Now that we have returned to sailing (see "No Mas has new home" in the lounge) and have mostly documented No Mas' history we regret not keeping up with our first boat, a Compac 16. Here is all we know, she was sold to a professor I believe in the Environmental Sciences department at the University of Virginia in 1990. She was living on her trailer at our new little farm in Whitehall when he came to trailer it away. My two year old was more sad than us and we never saw her again.
So this is a huge long shot, but maybe someone here has or knows of a CP16 that has some glimmer of this history. Would love to trace her history, her ownership is still helping direct our lives. Sailing again!
Mas
Update 5/18/17-still would love to find our first one but are sailing another 16 again after 26 years. :)
No Mas:
Maybe if you posted the hull number, that might help. It would be exciting for you to be reunited.
Sadly we have no record of her HIN. She was bought used, (sticky section on why ur compac found you, No Mas) and have no paper trail at all.
Mostly hoping some one here has a boat where this piece of her history rings a bell. Bought in Florida, sailed on Chesapeake, sold Charlottesville, Va. area about 1990 to the best of my recollection to an UVa. fellow in Envisci.
Never know.
Still fishing for any leads here. Saw a CP16 sitting on a trailer in Killmarnack, not sure of spelling, as we were passing through. Reminded me to repost.
HIN is molded into hull. Usually on transom. No boat leaves the factory without one!
Here's a long shot. I purchased my 1983 CP-16 from Keith Scott's Sailboat Company in 2010. I understood at the time that the previous owner was a female who lived in Virginia. The boat name was Seagull, which I haven't changed.
Wish we had the hull number, sure would make this easier, but alas we do not. Good chance she has been bought and sold more than once since we sold her 25 years ago. All I know for sure was that she was sold in Charlottesville Va. about 1990. Good chance however that any CP16 with a Charlottesville history was ours.
MHardy, the picture of your boat shows a bow pulpit which our boat did not have. We figure she was a Mk1. Only 3 stays, no pulpit, no winches, no electrical, galvanized ez tilt trailer.
Quote from: No Mas on November 21, 2015, 08:43:35 PM
your boat shows a bow pulpit which our boat did not have.
I thought they all had a bow pulpit, it was the later versions that included a bowsprit as well?
yup, thats what i meant! the pic shows a pulpit, it also looks like they added spreaders and another stay as they changed models. Our little 16 had no pulpit and only three stays, no spreaders. Probably a late 70's model. might help in narrowing down the search!
Well it must be the late night last night because I truly meant NO BOW SPRIT! Keep saying pulpit. Maybe that's what we get for not getting in front of a pulpit today, Sunday! So to be clear finally, our 16 had no BOW SPRIT but you are correct all had pulpits.
My '83 is a Mk1 - no spreaders. The bowsprit and gallows were later additions.
So any idea as to the Virginia history? A Charlottesville location would be huge as never ever seen one here or for sale here, other than ours.
Was your CP-16 titled in Virginia? If so, was the decal renewed annually?
The DMV or agency issuing the title and annual decal may have a record under your name. The record probably includes the HIN.
know this is kinda lame, but we were so clueless that we were not sure we ever registered her here. 16 foot sailboat with no motor, at first anyway. Think she was sold after 6 years not ever having been registered. We are now looking for some old photos as i remember, kinda, that there was a Florida registration number. If so might help with HIN, though this is long before computer record keeping. This is becoming an interesting endeavor. Would be fun to find her again!
Gotta admit, it has been a long time since sailing that little boat and we had no clue that the CP16 wasn't even being made anymore! The single most successful boat Hutchins ever made. Kinda curious why no longer in production? Just to simple, to traditional, to easy to rig, to easy to launch, to easy to sail, to seaworthy held value to well, ??? I see them listed for what we paid for one in 1983ish. got all of our money back after 6 years of sailing her. Hmmm...better stop waxing about her. Got her big sister now.
will keep you all posted, and if i can find a picture will scan it and try to figure out how to post it here.
thanx
She will return to you when she's ready, No Mas.
Bob23
true nuff! It's just difficult when you put a child up for adoption like we did 25 years ago, as you always wonder if she has had a good home. We already were her second set of parents. Heck she already is over 36 years old!
Ok, found a bunch of pictures and sure enough we never reregistered her from Florida. Her Fl. # was FL 1609 EE. This was the first owner's number. Trying to reach the agency responsible for such and hope they have a record of this number and the HIN. Her sails have # 1270 and they are(were) the original sails.
As soon as i figure out how to get a scanned photo form my computer to this forum will post a picture!
Well there you go. Hull # 1270. Sail number=hull number.
Thanx Salty19, i never made the connection about her sails being he same number as her hull.
Wow, i would have figured less of number given her age but now just gotta see if anyone here has her. Guess checking the registry would be a good place to start. wonder if the Game and Inland fisheries folks can reverse search for owner if given just a hull number?
Cursory glance at registry and did not see #1270, though i am still nursing coffee and the hull #'s are a little hard to figure. Assume the first letters are the Hutchin's designation and then the next series of numbers is the actual number of that model boat built to date and thus the identifying number for a specific boat of any given similar model?
If you contact Gerry Hutchins at ComPac and ask the HIN of CP 16#1270, I think you will get an answer. With the HIN you will know the year and month of construction.
Hey Carry-on, that would be a good way to nail down that info, mostly am trying to locate her again. Gerry may have had someone reach out with questions on the boat but doubt he knows who owns her now, never know though.
I think Hutchins will be able to match the #1270 to the HIN. With the HIN you could try through the registering agencies mid Atlantic to Southeast. Could spend $40 for a boatfax search. I think Bob 23 is correct.
The CP 16 molds were probably weary after 3000 hulls resulting in a decision to retool for the 16 or make some adjustments resulting in a new model, The Legacy.
Quote from: carry-on on December 04, 2015, 01:19:54 PM
I think Hutchins will be able to match the #1270 to the HIN. With the HIN you could try through the registering agencies mid Atlantic to Southeast. Could spend $40 for a boatfax search. I think Bob 23 is correct.
Hey Carry-On, good suggestion. will start with the phone call to Hutchin's. They are so great to work with. Then a call to the Virginia Game and Inland Fisheries folks since she was last owned in Virginia.
The CP 16 molds were probably weary after 3000 hulls resulting in a decision to retool for the 16 or make some adjustments resulting in a new model, The Legacy.
I suspect you are right. Still, the CP 16 is such a great design....
Alright Hutchin's obviously did not have computer record keeping back in 1980 (the most likely year of our 16) but after looking through some known boats we determined it to be a 1980. The photo's showed a number of 1270 on the mainsail, which we learned from Salty19 was more than likely the hull number. The Hutchins folks indicated that they DID NOT place such numbers on all of their boat sails, but some were and 1270 kinda matches up with what we do know about her approximate year.
The hull number is a combination of Hutchins ID, ABV
production # 1270
month as a letter (i.e. January=A, Feb=B, etc) ?
month and year as 3 digits (i.e. July 1980=780) ?80 (more than likely an 80 build year)
so here is what we have: ABV1270??80
Hope this helps folks understand the way the HIN's were done and hopefully help ring a bell out there for someone to check their HIN if they have a CP16 from about that year. Still on the trail!
so just realized the HIN was explained already on the forum. The only difference was the letter for the month. The lady I spoke with indicated that January was A, but the explanation here indicates that July is A. Both make sense as one is the calendar year and the other the fiscal year. Also there were 0's in front of the number of the boat to allow for expansion. i.e. 594=00594, or in our case 1270=01270
At the New Year thought would keep alive our search for our first boat CP16 Hull # 1270
Happy New Years all!
Well we are still looking for our first 16 but life has stirred the pot of boat ownership more than once and the final thing to float to the top of the pot was another 16 in our lives. She is an 87 Mk11 little used, fresh water, garage kept one owner until this spring. We are thinking of giving her her first name as she has never had one all these years. Mas! If anyone knows our story this fits.
JRNIPKANM could become,
JRBIPKANMNM
:)
Rick: You guys bought another boat? Good for you...!
Bob23
Rick: You guys bought another boat? Good for you...!
Bob23
Up early as i see u r too! Yup, we realized early on that No Mas was at this point in our lives simultaneously both too small and too large, thus Interlude became our floataminium that we could stay on while we where there. We are going to slowly learn her ways and become comfortable with her for those extended cruises we dream of. Meanwhile we had been looking for another 16 so we could go out for those short trips and/or singlehanded to get to those special little places we had visited years ago. We will dry sail her so only one boat in the water. We spent more putting cloth on Interlude's dodger and bimini frames than we did to buy the 16! We both are pretty excited about the combination for us. Susan wants/needs the simplicity of the 16, and to a degree so do i, to simply sail more. Now there is also no excuse for attending BBB 11.0!
I know this totally confuses your fee calculations Bob, but mostly how can you be an active member of a CPYOA unless ya got one! :)
Her name will be Mas. porque menos puede ser más
You, Susan and Mas have a standing invitation to BBB 2016! And if you bring cold beer, I will waive the re initiation fee for your new 16, something that's never been done before!!! Happy for you...something about the simplicity of a Compac 16. This has kind of rekindled my desire to own one. Of course, the Admiral will have my head if I show up with another boat.
Bob23
Hey Bob,
It was my admiral that helped push us to get one. Neither Susan nor myself are comfortable with Interlude being the platform for Susan to relearn/learn to sail on her own, something we both know is necessary if we do any extended cruising. It just made sense to fetch another 16 as that is what we learned on over 30 years ago. You're right, the simplicity just encourages you to get out there and just sail. I was very fortunate to have found one so close to us and in almost new condition (limited fresh water use, garage kept, one owner). We had been looking since May when we realized what was going to happen in our boat world. Would have bought our old one inna heart beat had we found her and she was for sale but we both knew that probably was not the scenario that would occur. i'm actually kinda excited to see how the Mk11 with her larger headsail (she came with the working jib and 150 genny) performs. Mostly she needs nothing and has little that could be needed. Not that it would have been the reason to buy one but that interior trim sure was an improvement over the Mk1's. Kinda like a miniature version of the 23 teak trim and headliner. Nice touch.
The 23 is an incredible boat but wanted that simplicity of the 16 that you are attracted too as well. Maybe you gotta part with one of your boats and then Linda might be ready to have Mas boat in your life! Say the word and I'll start looking again and send any I find your direction! There was a 16CB version down the road from our boats that a fellow has not been using since he got a Seaward. Might just have to check in with him. I am not wild about CB's but guess you don't have to use it since it was an after thought to help them point better.
Now back to the business at hand......we clearly qualify for fleet pricing, right!?
Of course you qualify for fleet pricing. Would you expect anything less? You buy the beer and I'll drink to the fleet!!!
I hope you make the BBB 2017 but it's a long way off. Next on the radar around here is the Mid Winter Gathering of the East Coast Compac-o-nauts. Stay tuned but it's also a long way off. Heck, it's still summer!
I haven't been looking for a 16 lately...too much going on in life. But once I sell my Precision 15 keel, with trailer then I may resume looking for one.
Bob23
I highly recommend the Legacy but with only 90 produced a little hard to find. After all the Legacy is an evolution of the i6, points better, faster, chain locker pulpit and boom gallows, easier to step the mast and I get compliments on her looks where ever she sails.
Thanks for the advice and know the short comings of the ole 16 but the die is cast and we are returning to the boat that taught us sailing! :)
Congratulations on the purchase of the CP16! Glad to hear you have another tool to help get you on the water. What's her name--is it really Mas?
Well we got Mas down Friday night, rigged her Saturday morning and went out. Was a great day with 10+ knot winds. Maybe i just don't remember but her weather helm was not really an issue, maybe that little change with the larger headsail and effort further forward helped over our first Mk1 16. Regardless she has already endeared herself to me.
So TMW her name is indeed Mas. It fits in our situation on so many levels!
Well Bob, sitting last night with the usual marina crew having some cold ones and one of the folks mentioned seeing a CP16 for sale just up the road from us, she thought for $1,800 with trailer. It was at a place called Calico Jacks. Link below, jus sayin!
https://www.calicojackstrading.com/home.html
OBTW, didn't realize that Hutchins made any of the 16's with the cream/beige colored hull and deck but Mas came with a tan!
Quote from: Mas on September 18, 2016, 07:41:01 AM
Well we got Mas down Friday night, rigged her Saturday morning and went out. Was a great day with 10+ knot winds. Maybe i just don't remember but her weather helm was not really an issue, maybe that little change with the larger headsail and effort further forward helped over our first Mk1 16. Regardless she has already endeared herself to me.
So TMW her name is indeed Mas. It fits in our situation on so many levels!
Well Bob, sitting last night with the usual marina crew having some cold ones and one of the folks mentioned seeing a CP16 for sale just up the road from us, she thought for $1,800 with trailer. It was at a place called Calico Jacks. Link below, jus sayin!
https://www.calicojackstrading.com/home.html
OBTW, didn't realize that Hutchins made any of the 16's with the cream/beige colored hull and deck but Mas came with a tan!
Just got a clue as to the tan color of our 16, from an old article from Keith Scott:
"The Com-Pac Club in Clearwater, FL invited our North Carolina Club to participate in a race in Clearwater. Com-Pac had just produced 2000 Com-Pac 16s and they made 10 boats that had a special tan color to celebrate the event. I decided to buy 3 of those boats and sail them in the FL race. "
Good chance ours is one of those. :)
What was the year of the 2000th CP16 edition? My '87 Mark I has a cream deck and hull, although faded to nearly white.
Hey Dave, I am now sure ours was not one of those 10 if Keith is accurate. Our HIN indicates #2508. Maybe they did a 2500 tan edition as well. You have an 87 Mk!? ours is an 87 Mk 11. Puzzling . What's ur HIN?
You gunna plan on coming to the CBMWG event? We are so pleased to have a 16 again. :)
Quote from: Mas on November 11, 2015, 06:49:12 PM
Now that we have returned to sailing (see "No Mas has new home" in the lounge) and have mostly documented No Mas' history we regret not keeping up with our first boat, a Compac 16. Here is all we know, she was sold to a professor I believe in the Environmental Sciences department at the University of Virginia in 1990. She was living on her trailer at our new little farm in Whitehall when he came to trailer it away. My two year old was more sad than us and we never saw her again.
So this is a huge long shot, but maybe someone here has or knows of a CP16 that has some glimmer of this history. Would love to trace her history, her ownership is still helping direct our lives. Sailing again!
No Mas
OK, so I know it's been awhile since this "
Help Me Find My First Love" thread was started, but it just so happens that what looks like an older style (Mk. I?) 1979 Com-Pac 16 is for sale right there
in Charlottesville, Virginia as I write this...and a rather pretty little filly, at that. Check out http://www.sailboatlistings.com/view/50042 (http://www.sailboatlistings.com/view/50042) for more details and owner contact info. Who knows? Maybe that's your gal.
Hey Bilge, thanks for thinking of me. The ad is over a year old it seems. spoke with the fellow who posted it. Got enough info to pretty much rule out ours, though he didn't know the HIN number thus could not completely rule out. He did get her in Florida 10 years ago prior to moving up here so probably not ours. We got ours in Florida then promptly brought her here for the almost 10 years we sailed her, then sold her here 27 years ago.
Was out yesterday in light and variable winds until Susan says, "start the motor, let's go find us a beach." with 18" draft easy enough. :)
So Bob23, aka Bro Bob, I did check on that 16CB we saw and reached out to the owner. He does says he is interested in selling her. Just think, you could come down for CBMWG 2.0 and leave with a 16cb in your rear mirror!
Yeah, and you're all invited to my funeral...after the Admiral does me in! I am interesting in hearing more about this 16cb.
Bob23
will give ya a call! What kind of flowers for the funeral? :)
Pansies, of course for da bro.
????????
Quote from: Mas on October 30, 2016, 06:06:20 PM
Hey Dave, I am now sure ours was not one of those 10 if Keith is accurate. Our HIN indicates #2508. Maybe they did a 2500 tan edition as well. You have an 87 Mk!? ours is an 87 Mk 11. Puzzling . What's ur HIN?
You gunna plan on coming to the CBMWG event? We are so pleased to have a 16 again. :)
Well Dave spoke to Rich today at Hutchins. I does seem they cranked out a run of "the earth tones so popular in the day" about the time ours were brought into this world.
You have a Mark 2, and our boats were possibly being born at the same time. We are within 19 boats of each other. With you in Lynchburg and Mas home, we otta go bother Tim!
it's nice to see I have friends in low places!!! You guys crack me up!!!!
Well with all of the buzz about the CBMWG 2.0 and work on our PSC now that she is on the hard, 'Mas' our CP16, has been sitting up here on our little farm, far from the bay, under a tarp, wondering what happened to all of the water and warm weather. I am still looking for our first CP16 (hull #1270) just cuz but did track down the original and mostly only owner since she was new of our new to us this past September 87' MkII CP16 (a second owner had her for 5 months before we got her). It seems she was sailed some on weekends on Smith Mountain Lake and Lake MooMaw for about 10 years and garage kept in-between those trips. The owner and his wife then stopped sailing (his first mate got a little scared in a storm) and she sat unused in his garage for almost 20 years till this past spring when he decided the space could be best used by something else. That explains the almost new condition of everything. I had asked him what kind of polish he had used cuz you could see your face in the gelcoat shine, he said none. This boat has been in a time capsule it appears. It now is incumbent upon us to keep her looking like she was just hatched.
She really needs nothing but we are gunna get a mainsail cover for her (if anyone knows of one for sale reach out) and she still has the original flat plate rudder we have been used to. Am considering a foiled rudder but am not sure what kind of a difference it would make on a CP16 MkII. Any thoughts there would be appreciated from other CP16 owners. Also still wondering what happened that first boat of ours that started all of this. :)
Mas,
My sweet 16 is: ABV02527E787.
Get a hydrofoil, you will love your tiller . . .
Dave
Thanks Dave, our boats are only 19 numbers apart. Mas is 2508
What kind of foiled rudder do you have? Is it one of those Ida types? Also, you will need to clear your calendar for CBMWG! Know you had been threatening to get your 16 down to that neck of the woods for a little salt water foray, so this will give you the opportunity to check it out and add to the already epic collection of folks of dubious character that are attending!
Dubious characters? I resemble that!
I have an Ida, it came with the boat. It is a joy. Remember to tighten up the lock nuts on the rudder and then back up the lock nuts. The originals will eventually slip and loosen resulting in lop sided wear requiring inserts to get the play out of the rudder. I think just replacing the old nylon insert lock nuts with double standard nuts is the best way to go. Grease the moving parts first, tighten the first set of nuts to just slightly dragging, then lock them with the second set of nuts.
Dave
Quote from: Citroen/Dave on February 05, 2017, 11:31:13 AM
I have an Ida, it came with the boat. It is a joy. Remember to tighten up the lock nuts on the rudder and then back up the lock nuts. The originals will eventually slip and loosen resulting in lop sided wear requiring inserts to get the play out of the rudder. I think just replacing the old nylon insert lock nuts with double standard nuts is the best way to go. Grease the moving parts first, tighten the first set of nuts to just slightly dragging, then lock them with the second set of nuts.
Dave
Thanks so much for the response Dave. Much treasure is being being spent for the anticipated and ongoing work on Interlude while she is on the hard so will have to see if there is money left in the budget for a new rudder for Mas. Since I have never sailed a 16 with a foiled rudder at least i don't know what I am missing! Everyone does say it makes a big difference so hoping she will sport one this year. Sorry you are unable to join all of us at CBMWG but lets do plan to sail some!
Fair winds to you and your family.
Rick
Thanks, Rick. Have a great weekend with the crew. If this weather keeps up I may go to SML soon . . .
Quote from: Citroen/Dave on February 08, 2017, 02:47:30 PM
Thanks, Rick. Have a great weekend with the crew. If this weather keeps up I may go to SML soon . . .
If you are considering that reach out as we are not all that far from SML and bothering Tim!
Will raise a glass to ya inna couple days at CBMWG.
Well have a few sails under our belt with the new Ida rudder and even switched it back out for part of a day to compare again. A couple notes come to mind, yes she does point a little higher now, though the increased headsail from the Mk1 to a Mk2 was a bigger change to address weather helm. Now she has just the right amount! I don't like the fact the new rudder wishes to float thus must keep the pivot bolt clamped pretty hard. I did check to see if it would kick up still if a grounding occurred and it will if tightened just the right amount! It is a quieter sail too.
Great day yesterday once the wind made up it's mind and once it did it got a mind set quickly. Almost buried a rail not being mindful of a gust that i could clearly see coming but figured was just another of the brief puffs we had for a couple hours. No so, got my attention!
Well we have more and more been very grateful to have this 16 in our lives yet still keep an eye out for the one that taught us sailing, just to know what happened to her. Hopefully she was out yesterday as well. :)
oh....and she acquitted herself well out distancing a Precision 23 on more than one point of sail, in light and variable then becoming steady 10 plus. Jus sayin!
Luv this little boat. :)
Well all the talk about Bob maybe getting a 16 in Springfield reminded me to put this out there again. Even though we are sailing another 16 now we are still curious what happened to the little 16 that taught us sailing over 35 years ago. Bought used in Florida around 1980, sailed on the Chesapeake till 1989, and sold in Charlottesville about 1990. Hull number 1270.
If any of you fellow 16 owners have her or know about her reach out, would love to know she is still out there doing what she always did, sail.
Here's a photo from the day! That's us about mid 1980's somewhere on the Chesapeake. Hmmm...must have been after we had her for a couple years cuz she's sporting a motor. Susan insisted.
Rick, maybe you should buy 'em all! Is there a reward if we find it?
Quote from: Bob23 on December 04, 2017, 04:44:47 AM
Rick, maybe you should buy 'em all! Is there a reward if we find it?
Yup there is! Our gratitude and a beer! :)
As far as buying them all...I think we have done a marvelous job in a little over two years since returning to sailing buying boats! It's now my task to help others buy boats. The new owners of 'Miracle' the Flicka are sill wondering what happened! There's a 16 out there for you somewhere, maybe even hull number 1270.
I'd be honored to own #1270!
Alrighty, up after one heck of a storm came through. Just finished getting our 16 back to the bay and rigged. It reminded me to repost on this thread as many 16's have been discussed and ya never know that first one that taught us sailing decades ago, #1270, is out there somewhere! She been found yet?! Last seen in Charlottesville when we sold her in 1991. Attached a picture of us and our little boat sailing somewhere on the Chesapeake a buzzilion years ago. We bought her in Florida and were clueless we needed to register her here in Virginia, thus the Florida registration number.
Well since many new folks on this forum with CP 16's now in their lives, though it would be time to revive, yet again, our posts searching for our first 16. Check those hull numbers folks as we still hope to find where our little boat that we put up for adoption soon pushing 30 years ago may be. Her hull number is on the sail.