Well she's out of the water and on her shiny new trailer.
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Here she is sitting amongst the big boys waiting to get lifted on the trailer.
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I'm putting my list together of the things I need to do this fall/winter. I'll use this thread to keep you guys and gals up to date. Should be fun but first I have to work on the 'honey do list', once that's shortened up a bit I'll get to my baby. ;)
-Kevin
Went to Annapolis for the boat show friday and got soaked, by the rain that is. Here is a pic of me at the helm of a Shannon 43, a very nice vessel to say the least.
Said hello to Rich Hutchins and got a hands on look at the Legacy, a wet hand that is. They also had a couple cat boats with them. The Legacy already had a SOLD sign on her.
Did have a great bowl of vegetable crab soup...very spicy!
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-Kevin
Ah, the end of the season for us northerners. Hate to think of it - the season flew by so fast. We're able to keep our boats in the water at the Marina at Lake Nockamixon until the end of November, but not sure I'll keep her in that long. Not much time to sail these days, as we're in the process of moving to a new home. But I'll keep her in at least till the end of October, and at least get in a couple more sailing days. Then, as you note, Kevin, the winter boat projects begin. For me, that's pure pleasure!
Ralph
CP16 #2245
"Patricia Lee"
This is the begining of the season for me here in florida. The summer has been hot with no wind. Ihave a overnight trip planed for next week.
Enjoy your Florida sailing, go a few times for me!
We had frost on the boat this morning, fall is finally here. :(
-Kevin
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Well looks like I have some scraping in my future. Twenty years of bottom paint caked up... I think I'm going to want to take it off.
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I might just wait until later in the winter to do this, unless I get a sudden urge for shoulder and back pain. ;)
-Kevin
Kevin,
The boat looks very nice. I'm the guy in Tuckerton whose boat you saw this summer. You really did get a great deal -- I'm happy for you. Actually managed to get my trailer fixed for less than $200 so I'm glad about that. Haulin' the boat this weekend -- maybe one last sail.
Anyway, glad you got the boat and the trailer looks great also. Maybe I'll see you out there next season.
Good luck.
Mike
Kevin,
I've found each Fall when I power wash the gunk off of my boat bottom that if I'm not careful the bottom paint comes off too. We use a 3500 psi gas powered pressure washer that sure cleans up the boat but we have to be very careful. I suggest you might try blowing off that bottom paint with something like this. Might save you a lot of ben-gay application to those shoulders. If you do, report back please.
Steve Paul
Nashville, IN
Hi Kevin,
"Teddy B" is finally ready to launch and looks great! The season is just getting about right here in FL. Should be able to give a report in about a week --- just waiting for a 2-meter masthead antenna (decided to throw in a marine band radio). Nice part is that the marine VHF band is close enough to the 2-meter ham bands, that I can get double duty from the antenna. (Any of youse guys who are hams, I usually have the Maritime net up on HF in my shop during the work-day (14.300) --- give a call ---kd4yqg--.
Since you have had a bit of time in both the 16 and the 19, how do their sailing characteristics compare? How much more difficult is the trailering and launching of the 19? I believe Marcus has sailed both as well, and if he catches this question, I would be interested in his opinion as well.
---Pat--
Hey Pat,
The 19 and 16 are pretty similar when you're in the cockpit, but that's it. Take a wine glass and float it in a big pan of water. Bob it around and push it. Now do the same with a champagne glass. What do you notice?
I seriously have to work at it to get my 19 to heel ten degrees. It looks very cool to heel a sail boat way over. The 16 tends to heel at the least bit of wind. I don't like the 16 in gusty wind. It does what it is supposed to but isn't very relaxing. The 19 handles gusts better. It really resists heeling with that flatter bottom. When the wind hits the 19 it feels like it rises. When wind hits the 16 it rises, heels and tries to round up.
The 16 is smoother cutting through chop. But on the larger 19 the mass of the boat tends to push through these bumps and feels about the same as the 16.
The 19 points better by about 5 degrees. The 19 has a finer entry. Right at the water line the bow is narrower, whereas the 16 is like a football and designed to retain its entry with a lot of heeling.
Both boats do what they do well. The reason I like the 19 better is that when I take out non-sailing passengers they don't feel uneasy. The heeling in the 16 would unsettle my novice passengers. They thought we would tip over. And the room downstairs in the 19 is more spacious with the hull going straight down to the waterline.
The 19's sail plan is proportionately bigger and more balanced as is the keel.
The better boat? All depends on your purposes and personal taste. The cockpit is almost the same, with the 19 having two big lockers for stowage.
Trailering, once you get going you wont notice either back there. The 19 will require a more powerful vehicle and don't use overdrive.
Launching? Big difference. You need a good ramp and about four feet of water 15 feet out to launch the 19, whereas you can practically throw the 16 into a shallow pond.
The 19 is of course a little faster than the 16 and points better. But come season end the 16 seems to tuck away out of site while the 19 is a monster on its trailer and doesn't hide.
Walking around the 19 on deck is a breeze because the boat doesn't tip with every step. The grab points around the deck are just right.
But all in all the 16 is a sweet little yacht. Easy to rig, launch and sail. Heeling her way over in a steady wind, smoothly cutting over chop, being able to pull up to a beach, hop out and play is all the wonder of the 16.
Marcus is pretty much dead on with his discription there.
My wife doesn't like the heeling so the 19 makes her feel more comfortable, of course I loved getting the 16 way over and letting her rip. I think I might miss that, I kinda like laying a boat over a bit. ;)
Here was a little video I took in case you missed it.
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k252/Gypsy_Soul/th_100_2098.jpg (http://s90.photobucket.com/albums/k252/Gypsy_Soul/?action=view¤t=100_2098.flv)
-Kevin
I had a 16 and 19. I trailer sail...I recently sold my 16. I miss the ease of launching the 16. I can't launch the 19 at just any ramp. I sailed the 16 more often because of the ease of set up. I would set the 16 up to go out for a couple hours sailing. I don't like to set the 19 up unless I can make a whole day of it.
That being said, The 19 is much more comfortable once underway. The 19 is more comfortable in the rough stuff. The extra room is nice when sleeping aboard.
I sailed my 16 on some rough, white cap, cold front days on the ICW and the boat handles it well once you get a good feel for it.
Good sailing
Here are some pictures my brother took of us sailing about.
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I miss the summer already! :(
-Kevin
So, what is one to do with this?
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I'd like to get the Ida rudder but first I have to be able to get the old one off and make needed repairs.
-Kevin
Kevin,
Looks as if a lot of heat from a hand held butane [not propane] torch, the kind that comes from an Ace Hardware with a screw-on canister will loosen up that busted threaded bolt festooned into the aluminum rudder assembly above the rudder blade. Or just drill the darn thing out. Is anything in the picture welded? I can't tell.
So my question is what happened to the threaded brass 'hand bar' used to deform and pinch-tighten the aluminum blade, and either hold it up, with a line, or hold it down, unless kipped up in a grounding. Salt water do the bolt in? Was the bolt a stainless steel bolt? I'll bet the next one is. I always carry a spare brass handle on my boat in case I drop it into the water. I suppose someone hammered on it to get it tight or loose and broke it off. Brass is soft and bronze is expensive! But tougher.
Once hot squirt on some 'RUST BUSTER' and let her steam. Do it again, more steam. You should be able to grab the 'stump' of a broken nut with the 'Vice Grips' and begin to turn the son-of-a-gun out.
Use care not to round out the other side of the aluminum rudder assembly that captures the hex bolt head.
Anyway there are three different types of metal here and the heat will make these different metal expand at different rates assuring that the 'RUST BUSTER' seeps into the spaces, displacing the corrosion. Give it a couple of day's soak if you have to. You'll get it.
You should see some of the model 'A' stuff that the guys in the club take apart. It looks solid!!! skip.
Thanks Skip...I did manage to get the broken nut off and scrape away a lot of corroded aluminum. The bolt is still frozen in there so I'll try some heat next and spray her up. The rudder head looks pretty bad around the bolt though.
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-Kevin
Kevin, Heat her up and give it a mighty tap!!
The bolt is just placed in the hole and the hex
shape only holds the bolt from turning.
The threads coming out do look rather suspect
but the bolt head [grade 5 bolt] looks fine [great!],
should pop out with heat.
I think that I would support the rudder and put a 3/4"
socket under the bulge for the bolt head and give her a smack
when hot and sprayed up.
Use a new Stainless Steel Bolt and brass handle/nut
Put all of that back together with lots of NEVER SEIZE by Permatex.
Still have not figured how to post pics on posts.
Heat and spray. Good Luck! skip.
A little heat and a hammer and presto! it is out!
Now I was thinking perhaps I could use JB Marine Weld to patch in the
voids in the rudder head around the hole. Any thoughts?
Here is a link to the stuff.
http://jbweld.net/products/marine.php
PS. I'm assuming I can just order a new brass 'hand bar' from Hutchins?
-Kevin
HoooRay!!
Alright the epoxy in the hole works OK too. And yes a brass bar can be had from Hutchins. Good job. Happy the other boat sold? Miss her? cjwLOL.
I have used JB weld for temporary radiator and gas tank repairs. The stuff works good for most minor repairs. However on a rudder, consider taking it to a competent metal shop and have the impacted metal ground out and have new metal added and faired. The rudder could be reconditioned to be like new for little cost. Many things will work to patch it, but new metal will be a long lasting repair. Good luck
Terry
Well with a little warmer weather on Saturday I installed the new cowl vent in the forward hatch, also fixed the bobstay.
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-Kevin
Looking good, Kevin.
Hey, speaking of the fore hatch cowl vent which you replaced (looks great), has anyone seen these cowls that have the red insides? Sort of like something you would have seen on the White Star Line or an old steamer? Those look pretty cool too. I think one of those would really enforce that tough yacht look and craftmanship that the 19 already has.
Does anyone know if red variants of these cowls are made for our size boat? I think it's a 3 or 4" opening? The cowl on our 1987 CP19 is getting toward the end of the line also, and that red would look sharp against our tan deck and burgundy stripes and sailcover.
Mike G.
s/v Freebird
Thanks Mike,
I have the new Defender catalog and they have the vents with the red interior. Defender is often less expensive than West Marine.
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I did get under the cover yesterday and put on my cockpit locker hasps and started to lay out the cleats for the Tiller Tamer but by then my finger tips were numb so I quit for the day.
Now they're calling for more snow and ice! .................Sheeeesh!
-Kevin
Kevin,
Defender Marine sounds like a good alternative. Will look into them/req catalog, etc.
Great to hear you're putting in tiller tamer cleats. Would you please post pics of that when finished? I bought a tamer months ago but have yet to install it. Mostly cuz I haven't made time to, but a small part me also hates drilling anything into the work-of-art tiller handle that my 19 has (mahogony and teak alternating strips--- it's a beautiful thing). I'm thinking of mountin gthe tamer inverted (under the handle-- so I'm not drilling into the top of the thing). I imagine the knob would still be well accessible in this position. Wonder if anyone else has ever installed one inverted...
Your weather stripping is also a great idea.
I did get the 19 out yesterday for a sail on the St Johns River in Palatka, FL. The wind was 15, with gusts around 23. Probably the best single sailing day we've had there all winter.
I actually roller-reefed my headsail (I think it's a 150) to something a little less powerful --somewhere around 110 and didn't feel that I lost much airflow/foil even with several wraps of sail around the headstay. Was very pleased with this shortening method. Took one what felt like a near-knockdown in one especially heavy gust, but I just rounded her up and back on her feet. Probably didn't heel past 25 degrees, but anything past 10 on the Compac 19 almost feels extreme. Wouldn't be surprised if gusts were more like 25, above what the VHF was reporting for conditions.
What a great sail- not a single other sailboat out there...
Sending warmer winds your way,
Mike
s/v Freebird- CP19
Here is the completed work on the rudder head.
I ended up using MarineTex. I wrapped tape around the bolt and stuck it in the hole then applied the mix. After it hardened I removed the bolt and just sanded it down. Now the whole thing is ready for paint.
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-Kevin
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Well I stepped the mast today...by my onesy. I'd say it was no harder than stepping the mast on the 16. So up it went and on went the boom, looks good.
Started painting the rudder head and varnishing the motor mount. Still have to pick up some riggers tape for the new shroud booties. Also tightened up the spreader mounts.
Still need to run the new halyards...keep coming warm weather!
Hoping for a mid-April launch. Also still scraping the bottom from time to time.
-Kevin
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And the hull cleaning continues!
-Kevin
Rudder head is patched and painted!
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My daughter trying out the new tiller extension.
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...and Tiller Tamer installed.
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-Kevin
Kevin, what process and products are you using to clean the bottom? It looks great!
Ralph
Well I'm using the 'Mother of all paint scrappers' that I purchased at Home Depot, I'll have to get a picture of it. I did knock the corners down a bit with a grinder but if you catch the edge it will and does dig into the gelcoat, I have a few places I'll have to Bondo before I paint.
After the scrapping I'm using 220 grit sand paper and wet sanding. I had some 400 but it was just to fine and took more work from my arm and shoulder. I just have under the bunks to scrap and under the keel. Get her sanded then I'll be ready for a barrier coat and then bottom paint. I have found several spider cracks in the gelcoat once I removed the build up of twenty years of paint.
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* * * Try at your own risk * * *
-Kevin
Thanks, Kevin. I wasn't sure if you were using a chemical paint stripper or not. I thought of power washing to get the paint off, but I'm afraid of damaging the gel coat. I'm presently researching chemical strippers. Haven't found any that blow me away. I'll probably end up scraping and sanding, like you.
Ralph
Kevin,
You're doing a fantastic job with your CP19, I'm following every step as I get my own ready for the summer.
I'm delighted to see you installed one of my Tiller-Hands!
I did the beef up of the mast compression post this weekend; two half inch bolts with big backing washers - this compression post attachment seems to be a fault with the CP19, albeit easily rectified.
I think I'm ready to go next weekend, assuming my new main and jib arrive during the week.
Fair winds!
John
Looks great ! You're making me want to get busy on mine
Terry
Kevin,
The tiller extension is great--- where did you get it, or did you make it?? (sorry if you mentioned that and I didn't read it) The wood and fittings look fantastic.
I just installed a tiller tamer on our 19, and on the underside of the tiller as well. now I'll have room to mount a "hiking stick" like yours.
By the way, the in-laws came to visit last weekend and we all four (plus the dachshund) took the 19 out for a daysail. Sailed to a restaurant/wharf just south of Palatka, FL and enjoyed. Wind was 20mph and solid and gusts powered up above that around 3pm, but at that point we were broadreaching/running back to the marina. Gorgeous day. Even my mother in law, who doesn't like the water, felt safe in the Compac.
Happy spring to you guys.
Mike G. s/v Freebird -CP19/II
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Thanks Mike,
It is 'Home Made', I purchased an oak dowel from Home Depot and made the end cap from a scrap piece of Ipe decking I had. The swivel I purchased from West Marine which was the most expensive part, almost 40 bucks.
-Kevin
Beauty, once again Kevin! That swivel just really goes with the Compac 19 so well-- really classy hardware. I was looking at one of those Ronstan Battlesticks (like my dad has on his Laser's tiller) and they just don't 'work' on a yachty boat like the 19. I'm afraid I might need to go 'home made' to do right by "Freebird".
Best,
Mike G. -s/v Freebird CP19/II
I'm starting to get the feeling like I'll never get done. :(
Still have half a hull to sand, so much for the May first launch, looks more like June first at the rate I'm going now.
-Kevin
Kevin, I'm in the same boat you are. (Ha - pun intended!). Getting the boat ready is taking longer than I'd hoped, what with the weather we've had here in the Northeast. I, too, have to prep then paint the bottom, and I started sanding, then decided to try a chemical stripper. Went to West Marine and picked up a gallon of West Marine Paint Remover. I applied it to a 2 foot by 3 foot area in varying thicknesses to try it out, and man, this stuff is great! In the areas I applied it 1/8" thick (as the directions recommend), years of paint and barrier coat came off like butter, using a scraper! The places I had applied it thinner didn't come off as easily, but came off with a bit of scraping. It says that this stuff doesn't harm the gelcoat, and from the looks of it, the gelcoat looks great - like new! It's expensive ($62.00/gallon on sale) but worth it in my opinion. So, perhaps mid to end of May is in the cards to get her in the water. Anyone else have good results with chemical strippers?
Ralph
Under the boat sanding today...wish me luck!
;)
-Kevin
***UPDATE***
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Bottom sanded and ready for next step.
A little touch up with Marine-Tex, some epoxy work and then bottom paint.
Looking for a May 19th launch date.
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Keep your fingers crossed. ;)
-Kevin
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Looking good for a launch this Saturday!
-Kevin
"Now, bring me that horizon!"
Looks great, Kevin! I wish you a succesful launch and a terrific sailing season. Cheers, John
Thanks John but now I have a forest fire on my doorstep!
Seems the fire was started at our local gunnery range by an F16 using flares in a training run. High temps and high winds and it quickly got out of control.
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Looking for afternoon thunderstorms on Wednesday to help.
-Kevin
Kevin, that fire looks too close for comfort! Sure hope you, your family & "stuff" are ok!
By the way, your boat looks great!
Ralph
Went to drain and replace the lower gear fluid and when I removed the screws a long stream of water poured out then followed by a slow trickle of oil.
Guess I'm not launching this weekend without a motor.
I guess that's what I get for not doing it last fall; I could have had it fixed already.
But at least the fire is under control and yes my wife and daughter did end up evacuating while I stayed behind with the boat hitched up ready to leave at a moments notice.
-Kevin
Kevin:
Glad to hear the fire is under control now.
Sounds like Murphy was working while your weren't looking. We were looking forward to reading of your launch!
Good luck with the outboard.
BTW, your boat looks great. I like the netting on the life lines.
Paul
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"Once more upon the waters! Yet once more!
And the waves bound beneath me as a steed
that knows his rider."
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Yes! Gypsy Soul has been dipped once more into the briny sea. Didn't get to sail today, we just launched her then motored over to the slip. Spent some time figuring out the lines and getting gear stored in the right places.
Robin was the official photographer for the mast raising as Mom assisted me with the task at hand.
Thing's went fairly smooth, I didn't yell much at all. ;)
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Hope for an evening sail on Monday after work.
Looking forward to a great season of sailing.
-Kevin
"Now, bring me that horizon!"
Kev
I see on Gypsy Soul that she carries a grapple anchor in the roller and a danforth maybe below for lunch? Grassy bottom?
Ahhhhh the importance of ground tackle! skip.
Hey Skip,
Yes I had to go with the 16.5 Bruce type anchor for overnighting. I want to make sure I stay put. I have about 16 feet of chain also hooked to the behemoth. I also have a Danforth stored in the cockpit locker, not sure of the size off the top of my head, but makes a good lunch hook.
Went out with the family for a couple hours on Monday and was out single handed yesterday for a couple hours. It was blowing nice got her up to 5.6 knots a few times...fun, fun, fun!
Have a great Memorial Day everyone!
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-Kevin
Got my son out on the boat today, his first time EVER!
Wind was honking pretty good, got the GPS to hit 5.9 knots several times.
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Took some video with my camera.
http://s116.photobucket.com/albums/o30/Compac19/?action=view¤t=100_2822.flv
-Kevin
Kevin:
Great footage!! Looks like a blast!!
Hope the rest of the summer is great sailing, too.
Paul
Kmax- Great video. I see she doesn't heel all that much. Was that shot taken on your way to Gulf Point, looking East? The ship sure does move along. Chris looks like he was having mucho fun! I didn't realize that this was his first sail!! See you on the water!
Ciao! Bob
Well I did it... bought a bigger boat but she's not a Com-Pac sorry to say.
Yes my new to me next sailing vessel is a 1985 Seaward 22. So I hope you guys and gals won't mind if I stick around seeing I'll be Com-Pac-less. ;)
Anyway, I hope to get to the marina on Thursday and look everything over, run the motor etc. and if all checks out she'll be mine by the weekend. Then a little cleaning and a coat of paint and we'll switch out boats at the slip.
Fairwinds,
-Kevin
SOLD YOUR COM-PAC??? Ouch! You should get some bad Karma for that! LOL!
From what I hear the Seaward is a great boat.... Good luck with her!
If anyone cares to follow along with my work on Panacea you'll find us over at SailFar.net, but don't worry I'll still be popping in here from time to time to visit with my Com-Pac cousins. ;)
http://sailfar.net/forum/index.php?topic=1197.0 (http://sailfar.net/forum/index.php?topic=1197.0)
-Kevin
Ya scurvy dog, ya. I'll chase you from website to website till I keel haul ya! Well, I'm not gonna visit the Sailfar site...I'll just stop over the house and check her out inperson. Smooth Sailin'...Bob23