the southerly returned, but blew about the same.
I am still learning boat, and increasing range each sail. My target for July 4 is to make it to route 37 bridge, about 1/2 way Tices shoals for me.
Regards,
Brian
Just looked up Kettle Creek. You be up there a bit Brian. Maybe one day we can meet at the 37 bridge.
Here is a working link for that video Marty mentioned. :)
CPYOA 2015 BBB 'The Marty K Perspective' (https://youtu.be/I7i_XdLr2V4)
Stay tuned for Bash update soon. I'm thinking of a repeat of last year where some of us stayed overnight at a reserved slip at Southwinds Marina, which is near the Lattitudes restaurant where we'd eat dinner Friday night. Let me clarify the word "repeat". What we don't want is a repeat of the weather and wind last year.
More details coming soon. What I'd like is a headcount of slips I need to reserve. Saturday night will be spent at anchor over at Tice's Shoals where just over the dunes, the ocean swimming is the best.
Stay tuned..I haven't forgotten about the BBB. I just spend too much time working and not enough playing!!!
Bob23
We wait with bated breath...................
Marty, thanks for the video link of the Compac power squadron at last years BBB. I remember that day, and I ended up in the Manasquan reservoir on my Bauer 12.
I fear my Torqeedo egg beater my not be able to keep pace...
God has intervened, and my wife volunteered me fo my Church picnic that Friday. I need to figure out the timing, but wind and waves permitting, I am planning to be down midday sat, and return Sunday.
This may be first night spent in boat. Not sure if wife is ready to meet Bob...
Regards
Finbar: Don't believe all those bad things they say about me. Lies, lies...all lies!!!
Oh Boy, so I have conflicting events planned for this weekend turns out. Looks like dinner Friday night and sail Saturday but not staying overnight at Tices. Lesa wasn't staying overnight anyway so maybe now she'll attend if it's only a day sail and lunch for her. :)
PS. But there is a good chance I'll just cancel out on the other event. ;)
Quote from: K3v1n on July 23, 2016, 08:49:20 AM
PS. But there is a good chance I'll just cancel out on the other event. ;)
Yeah, you better!!!
Marty
Yeah...cancel that other event. Now. Do it. Don't think about it. The Bash will not be the same without you!!
Okay Okay! Done, consider it canceled! :D
Ah. We know you'd come around.
So, let's get down to business. How many of you brave BBBers will be wanting a boat slip at Southwinds Marina which is adjacent to Lattitudes where we'd be having dinner Friday night? Our general plan would be to meet there after you trailer sailor guys launch at Townsends Marina or the launch site of your choice. Townsends worked fine last year.
What say ye??
Bob23
Please advise estimated costs for the slip.
Marty
I think it's the same as last year- 10 clams but I'll call today to be sure/
Bob,
Depending on the weather, I may come down on Thurs. morning and leave on Monday. That will give me more tome to explore the bay.
-Allen
That'll be great Allen. Remember to polish up that anchor!!!
Slip fee update:
First, the bad news: Slip fees are $2.00 per foot. Per night. Yikes!!! This is the same rate as last year.
Now, the good news: As the chief instigator, director of shenanigans and head of the warm weather hydration counsel, I am offering to split the fee with you for Friday night. If you choose to stay longer, the additional nights would be your responsibility. I have already reserved 5 slips on a handshake from Sean, the harbormaster. I would like an actual number of slips needed so I can nail it down by next week sometime.
The itinerary, if there was one, would be to meet on Friday during the day. Last year anyone who needed to launch met at Townsends Marina where there is a 5 bucks in and 5 bucks out fee. Parking is available. At some point in time, the boats who would be staying in the Southwinds slip would meet there and check in. Dinner will be at Latitudes and I'll make a reservation for all of us. Hopefully, the weather is good so we can dine outside. The boat slips are just a short stagger away from Latitudes.
On Saturday morning, we'd have our choice of going to breakfast or just sailing over to Tice's to reserve a spot. We usually anchor out a bit south of all the yahoos so it's a little quieter. Once over at Tice's, there's the customary swim in the mighty North Atlantic as well as just hanging on the beach. Remember, there is no restaurant at Tice's Shoals. Any food or drink you want should be brought aboard your ships. Tice's is on Island Beach State Park, a barrier beach which is quite rustic.
Let me know how this sits with y'all. I'm sorry for leaving this until the next to the last minute...lots of stuff going on. So, what say ye? Are ya with me??
Bob23
Bob,
Count me in.
Last time I was there I launched at the Marina at Southwinds. Is that the same marina where we are renting the slips? If so is there any advantage to going over to Townsends to launch?
-Allen
I'm not sure where you launched last year, Allen. I don't remember Southwinds having a ramp. Just for clarity, Townsends is toward the west, Southwinds is more easterly on the Forked River. But to answer your question, you are free to launch where it best suits you.
So if I'm reading you, you want a slip for Friday night. I'll be taking one also. Last year it was kind of fun seeing the "Reserved for Koinonia" sign on the slip. I'm sure most people were expecting a large yacht with important people to show up. Surprise!!!!
Bob23...for the cause!
Bob,
Know we can talk more at the CBMSG event next Saturday, but what is generally the agenda for the BBB? I know we will not be bringing No Mas as she may even be spoken for by then. Not enough time to consider moving the PSC up there and be back in time for a festival that requires our attention the next week by mid week. So if we, or me, can spring to get up there will not having a boat kinda mean sitting in a bar waiting for the ships to come in? Not that that is a terrible thing to do! Usually the boat is our lodging so would need some suggestions about places to stay as well. It kinda sounds like a boating event and not sure being sans boat would be a good idea?
As far as your observation:
So if I'm reading you, you want a slip for Friday night. I'll be taking one also. Last year it was kind of fun seeing the "Reserved for Koinonia" sign on the slip. I'm sure most people were expecting a large yacht with important people to show up. Surprise!!!!
Yup, may not be a large yacht but clearly important people on board!
Ah, the advantages of being a CP16 skipper - only 32 bucks! That's the cost of a dinner at The Captain's Inn. Last year, I slept on the hard Friday night and was not quite miserable. Next night, slept like a baby rocking away in Pegasus' slip at Latitudes. As far as splitting the fee, Bob, a Dark & Stormy should fill the bill quite nicely.
I like the idea of having breakfast early Saturday morning. I seem to remember that there is a floating concession at Tice's, so you don't have to worry about running out of cold PBR.
Looking fwd to seeing and meeting all,
Marty K.
Pegasus
Bob,
In the event I choose to stay a few extra days I'm just confirming that we are talking about the same place. This is where I launched from (it was 2 years ago).
http://www.marinaatsouthwinds.com/
The ramp is just behind their fuel dock. $5 in $5 out also, at that time.
Also confirming that the dates are still August 19 through 21. Correct?
I have to agree with Marty about splitting the Friday night fee. A very nice gesture but unnecessary. You may have to introduce me to that Dark and Storm thingy thou.....
Thanks for your efforts.
Allen
Yes Allen, you are correct. I wasn't aware (or forgot) that you launched there. I will call and confirm about this on Monday but if that's the deal, then it's sure more convenient than Townsends. And, yes- August 19-21 are the dates. Thanks for the info, Allen. That's a big help.
As far as the compensation thing, my offer still stands. If anyone wants to substitute a Dark and Stormy instead, that is even better.
We could do breakfast on Saturday morning but we'd need to drive to a diner- no breakfast is offered at Lattitudes. We have a few weeks yet so a discussion can be started here. I could go either way. Sail to Tices, eat there. Or eat first and sail to Tice's What say ye merry men??
Bob23
Well we have Perkins Pancake House or for more of the local flavor the Forked River Diner! :D
One year we went to the Colonial Diner and had a blast. FR diner is fine but small if we have a large group. Almost anywhere is ok if can get an early start sailing!!!!
Bob23
Well I'm sure breakfast won't mean an early start. Maybe it's just donuts from the Waretown Bakery! :D
Like last year, I'm planning to drive up Sat morning, launch, and then hopefully meet up with the rest of the gang.
Larry
Larry:
Glad you are going to make it!!! This is shaping up to be another Bash to remember...or forget, whatever your perspective is. I believe this is number 10? Kev can fill us in on this one as a little known fact: he is the original instigator and originator of the Bash.
Bob23
BashNews:
Sean, the harbormaster at Southwinds tells me the ramp fee there is 10 clams in and 10 clams out. But if the ramp user also rents a slip, he'll waive the ramp fee. I still need a count of slips needed, the boat name and name of the boat owner. So what say ye, merry mates?
Bob23
Bob,
That would be Allen H. with the Madame Z.
I will call the harbormaster to make arrangements for extra nights.
Thanks,
Allen
Great, Allen. So it appears that we will need 3 slips: Myself, Allen and Marty. Is that correctomundo?
Bob23
Hi everyone,
I've been watching this year's BBB thread with some jealousy. Turns out I will be not far away in Barnegat NJ during the Bash, but I'm "babysitting" my 92 year old dad at my brother's house while he is away for the weekend. So sailing is not in the cards for me.
I've been silent because I know I can't actually go all the way to Tice's shoal. However, in case my dad's sleeping and I can sneak out, you just may see me hanging around the docks or restaurant Friday evening or Saturday morn. Then again, maybe I can drag him to the docks in the interest of having him "get some fresh air"?
Anyway, in case I don't see you all, have a wonderful trip, and I pray for less crazy wind than you had last year!
Mike and Cathay Keough (Veterans of the 2014 BBB, but chickened out for 2015)
Mike: I had the feeling you were lurking. If you can't sail with us, why not bring your dad to Lattitudes on Friday night? We have not discussed a time for dinner but I'm thinking around 6:30. In any event, maybe we can get together for a post BBB gathering at Tice's in the fall. Stay tuned for more!
Bob23
Bob,
Thanks for the invite. I'll try to make dinner, but I have to play it "by ear", as Dad has some OK days and some bad days that I can't predict. So, I'll keep lurking here for dinner times, etc, and maybe if I can't make it Friday, I could see y'all on Sat morning, or help Larry get launched when he arrives later. Take care,
Yes this is the 10th Anniversary of the BBB.
Originally known as the 'Com-Pac Convergence'.
LINK TO BLOG POST-2007 BBB (http://www.sailblogs.com/member/floridaze/35440)
Mike, Pleeze come. Hopefully, you can join us for dinner Friday or breakfast Saturday.
As far as the "crazy wind" goes... it didn't put a damper on our little gathering. We certainly had fun anyway. Kevin, Bob and Larry were good company... and, hey, you've seen the video's.
Marty K.
P.S. 92! That's great. I'm only 18 years from that.
Bashers: I know we can't really rely on the long range weather forecasts but ours is shaping up nicely for the weekend of the 19th! The nice thing about the Bash is because of the small numbers, we can decide some of the details on the fly. Breakfast on Saturday? We can talk about that at dinner Friday night. Departure time for Tice's on Saturday? We can decide that over breakfast. See what I mean about loosely organized? Looking forward to seeing you all. Here's the roster as I understand it:
Marty and Pegasus (16) In a slip
Kevin and Tetra (23) He's got his own slip
Me and Koinonia (23) Also in a slip
Allen and Madame Z (Eclipse) In a slip, me thinks. Is Susy accompanying you?
I'm still hoping that Brian, Frank, Rick, Larry and Mike can join us in some kind of cameo appearance. There is a rumor that that Admirals Linda and Lesa may join us via land whilst we are at Tice's but like most rumors, it remains to be seen if this will evolve into actual fact. Hope so!
Bob23...for the cause.
Bob, I am now planning to get early start on Sat morning, aim to clear rt 37 bridge by 11-ish and striking distance to Tices @ 3pm,
Well that is plan A. My 84 year old Mom is in surgery on Friday....
Plan B, has me towing my little Bauer 12 to the ramp and at least seeing the fleet off on Sat morning
Not worth mentioning other options, they involve mainly eating and waving from dock...
Keep tuned...
Well Brian, if you come over late expect to find us south of all the usual mayhem. I fly a large American flag from my backstay. We may all be rafted up. Hope to see you there.
Bob23
Hi Bob,
My plan is to be at Southwinds by noon on Thursday and stay in a slip through Monday morning. Suzie will not be able to join us for this event but looks forward to the MWG.
-Allen
Well, we will miss Suzie and the way time flies, the MWG is just around the corner. Have you spoken to Sean the harbormaster?
Bob23
Hi Bob,
I called Southwinds and spoke with a gal their. She insisted that I book the slips online. I did so and that worked fine. I'm arriving on the 18th and staying 4 nights.
Do you know what is the best anchor polish is?
-Allen
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Kev, your nails look marvelous! Who does them???? Hahahahaha!!!!!
Allen: That's strange....I'll call Sean today. I didn't do anything online last year and he spoke nothing about that last week. I start out with a rubbing compound for my anchor, move up to 3M polish/cleaner finally getting the proper shine with Jewelers Rouge before applying 9 coats of Collinite marine wax. And still my anchor pales next to yours...
Bob23
Ok...3 slips have been secured. Slips T4, T5 and T6. Myself, Marty and Allen. I'll be arriving up there somewhere around mid day Friday to help anyone and arrange reservations at Latitudes for dinner. There is a rumor that Admirals Lesa and Linda will be joining us so try, try, try to be on your best behavior.
Looking forward to seeing you Compac-o-nauts!
Bob23
That sounds good Bob. I hope to be in the water by noon on Thursday and get a short sail in that afternoon. Sean also emailed me my slip #.....T6. I'll give you a call at some point.
Thanks,
Allen
That's great, Allen. Hat's off to Sean at Southwinds Marina for being so helpful and accommodating. I will not be up there on Thursday but I will appear on Friday around mid day of the boss lets me off.
Bob23
Looks like good weather for the Bash! There may be another smaller surprise yacht joining us.
Bob23
Entertainment for Friday Night!
Ned Ryerson and the Groundhogs will be playing at Latitudes and
Clutch Dog(our personal favorite) will be at the Tiki Bar!
Should be a great night and a break from the heat and humidity!
Oh yeah!!!! Looking like a 'Quila night!
Yes, I can just stumble walk back to the boat. :)
hey bob.. sent you a text.. we have been thinking about you and hoping that all is well.. still bummed that you did not make it to Maine this summer, but next year will be another opportunity! have fun this weekend.. looking forward to seeing all the pics and hearing the stories of how things unfold.. wish we could be there! take care, jason
Ayuh! I got your text and sent back...really too busy these days but I am so looking forward to the Bash this weekend. This is the 10th anniversary Bash and the original founder, Kevin will be there as well. I also missed seeing you and Janet this summer in Maine. Who knows? maybe we'll make it up there yet....
Best,
Bob23
Weather looks pretty good so far! Can't wait...
ARE YOU READY?!
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Yup. It's probably going to be crowded at Tices so we usually try to stay south of the herds of yahoos! My boat will be flying a large American flag off her backstay flanked by not one but 2 CYOA burgees!
Winds are looking nice for Saturday- ESE 8 to 12 mph. Can't wait!!
Bob23
Hey BBBashers,
I made it to the Marina this afternoon with no problems. The Madame and I are tucked in our slip listening to c&w from Latitudes. A full moon sail may be in order tonight. See you all tomorrow.
-Allen
That's great, Allen. Full moon rises about 8pm, me thinks. I'll be arriving mid day to mid afternoon tomorrow if all goes well. The boss gave me the whole day off from work. What a guy!
Bob23
BBB-2016 Sailing is an adventure... again!
Pegasus Log 08/19/2016 - Pegasus has been cleaned and washed, gear checked out and stowed. Readied for the 50 mile tow to Forked River, NJ on the Barnegat Bay. The day dawned clear and comfortable with favorible weather predicted for the weekend. Towing Pegasus behind the 1990 Volvo wagon with barely 275,000 miles on the odometer was uneventful (as one would hope). Arrived at Southwinds Marina shortly after 1300. Allen had already been there the day before and was out on the bay exhausting himself. Soon I spotted him and "Madame Z" (or was it the glare from the anchor) coming around the gas dock and helped him tie up. First order of business was a nice cold Heineken that needed to be drained before the ice melted! We then saunted over to "Latitudes" for a light lunch.
Bob arrived sometime later and we rigged Pegasus and slipped her down Southwinds' nicely maintained ramp. Having raised the mast (not that hard on a CP16) Bob noticed the little snap securing the forestay (More on that later). A little turn around the gas dock under MinnKota power and into her berth for the night. Soon, Mike K. arrived with his 92 year old ex Navy (WW II) dad.
We then headed for Latitudes for dinner. Boy, that place was packed! We were looking at 90 minutes minimum to be seated. By some stroke of good luck, we had been standing at just the right place and a very nice hostess took pity on us and sat us almost immediately. The food was delicious. I like to eat light when sailing and ordered a burger that was more than filling. Everyone enjoyed their meal, especially Allen who consumed a luscious steak (evidently Allen is on a steak diet... really!). Kevin arrived and we enjoyed our meals.
I had planned to spend the night sleeping under a boom tent in the cockpit (CP16's cabins are a bit tight) but NJ humidity hit like a monsoon and made the cockpit uninhabitable. So, it was a somewhat less than comfortable "sleep" in the cramped cabin. But, dawn came soon enough and I had managed to grab a few hours of appreciated rest... no complaint.
Pegasus Log 08/20/2016
The facilities at Southwinds Marina are excellent. After a nice shower and shave I was ready for a hearty breakfast. Bob and I hopped into Allen's Toyota with Kevin following. On our way to the Colonial Diner, Allen spotted a sailboat in tow going in the opposite direction. Turned out to be Larry with his family and Eclipse. We were able to contact him and he dropped the boat off at Southwinds and they joined us for an enjoyable breakfast.
While getting ready to leave for Tice's Shoals, Brian arrived to say 'hello' and introduce himself. He couldn't sail with us today, but was nice enough to take the time to come down and see us off. We all then cast off for our destination - Tice's. And the 500 stink-pots and boom-boxes awaiting our arrival.
The Johnson 2hp fired up (it had failed on BBB-2014 after about 10 minutes due to overheating) and smartly moved Pegasus toward the bay. But, once again after about 10 minutes it quit. This after having received a new water pump kit and impeller. But, I did have the MinnKota "back-up" which valiantly bucked the NE wind and in-coming tide. Finally, we got into the bay, hoisted the sails and headed for Tice's. Took a N course to maximize the NE wind and was cruising pretty well... and then it happened. Remember Bob's observation regarding the "little snap" securing the forestay? Well, the "snap" snapped! There was a "crack" and I noticed the port shroud go limp... uh, oh. I looked up and if I were a lumberjack would have called out "timber"! And down she came, in slow motion. Kevin later asked if it really was in slo-mo or was it my life flashing before my eyes? Nah, just slo-mo with the starboard rigging, the jib and pulpit offering resistance.
On the VHF I hailed Koinoia: "Emergency, emergency. Lost my mast. This is Pegasus. Koinoia do you copy (or something to that effect... more like HELP!)? Well, the response was electric! Tow Boat US was on the scene quicker than flies on you know what. The "rescuer" was very helpful and moved Pegasus a bit out into the bay so I wouldn't get caught up in the marsh. In the meantime, Kevin was on his way in Tetra but couldn't see me in the chop. I said that I could fire off a flare, and even quicker than the flies, the US Coast Guard (GBT) radioed a "Sir, please don't fire your flare unless you are in danger of sinking!" Since I didn't think I'd be sinking any time soon (and could probably walk away anyway) I held my fire... literally. Then the NJSP Patrol happened on the scene and kindly turned on his strobe to aid Kevin. By that time, Kevin was on a heading dead at me, circled around and threw me a tow line (several times, but we did connect). Kev towed me back to Southwinds Marina to the delight of many, many spectators. Tetra (and Kevin) did a fine job of getting Pegasus (and me) to safety. As it turns out, the damage wasn't too terrible and as Kevin stated, "she'll sail again!"
That's a perfect write up of events Marty!
Kev - Can't wait for "film at 11"!
Marty
ouch... sounds like quite the adventure, Marty.. but, as Paul Harvey said so often, how about "the rest of the story"? did your weekend end, or did you join another boat? how did the rest of the weekend go? hope everyone had a great time, despite your mast issue! jt
Jason,
Well, "discretion is the better part of valor" and I opted to "call it a day" and bring Pegasus home. As you are well aware, being a sailor can be quite taxing physically and I was pretty much wiped. I was disappointed at not being able to join up with all at Tice's, but was grateful for the help of friends (esp. Kevin). I'm sure you'll soon "hear" from the other Compac-o-nauts. I do know that the ocean temp was about 78 degrees!
The hardware that failed was a "snap" shackle that I had obtained from an unknown source. It was not the swivel type and I believe that torque generated on the fitting was too great for it to handle. The replacement will be more robust and of the swivel type. Damage was limited to the snap shackle, torn jib (already sent out for repair) and a lost halyard. And, of course, my ego!
Marty
Here you go, early release for the CPYOA Gang!
...enjoy.
BBB 2016 Part I 'The Rescue' (https://youtu.be/wh-zHoEK8m8)
Of course, I can't resist for long throwing in my 2 cents about this years Bash, undoubtedly one of the best. Before I start blabbing, let me first thank Sean at Southwinds Marina for accommodating the 3 yachts that needed a slip. Great showers, nice boat ramp with parking and reasonable priced. And all within crawling distance from Lattitudes, the local food stop and watering hole.
On Friday afternoon, after discovering I had no electrical system due to a mysteriously dead battery, I threw the lines and headed north from Long Key Marina up to Southwinds, where I was to find Marty and Allen who had already been tasting the local brew. As I motored into my slip, they were most helpful in tying up my tiny yacht in a slip made for a 40 footer.
A word about the Bash, for those who don't know. To say it's a loosely organized gathering of Compac-o-nauts from various backgrounds is putting it mildly. There is no schedule...hardly any rules. The rules: Have fun, help each other out, no political discussions. Really, what more does a person need?
After a cold beer and some apps, we started to think about dinner so we settled for a late one...because, we just felt like it, that's why. We wanted to eat outside but after the pleasant young girl hostess informed us of the 90 minute wait, we decided that was trying our patience. She actually said: "Do you want to be on my list?" I refrained from one of my wise ass comments and told her, no, we'll dine inside, thank you. Soon we were seated with cold beers in hand except for me: Margarita's were beckoning and I just had to answer the call. Twice. While the 5 of us were eating, who should appear but Juan, Kevins brother who is also known as John and sails a Skipper 20. While gabbing together who else should appear but Kevin himself who is the original instigator of the Bash, known 10 years ago as the Compac Convergence. Yup, for you math wizards, this is the 10th anniversary Bash.
Finally we were done, paid our bill and did our best to stagger back to the boats for a peaceful nights sleep amid the loud band, loud people and much too large powerboats tied up only feet from us. I slept well aboard my 23, she really is quite comfy and the 2 margs didn't hurt either. Before splitting, we decided on breakfast in the morning at the famous Colonial Diner, hoping that Athena would still be there from last year.
To be continued...
Bob23
Speaking of '2 cents' --- The 2016 BBB will go down in my books as ... probably costing a lot more than 2 cents.
My intent was clearly to have the family have fun and enjoy my passion. But, I think my wife had _too_ much fun at the BBB, and has fully bought in to the sailing thing, and is now requesting a 'full size' boat with plans for keeping it probably on the Barnegat bay so that she can take regular advantage of both bay and ocean beach activities (this is now one of her favorite beaches).
Thanks a lot, BBB participants!
With that said, I'm not sure how much I can afford. She wants something in the 35-40 foot range with full bath, kitchen, and rooms for kids to grow, etc. The boat is on thing, but part of the reason for the Compac was that slips get expensive over time, too. Question arrises about slips or mooring a 'full size' boat on the Barnegat bay. Do the regulars there (Bob/Kevin/Marty) have suggestions on marinas that have reasonable seasonal rates? Mooring would be ideal/preferable, but online I don't see any places that do that.
Larry.
Larry,
Wow! Well, looky here: http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/2016/Com-Pac-35-C (http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/2016/Com-Pac-35-C). Your "new" Com-Pac cruiser. The best of everything and still a part of the BBB family!
P.S. I'll leave the pros and con$ to others.
Marty K.
Sorry about the "page not found", stupid URL's. Anyway, I'm sure I don't have to tell you, the CP35 is gorgeous!
Larry: You're welcome!!! Count your blessings: My wife does not like to sail at all. That's why I'm solo all the time. And please read the disclaimer and waiver that you signed when you joined the forum which clearly states that we will accept no responsibility if you, your wife and/or your kids get hooked on sailing and request a larger boat.
I would not recommend a mooring for a boat that size. My advice would be to look for something a bit smaller (30'?) and keep her in a marina. Long Key is reasonable and there are many others.
Larry:
I had a Catalina 30 before the Compac 23. It was a great boat, had a TON of room for a 30. I had a head, shower, 2 burner stove with an oven, and a lot of other niceties. I REALLY miss that boat but it was SO expensive to keep.
Consider what budget you think that you will have for the boat. Think of slip fees, taxes, yearly engine maintenance (haul out, paint, etc), upgrades, the cost of sails, the cost of canvas (bimini, Dodger, etc), and that is just the surface. If you have any major repairs they can really hurt. A new diesel is usually at least $10,000.
Bob is right on about the smaller boat in the 30 foot range. Take a look at the Catalina 320. It is a great boat, it is big but not too big, and it may fit the bill.
A few more things. People always talk about having an aft cabin. That is all well and good but remember that if you are on the hook you don't have shore power so no AC. The V-berth is the best place on the boat for ventilation and sleeping. Look for a boat with a big V-berth.
Also consider the maximum draft you can have for your area. For the Chesapeake Bay I would suggest staying under 5'. Your area may be different.
Trust me, I owned the Catalina 30 for almost 10 years. I bought her at $35000 and when I sold her, after I paid the stupid broker, I had $21000 in my hand.
Do your homework before you start boat shopping. Go to marinas and find out if there is a waiting list and what the price is per year. How often does the marina fees go up? What will you pay for insurance? What is the depth of your marina? What are your intended uses for the boat? Will you take Transient slips or will you anchor out? How long will your trips be?
Larry,
There is no sense reminding all of what happened when i returned to sailing after a long hiatus. Got that 23d thinking she will be just fine for me and the occasional trip with Susan........the 23d is now in New England (and missed), and i have a larger hole in the water. Larger craft have their advantages for sure but smaller craft have theirs as well. Be sure what you are getting into. Heave has pointed out many of the things to consider. The cost for a mainsail alone for our 31 is about what a mainsail, staysail, genoa,and spinnaker cost for the 23. With that said the cost for an unhappy wife is even greater.
As far as where you plan to keep her, can't speak to Barnegat Bay but have been told it is quite shallow. Don't know about slip fees there either but Bob can assist in that area. Hear there are some slips available for a case of beer! We have to pay dollars down here on the Chesapeake, no such luck!
On the choice of boats, yup think 30ish would be a nice compromise for increased size but not so huge you have to mortgage the kids too, Also easier to handle in tight spots and shallow causing grounds. The Catalina 30 Heave mentioned in a great boat and there are a ton of them out there. Remember that increased length is a geometric increase in size in all aspects from sail size, to engine, to draft, to displacement, to costs. I would recommend you get a boat with the company still in business and the model still in production if you can. So much easier for after sale needs and eventual resale price. Also avoid project boats unless you just love to work on them and not sail them. Your best buy is a boat someone else has done all the work on, if done right. Even then there will always be stuff that needs attention.
Resist the urge to buy a boat so other people can enjoy her, especially as those other people may or may not always be onboard. I watch this happen all the time, folks keep getting a larger holes in the water because they would like the extra room or features. So many of those craft seem to never leave the slip. Buy a sailboat because of how she sails. Let's face it, if you want spacious accommodations on a boat get a tug or the like. Sailboat owners all live in their basements!
Good luck! Fall is a good time of year to both sell and buy.
BBB 2016 Part II 'The Raft Up' (https://youtu.be/1xI0XCpVgFU)
Sounds great Larry, but you don't want to go too big too fast. Here is the link for the marina I am at, they have three marina's...Silver Cloud, Wibert's and Tall Oaks is where I keep Tetra. They also have some boats for sale.
Silver Cloud Harbour Marina (http://www.forkedrivermarinas.com/silver-cloud-marina.htm)
Also....
Sandy Hook Yacht Sales (http://www.sandyhookyachts.com/pre-owned-boats-for-sale?ListType=Sail)
Yep, theres a bit of tongue in cheeks with the 'thanks a lot!'
Great advice, and I have a lot of ambivalence about this for all reasons listed above. I love my Eclipse in large part for those reasons. 1.5 foot draft for gunk holes, trails and sets up easily, and a very high fun/cost ratio. There's almost no way I'll ever match those attributes in a larger boat. So, if it was just me, I'd be quite happy with the what we have. The main problems currently are: 1) bathroom options (women are more fussy about these things), headroom (the females complain about difficulty changing into swimwear discretely) and my only issue which is 3) overall cockpit space for 4 people is tight (I feel I'm constantly stepping on someone to reach a line). So, I'm not going to rush right out, just yet. I want to do a quite a bit more homework, and probably make some kind of a move next Spring, or maybe even into Summer depending on how the financial evaluation looks then, and sale of the Eclipse. Sorry, Marty, unfortunately $165K base price for a new Compac 35 is probably not in the tea leaves, but, yes a late 90's or early 2000 ('ish) 30 ('ish) foot Catalina's, or maybe a Jenneau, or Beneteau with as shoal draft as I can find are probably where I'm thinking we might land. It looks like there are zillions of options available, and I'm not in any rush. Any opinions on how important the boat age is (e.g. after nn years, xyz starts to fail and might need replacement) in that equation?
In the meantime, we might see us poke around different marinas with/without the Eclipse asking questions. And, even if a non Compac choice I hope it won't limit me from 'crashing the bash' on occasion.
Finally, I will say what an odd feeling with the rest of the family looking at yachtworld. It's bad enough as a time sink for me! I might even point them at Sandy Hook Yacht sales, except at the top of the page is that beautiful Taswell. Once they see something like that its 'Oh - I like that one...' - 'yeah Dad - lets get that!' And I say 'uh, yeah, well except for the draft is too deep, and well the fact that its #$@ $500K!!! Yes, that _IS_ a beauty, but No, I don't think so. Then I show them a Catalina 30, and their response is 'Yeah, maybe, but I like the Taswell better', 'I think we should get the Taswell'. Ugh.
Well this boat violates a couple of the gotta consider when looking for a boat ideas, mostly the company still in business and model still in production advice but know these are great sailing boats and know that this owner is trying to flip her and have too many boats right now. She was purchased for a bunch less so PM me if you are at all interested.
http://www.sailboatlistings.com/view/60012
Happy hunting!
There's a nice Compac 27 for sale at Mariners Marina, Barnegat. Not far from Southwinds.
Bob23
If you are looking at Catalina 30s feel free to ask me questions. I had 8-10 years with a 1990 Catalina 30 and I know the good, the bad, and the ugly.
Try to get a boat in the MKii vintage. It is better if it is after 1990 because the 1988s tended to have more blisters. They switched the resin around 1989 as I recall. An MkIII would be awesome but you may not find that in the right price range and they are a bit more rare than the MKII.
Catalina changed the compression post in 1988 and went to a metal compression post. This was a huge improvement and it saves you some issues BUT, and I mean BUT, check the base of the mast. It is sealed in the bilge. MOST of the boats that are MKii need to have the oak block that the metal compression post sits on replaced. Mine was coming due for that repair and that is a big one. In that one you have to take the mast down, chisel out the old wood block, and put a new one in there. Also watch for delamination of the rudder. The deck is cored plywood and it is not abnormal to have a little moisture but watch for soft decks. Mine didn't have that issue at all but I did have a few blisters. In the MKi you have to watch for blisters, the Catalina Smile (the bilge base is cored plywood which will get went and cause the keel to sag a little causing a big repair), the compression post, the compression block in the bilge, and a few other things. Diesel is a must and look for the Universal M25XP. That is a GREAT engine that is easy to work on and it works out great. While you have a big engine you have a small prop so you won't get much more than 5knots at cruising speed with a clean hull.
I could go on and on about the Catalina 30. Great boat, huge amount of room, sails well, takes a beating, etc etc etc. I miss mine a lot. Just be ready for a budget that is MUCH MUCH MUCH higher than your current boat.
"In the meantime, we might see us poke around different marinas with/without the Eclipse asking questions. And, even if a non Compac choice I hope it won't limit me from 'crashing the bash' on occasion."
Oh, forgot to try to address your question. The age is clearly important but of more importance IMHO is the quality that was put into the boat when new and how many owners she has had and how well they have kept her. A new boat of dubious quality can have many more issues than a 30yr old boat of exceptional quality. I know of two different folks who recently purchased different brand new Beneteaus that have had 10's of thousands of repairs and issues with them. Go figure. In our case the boat we acquired, and those like her at her age, are selling for about what they were new 25 years ago and are still in production. This speaks to the longevity of the design and quality built in. She has work that must be done, but the only time a boat has no work you will do to her is when she is no longer yours. There is a huge range in the quality and costs for similar sized boats. For example a new 31 Beneteau in 2010 was 109,000, base price no options. A new 31 Pacific Seacraft in 2010, base price no options, was 240,000.
I had already known for years which boats i wanted based upon many parameters, Susan picked ours out of that group we were considering. We both are happy. As far as timing.....fall has the best pricing as winter (mid Atlantic) is just around the corner but your timing is more important. Hope all this helps.
Just watched BBB part 2....great videography!!! Thanks, Kev!
BBB 2016 Part III "The Retreat' (https://youtu.be/P-suaQ4fHuE)
Kevin,
GREAT job on the videos!
Let me add some pics of the event.
https://barnegatbaybash2016.shutterfly.com/
Enjoy,
Allen
Incredible vids by Kev and wonderful stills my Allen. The Bash seems like so long ago as we are now in the beginning weeks of Fall. Thanks gents, for the great coverage!!
Bob23
Kevin, ditto on the great videos. I was at the Annapolis sailboat show yesterday and saw the tekacat. I enjoyed you videos and may order one for next season. I think the sales guy said you may have also been at the show on Thursday.
Let me know if you have any regrets in the inflatable. My beagle likes to swim and this looks to be the perfect bog barge.
Next year, wife and I are planning to move Galway terrapin down to the BBB marina for a week of vacation. I really like the location, and we don't pass the rt 37 bridge too often.
Regards,