Well first time back sailing after 25 years! We are excited and hope to meet other Compac owners in our area. (Deltaville, Topping, Va.) We cut our teeth on a Compac 16 with no electronics. lights, plumbing, wenches (no lady's would volunteer), or motor (my wife insisted we get one after a close call sailing into dock in 15knot wind without one!). We are now the new owners of a CP23D "No Mas". She has sailed Lake Superior, Alaska, Sea of Crotez and most recently Gulf of Mexico, Chesapeake Bay, Maine coast.. The pervious owners had done many upgrades and she is truly a proper little yacht. Currently she is on her trailer getting winterized, engine flushed and oil changed, some small maitenance items and new bottom paint this spring before she goes into her slip and the adventures begin!
update: 5/2/17
Well this thread has done double duty as "No Mas" has a new home yet again since this intro, as she works her way around North America! Her new owner is planning to keep her on the Maine coast. If he ever sells her we are hoping she goes to the lakes so she can complete her circumnavigation! (the updates are in bold above) Meanwhile "Mas" a CP16 came into our lives along with a big sister "Interlude" a PSC31. This should help keep this making sense.....well maybe a little!
Welcome!!
It is great to hear from another Chesapeake Bay Sailor.
Saga (1989 Compac 23/3) is kept in Colonial Beach, VA. I make it out to the bay a few times a year for a cruise. I haven't been to Deltaville in a few years but it is a fun place to visit and sail.
You have some great sailing grounds. Close to home you have Urbanna. You also have Tangier, Onancock, and Smith Island. All of those are great cruises. There are other anchorages close by in the Great Wicimico, Indian Creek, Little Wicimico, and a few other places.
Maybe we will pass by sometime!
Thanks! We spend a season sailing out of Colonial Beach as well before we moved our little 16 to the Deltaville area. My wife's brother has a small cottage there and the CP16 was only so much fun to stay on for days with it's primitive set-up! We hoisted kerosine anchor lights, had stick on steaming lights and no head! What a wonderful wife. Love the new creature comforts of No Mas.
I have to say that I do envy your diesel. I am trying to get use to an outboard but coming from a diesel, I miss the range a lot. I tend to do a lot of longer cruises in the Chesapeake Bay and the outboard can be a bit of a problem. Unfortunately, in the Chesapeake Bay, especially in the summer, we do a lot more motoring that we would care to admit!
Make sure you get over to Tangier Island this coming year and visit Park's Marina. Place is cheap to visit but very neat to look around. It is a true gem of the Chesapeake Bay. Smith Island is also worth the cruise over and you can make a cool circuit by doing Tangier to Chrisfield, Chrisfield to Smith Island, Smith Island to home (or something similar). I try to keep my jaunts under 30 miles, especially in the smaller boat single handed.
I hear you on the benefit of diesel. We are excited by the project of being able to motor for an extended period if needed. She has a 12 gallon fuel tank and Gerry at Hutchins indicates we should expect a quart an hour with a 5knot steaming speed. With that said, we hope to continue the tradition of this boat's extensive cruising history with little motor time (352 hours on a 1990 yanmar). We are very excited about exploring the thousands of miles of shoreline the Chesapeake has to offer. We believe that the CP23's are the perfect choice, if you wish no CB to deal with, to explore such wonderful cruising grounds. I am looking forward to meeting other CP owners on "the bay'!
Thanx again for reaching out.
Have always admired the custom work done on No Mas. We are on Mill Creek in Wake (a few miles up the Rivah from DVL) sailing Beagle 3, our 1990 CP23. It is on the trailer at our home. We had her at Horn Harbor on the Great Wicomico for the last two years, but are thinking of keeping her closer to home next season. What marina are you at?
Hey peterg,
No Mas here. we are in Topping, just down the road from you in Regent Point Marina. So nice to have another Compac 23 so close by! We should make plans to visit.
Really appreciate all of the knowledge here, glad to be aboard.
Hrm....A Chesapeake Bay Compac Owner's meet-up may be in the works.
Anyone else in the area want to chime in?
I'm typically on the far side of the bay, and think a meet up sounds like a great idea, as it gets warmer.
Yep, got the feeling that a Chesapeake Compac owners meeting might just be the ticket as we head into spring. Let's keep reaching out for others and stay in touch. Meanwhile, since she she is so new for me, i suspect that though she is going to live on her trailer under a cover till bottom painting and launching in April, I will be sneaking down to putz about.
Count me in for a C23 owners get-together!! In fact, we have to do this- Bob23 and those Yankees up on Barnegat Bay can't have all the fun! We should challenge them to a PBR drinking contest, and barring that, they could sail down to the Chesapeake to defend their honor in feats of sailing derring-do!! Really, though, we should get together socially in the coming off-season at Willoughby's, Merroirs, Something Different, or any eating establishment of anyone's choice, just to compare notes on things Compac and sailing in general. Let's get in touch and set something up. Any taker's?
My interest is caught. It would be interesting.
Where is the middle point for all of us?
I am located in Woodbridge, VA.
Tappahannock is about 30-40 minutes west of Deltaville. It is about 30-40 minutes from where I keep the boat (Colonial Beach). That could be a possible point but finding a suitable place to eat may be challenging.
I bet that there are other Compacs in Northern Virginia that aren't on here. There has to be. There are also several Compac 27 that I have heard of. One is for sale at Olverson's marina. My Uncle told me of one in Deltaville at a marina he had some boat work done at.
Count me in as well! Merrior has a great draft beer list, and we are great draft beer drinkers! Know we will be down to get the winter cover on No Mas when the winterizing and a few maintenance items are done, not sure when. Look forward to starting a regular thing with us crazy small boat types. Maybe work towards having a Compac cruise, spend the night kinda thing in the spring. I clearly will be needing time to learn No Mas as our 16 had no winches, only hank on sails, no electric and a bucket for plumbing. Not sure i will even know how to sail/rig her at first till i learn the rigging. Unfortunately they had me cornered in a closing when it was derigged and the survey was completed. Oh well, just part of the new excitement over her ownership.!
Let's all keep in touch and reach out for others. Got 3 or 4 of us already. HeaveToo if you goggle Topping Va. you have where we are, also peterg who is only a couple miles away and Merrior can be googled as well. It is associated with the Rappahanock Oyster folks. It is about 20-30 minutes west of Deltaville right on Locklies Creek.
obtw, know there was a Compac 27 in the same marina as us but we missed them by two days, gone to Florida. maybe they are migratory! hurricane season and hot weather sends folks scurrying back north in the summer.
I know that in the Spring/Summer a good place to meet could be Smith Creek near Point Lookout, VA. There is a good place in the back to raft up (plenty of protection), good scenery, and a marina not too far from it. The marina is Point Lookout Marina.
I tend to anchor out and stay away from marinas. Saga is set up with some good ground tackle (22lb Lewmar and 30' of 1/4" chain).
Anyway, that is 30 miles from Colonial Beach and close to 30 miles from Deltaville. I usually do a cruise around the end of May so that may be a good time frame.
As far as a winter meet-up; I am in NOVA so going near Deltaville is a long haul. Tappahannock wouldn't be too bad (40 minutes for you guys and 1.5 hours from me) but I am curious to see how many other sailors would actually show up.
Colonial Beach has a bunch of restaurants, though I have only eaten at one of them. In fact, I've been to CB only once. It is about 1 1/2 hours from my home, but I'd be willing to meet there for a Fall end o' season Compac gathering, sans boats! Heave To- any suggestions on passable CB eateries? Open to all suggestions!
Dockside is a great place to eat. Their food is usually pretty good. Good food and it has interesting local nightlife! LOL
High Tides has the best view in town. Usually the food is good.
Colonial Beach is a good place for a location. If there are any Southern Maryland Compac Yachts out there it wouldn't be too bad for them as it isn't too far from the Rt. 301 bridge.
Timing has to be good because my weekends are booking up quick. I work every other weekend (Life of a LEO) and I am on nights so that really stinks. I don't think that I have an open weekend until around December 20. We may be best to plan something in January to get the holiday madness out of the way.
Any thoughts or suggestions?
Darn!!! All of this planning, holidays, etc. and I am still trying to figure out when I can get down to the boat to wire in the new radio. Oh well, no rush, spring is a long ways away right now. Ugh!
So....calling all Middle Peninsula and Northern neck Comoac owners, lets find an excuse to get together during the Not Sailing season to talk about the Sailing Season!
We got three of us ready to meet and apply some 12oz ballast and grub! Love to have a good slip warming party for No Mas, she's never been on the east coast, wanna make her feel welcome!
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Very nice boat!
Shawn
Thanks Shawn, she has seen much cruising time since that piece. Some of the items have long departed from the boat, such as the dodger, propane grill, zip on flys and one of the anchor/rode combo's. She has gone from Bristol to Very Good condition but all she really needs is a little TLC and to cruise the Chesapeake!
Has traveled from Clearwater Florida to the Great Lakes, to Colorado, to Alaska, to Sea of Cortez, back to Colorado, to Mobile Alabama, to Topping Virginia. We were saving the best for last!
You will get her back to that order.
The canvas work stuff is really not that hard to do. If you find a good used sewing machine with metal gears that is half of the battle. It saves you a pile of money.
If you can't do it my last boat had bimini, dodger, connector, main sail cover, and a hatch cover made by the Ship's Taylor in Deltaville. This was VERY high quality work and impressive. The previous owner did it so it was probably expensive.
The previous owner had a bimini, dodger, connector, and main cover on the boat prior to my purchasing it. The material is not sunbrella and the frames are aluminum. This is fine but I wish I had stainless steel frames and sunbrella. I may eventually fabricate my own. Getting new frames would be the expensive part.
One of the most important pieces of cruising gear is screens on a boat. Trust me, if you find the black flies or mosquitoes you will be thankful you have them. Most areas can be prone to this.
Thank you so much HeaveToo! I hear you on the bugs! We have camped extensively on the outer-banks of N.C. We simply don't go in the dead of summer, but have spent as much as a month in remote camping situations. Having good fans. good awnings and GOOD SCREENING, is paramount to enjoying the remoteness. One of the reasons we went solar 20 yrs. ago. Liked the fans and refrigeration. Can't go get ice!
Not sure about lots of summer sailing, will just have to see. Gotta assume the nettles have gotten no better, and airs can be kinda iffy. Still the long daylight hours, the water temp. and lazy feel of a summer's day are pretty good draws! A bad day on the boat is better than a good day at work most of the time. :)
One other warning...Beware Reedsville. They have fish factories there and in the wrong wind the stench blows miles out into the bay. Wit that stink comes the black flies.
Other insects are the mosquitoes that are by the marshes.
There are Canadian Soldiers that look like mosquitoes but they don't bite. They do leave green poop on the boat when they are trapped in the dew. The stain is hard to get of of the boat.
In the summers you can expect a storm pattern where storms start hitting around 5pm and the chance lasts to about 11pm. The sailing can be dead or it can be good.
Spring and Fall watch the Fronts. After they pass the wind will come out of the North West pretty hard.
My favorite months are May and then September. September you can expect more wind.
Fans are important. My other thoughts are to eventually add an AC somehow to the boat. Take a slip when it gets really hot and turn on the AC and that will extend the cruising system.
Will have to see how the tides pull us, as we have an equal love of our mountains, where we spend many winter days in a little place we have at 3,876ft elevation, navigating the frozen stuff! It also becomes our summer get a way, as it sits above the usual summer weather down below. We do however love being on the water and, as mentioned, spent extended times camped with our land yacht on islands off the Carolina coast. (had taken our little 16 there as well) That season has always been late May into June and again in September into October. Same season as sailing, good wind for it, less bugs, less people, pretty chill! We certainly are planning when skills and knowledge of No Mas are ready, to ICW down to those same islands. Compacs are good for the really shoal plagued sounds there. Also some crazy water at times. We were ducking into Silver Lake Harbor on Ocracoke running before a storm that came from nowhere out of the haze and actually produced some water spouts (not near us) that were interesting to watch! Summer sailing, late June. We are planning to be on the water in April with an eye to weather and staying on the water till late October early November when we will pull her out for the winter again.
I also vote for a January meeting, though we will be down working on No Mas and getting her ready for winter over next month or so. I am available most days as we are blessed to be in charge of our schedules. I do know that MLK weekend in January will find me running away from all the crowds that come to our mountain for three days of crowded slopes and general holiday mayhem. Needless to say probably won't be huge crowds heading to the bay that same weekend but many folks do have that Monday off. Jus something to think about. We'd need to figure out the accommodation thing as my brother inlaws cottage will have been long winterized and closed as will No Mas. We can work out that though.
So was thinking about the up coming winter and getting a gathering together that has been suggested by some folks on this thread. Think it might be more available to start a new thread about a Chesapeake gathering, in particular Middle Peninsula and Norther Neck Virginia for a location but open to all?
Some thoughts and suggestions have been wait till after the holiday crazies and do in January. MLK weekend has Monday of for many.......what do ya think? New Thread?
Chime in HeaveToo and PeterG.
We could do a thread in the meet-up forum.
Northern Neck may draw some Maryland sailors. We can make it simple, informal, but fun then it would be a good thing.
I would love a Chesapeake raft-up someday. That would be fun but to be our own group we could ban PBR and go with better beers and rum. LOL Nothing wrong with a little vitamin R!
BAN PBR?????? I'll bring the Gosslings, Newfy's, Pussers and Kraken!!!!!
So...we have had draft beer on tap since 1991. My son has a small brewery that sells another fermented product but he still makes great beer just for all of us. This could go in the "upgrades or hardware section" but seems to fit here.....a mod for small kegs on board :) Hmmm...second thought, might never leave dock!
Yup, i vote of some where central to most. I am located a fer piece from our boat, 2 1/2 hours, but the Northern neck is not much different drive time. I also vote for January after the holiday crazy stuff.
Mas:
Remember that the 4th annual MWG is January 16th. Check here for the info and c'mon up!
http://cpyoa.geekworkshosting.com/forum/index.php?topic=8903.msg66690#new
Bob23
Good point, will have to see what makes sense. Looks like a fun gathering.
I'm asking for a final roster no later than November 30th and I'll reconfirm on the MWG thread. Let me know when and were yours is. I'll travel to hang out with fellow Compac-o-nauts!!!!!!
Good Grief No Mas- don't get involved with that gangster Bob23. He'll try to charge you a $5000.00 border crossing fee to pass into NJ, and that would be on top of the $3500.00 initiation fee, not to mention the 12% tax on the fees! After the fee schedule is negotiated and you pay up, he is not a bad guy to hang around with! He also has a very fine boat! If the gathering is not in NJ, the fee still applies.
Hey PeterG, so i hear....we might just have to start a Middle and Southern Bay group and only charge 80% of Bob23's fees. Such a deal! I am not sure how to handle the PBR question. It's not really beer so maybe we could allow it if not marketed as such. :)
I think that we would be the only Chesapeake Bay group.
I definitely can't do the PBR thing. Yeesh. Might as well be Milwaukee's Best, A.K.A. the Beast. Lately all I can seem to drink, beer wise, is Porters or Stouts. There is a really good brewery right by my house called Ornery Beer Company and their Occoquan Oats is a great one.
Since the meet up north is January 16 (I am thinking that they need to hold it later in the year because Bob23 will be snowed in by then being all the way up in Jersey) we could shoot towards the end of January. Actually, I should be off the weekend of January 30. That date might work. On January 16 there is the RV show at the Dulles Expo and my wife and I are planning on looking at it.
Heave: I have 4wd and PBR!!!! Truth be known, a while back my beer taste buds grew up a bit. I love Guinness and Omegang 3 Philosophers is another favorite. This spring I had the pleasure of tying Ballantine IPA! Yup- you head that right! It's potent and really good. Recently had some nice local beer while in Maine from Boothbay Craft Brewery.
So there!!!!!
LOL....Man, that sounds SO redneck. PBR and 4x4. Actually, that even sounds like the title for a country song!
How is January 30 sounding to everyone?
Great!!!!!
http://cpyoa.geekworkshosting.com/forum/index.php?topic=9015.0 FYI
Sorry hijacked the thread. I figured that we need a new place in the right place for this information.
Up early and thought a quick response for this thread is in order. Since a Chesapeake bay hook up for Compac owners has grown out of this thread and now is being coordinated by HeaveToo on the outings and event section, check out that thread for info on our Chesapeake group(well we seem to be forming one) mid-winter gathering. Meanwhile continuing with No Mas new home, she now has a playmate just two or three miles away, same year same birthing center! The parents have already visited each other and each others babies and there is the possibility of both Saga and No Mas actually living on the same creek! How exciting for them, play dates just around the corner.
Saga's dad took me out for lunch after meeting No Mas and on the way to Killmarnock we passed what looked like a homeless CP 16 sitting out on the street corner begging someone to adopt her. If indeed up for adoption they make nice additions to most homes and would more than likely reward her new parents with many enjoyable times on the water, which of course is what they are born to do. Anyway I can help direct you to her but PeterG knows the area better, and hot tips on good places to eat! Might be worth checking her out.
Stay tuned....more coming soon as the mystery of the sunken sloop's missing mast now is the talk of all the boats on Locklies Creek where No Mas lives. Soon may be dived on to sort out what the story really is. :)
Saga is my boat. Is there another Compac 23 named Saga out there?
Nope juist a Sag(ging) brain! I was thinking of PeterG's boat Beagle 3.
Whew....I know it isn't an original name but I was hoping to be one of a kind on the Bay. I had that fight with flags for a long time. Each boat has had its own flag. I started with pirate flags and I graduated to my current flag. The current flag is a Norse Raven Banner. I have seen one other boat flying a similar flag but not the traditional one I am flying on Saga.
Bad Obsession: 1982 Hunter 22. Picture at Chrisfield, MD: (http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm199/HeaveToo/JollyRoger.jpg)
Spirit of Liberty: 1990 Catalina 30. Picture at Jackson Creek, Deltaville, VA. Flag is Bartholomew Roberts Flag: (http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm199/HeaveToo/Spirit%20of%20liberty%20flag_zpsfigz7su4.jpg)
Saga: 1989 Compac 23/3. Picture at Solomons Island, MD: (http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm199/HeaveToo/2014%20Solomons%20Island%20Trip/013_zps470e39bf.jpg)
Nice pics HeaveToo! Can't wait to cruise some with you and see her.
Update on No Mas' home port. The Folks who run Merrior and the oyster company attached to it are hoping to expand their docks and fuel dock and have been in conversations about refloating and removing the sunken sloop whose mast has been above the water there for 9 years. Still no real word on what happened to the mast. It disappeared last week. If they do refloat would love to watch the process! AAA just doesn't tow those kinda wrecks. :)
I like the flag idea and didn't know that each boat can have a flag of it's own.
I did a lot of research on each flag. Each flag has a history which makes a good conversational topic.
First boat: Bad Obsession flew the pirate flag of Christopher Moody. Much wasn't really know about him but he was the ONLY pirate of his era that flew a Red Flag. Red means no quarter will be given. The Skull meant death, the arm with a dagger meant that he wasn't afraid to fight, and the hour glass with the wings on it meant that the person's time to live was flying away.
Second Boat: Bart Roberts was one of the most successful pirate. He is more well known and there are lots of exploits about his ventures. The flag is him toasting death.
Saga, Compac 23/3: Norse flag. It is said that Viking commanders, such as Ivar the Boneless, flew it in battle. It was said that if the Raven't wings were fluttering then the commander would win in battle.
So HeaveToo, i am learning more about you here! All pirate flags and a nod to the Vikings, who were not know for their yacht club kinda ways! I am now wondering what flag we should fly?!
No Mas is getting her Christmas present a little early, she is now entering the 21rst century and getting a chart plotter. The knot meter had given up the ghost and thought she should have a proper GPS system. Still have the paper charts though!
Know there are many reasons that boat are referred to in the feminine, and the cost of accessories is one of them!
Well No Mas is now all tucked in for the winter, her Christmas present installed and now it's time for the plans to begin for spring launch. She already has playmates lined up and the parents are planning a mid winter Chesapeake gathering (see lounge for details).
Update on the sunken sloop and missing mast. Spoke to a diver who said there are plans afoot to raise it. Otta be worth watching! Will keep all posted.
It appears a workboat from out of the area tagged the mast and now she is leaning over in the water. A couple small markers out. Always conversation in this little place.
No Mas is now fully tucked in for the winter. Dreamin of Spring but looking forward to Winter.
Well it looked as though No Mas would have another 23 playmate since a sailor near us just got from under a 37 foot hole in the water and was interested in something like a 23. She actually didn't even want or could afford one that big after all. So when was the last time someone thought our 23"s were too big?!
so No Mas still got a new playmate but it is gunna be a Typhoon. Now there's a boat you sail up a storm in. :) Pun intended. Will be interesting to compare the sailing characteristics on the Typhoon with our 23D. My guess though almost 19ft oa, they have the typical Alberg sheer and overhangs so that the water line length is more like 13ft. Ballast to Disp. ratio bout the same as a 23 but does have that full keel with attached rudder. My guess will point a little better than No Mas' shoal keel but a little slower overall.
Might still invite her to join us at the CBMWG regardless as anyone who wanted a CP23 ought to qualify right?!
Right! And the Cape Dory Typhoon is a beautiful boat. I think they were made in 2 versions, one with a bigger cabin but honestly I'm going from memory. And I'd imagine when heeled, that waterline increases nicely. I looked at one that had been bashed around by Hurricane Sandy but it disappeared before I could buy it. I bet my wife paid someone off so I didn't stand a chance!
Bob23
yup, this one is the weekender version, fractional rig rather than mast head. Small cabin with a port on each side. Was in great shape for the 1980 year. I also just learned that Compac did a CB version of the CP16. Learnin something new every day! Must admit, though we loved our little 16, she could not point worth a hoot if you had any significant heel. The keel was, at those points, in the "shadow" of the hull and provided some righting moment but virtually no leeway deterrent. A CB would have helped that significantly. Just don't like large moving parts underwater where they will hit stuff! Had a CB jam on a friends boat and we almost could recover her since he had to load on the trailer.
Well our most recent trip down to the boat revealed an ironic situation. Years ago (decades) when we had just sold our little CP16 and knew sailing was going to end for the foreseeable future (starting family, buying farm, yadda yadda), we went to the Annapolis Boat show one last time where, on the last day of the show, we were sitting aboard a Hans Christian 33T when my wonderful wife uttered a question that helped keep the dream alive. If you have never seen below decks on a HC33T google it. She looked around and after a bit then she asked "so how much can we get for our house?" I have never let her forget that question. The irony is that that same boat is now on the hard right next to No Mas!
As we move towards spring and excited about slashing No Mas, we are tempered by an event near us that claimed the lives of two livaboards and destroyed well over 20 boats, dock facilities, structures and the resultant environmental damage thus plunging the close knit community of Urbanna into shock and disbelief. It also appears it was arson. Many of the boats destroyed had been in families for generations, it is heartbreaking. Send prayers and thoughts to that community. Goggle Urbanna Fire if wish any more information. I guess all should be thankful that given the time of year many slips were empty and no others on boats or the consequences could have been even worse. I know we will install a smoke alarm on No Mas.
It is awful. I heard about it. It was overshadowed in the news but the death of one Prince William Officer and the shooting of two others. It is awful to hear of people being killed in boat fires.
NoMas, was that your marina?
Hey Heave, it was not. we are in Topping just down the Rivah from Urbanna. Have friends there though and actually the major of Urbanna is the brother of friends of ours. You are right, it was awful. The pictures and video are scenes from Dante's inferno.
Oddly, last year Port Kinsale Marina had the same fire issue. It is so sad. I hate to see boats burned, neglected, damage, etc.
I really feel bad for everyone involved. Unfortunately this happens a lot.
Turn off your Shore Power when you leave the boat. The other thing is that the space heaters aboard, they are so dangerous!
Well we are a little closer to splashing. PeterG did yeoman's duty helping rig the boat over the last few day so she's finally got her cloth on and it ready for bottom painting. Must admit Peter seemed quite pleased with not fretting over his boat this year. I reminded him that simply selling his boat would not get him out of sailing OPB's!
Got a new punch list going which is the topic for another thread as the list seems to self generate!
Next, new mooring line and new chain and rode. Gotta be able to keep her from wandering off after she's turned loose on the water. Think Bob23 had an episode of his boat wandering off once!
Great news, Rick. Pedro, which is his real name, is a wealth of sailing information as well as a generally great guy. Remind me when I see you to share the tale of how we met at the very first BBB!
I did indeed come very close to loosing Koinoina last summer while I was in Gloucester recovering from the toughest Blackburn Challenge in history.
Bob23
Well thought it might be useful to fire this topic up again, though never would have thought so from the first post almost a year ago. As many of you know No Mas is having her adoption papers signed this week and she is moving to New England. Jonathan, the soon to be new owner of this great boat, has been lurking, so welcome him if he chooses to register, which I will certainly encourage! I will let him choose to give any details on her future sailing grounds but am pleased he will carry this boats name to new grounds.
Bob, he doesn't know about the $5,000 initiation fee payable to you so you might wanna sent cousin Vinnie up there to collect :)
We may be without a Compac, but will still stay active here. Some one has to keep Bob in line!
This is great news, Rick! And I'm glad you are sticking around, although I must remind you that once you join this group, you can never really leave. (Hotel California?? Mafia??) Congratulations on No Mas's adaption going through and I do hope that Jonathon joins up. Looking forward to some kind of fall or winter CB gathering. Stay well...been out sailing lately? The weather up here in NJ has been excellent!
Best,
Bob23
Rick, a better man than me are you to take on the task of keeping B23 in line.
TG
Some one has to keep Bob in line!
Is that actually possible??
What.....?????, I though he was supposed to keep me in line!
It's been hot here still but at least wind. Was out yesterday and what do I spy.....A Compac 23D coming out from our little creek! Go figure, didn't know there was one tucked up there too! We hailed each other in passing kinda surprised to see one another.
No Mas came out of the water today. Readying her for her trip north.
No Mas is gone north. Look to welcome Jonathan to the forum. We had a good time meeting one another, a late dinner, a few ornery stay shackles, all buttoned up for hurricane conditions for the next 10 hours...........still kinda amazed about all of this.
Sitting aboard Interlude right now reflecting on where i was a year ago with this return to sailing thing, the boats, the folks we have met, the new vision that now permeates our thinking, Has it really only been 10 months?
Ok, now back to business....Bob, you and i still have that Guiness we owe each other. CBMWG 2?
Again, congrats on No Mas moving on. It's said that the 2 happiest days of boat ownership is when we buy and when we sell. I have not found this to be true. And yes, we do indeed owe each other a Guinness and I'll toss in another round to celebrate No Mas new owner. CBMWG version 2.0 here we come!
Bob23
(ps: I just don't understand people who don't like Guinness. My son and brother who both have excellent taste in beer both abhor Guinness. I guess our tastes become more refined as we age. I absolutely love it!!)
Seems we have company........
"My favorite food from my homeland is Guinness. My second choice in Guinness. My third choice - would have to be Guinness. "
Peter O'Toole
Looks like Hermine will give us a glancing blow. One less boat in the water to fret about!
She's chilling up north while we still steam here!
While in Punta Gorda, Florida visiting my daughter when she lived there, we visited the Celtic Ray, a must see. I had not only a few Guinness's but also a Guinness Stew! Yeah...I was pretty close to being in heaven.
Bob23
It appears that Hermine has helped give the new owner of No Mas a good first sail with 20kt plus winds. Smile on his face with Main and Genoa out full with her hull catching the water on fire. You go girl!
Quote from: Mas on November 05, 2015, 06:01:04 PM
Well first time back sailing after 25 years! We are excited and hope to meet other Compac owners in our area. (Deltaville, Topping, Va.) We cut our teeth on a Compac 16 with no electronics. lights, plumbing, wenches (no lady's would volunteer), or motor (my wife insisted we get one after a close call sailing into dock in 15knot wind without one!). We are now the new owners of a CP23D "No Mas". She has sailed Lake Superior, Alaska, Sea of Crotez and most recently Gulf of Mexico. The pervious owners had done many upgrades and she is truly a proper little yacht. Currently she is on her trailer (Late fall 2015),getting winterized, engine flushed and oil changed, some small maitenance items (that grew larger)and new bottom paint this spring (2016) before she goes into her slip and the adventures begin!
Coming up on the first anniversary of splashing our first sailboat in 25 years at this time. Thanks to all for a family that just appeared. Quite a journey it has been, with No Mas now in a new home and other boats now with us. Who woulda thunk?
peace,
Rick and Susan
Congratulations! Will you have your 16 at CBMSG 2.0?
Thanks Bob, You bet Mas will be there! We love that lil 16. We take her out every time we are down, though this season she will be having to share a little more time with her big sister. Unless you come down before, you will see Mas when she arrives for BBB.
How ironic a thread can have it's topic be suitable twice. Hope we hear from No Mas this year. It's getting to be the sailing season up there in N.E.
Where did No Mas go?
I'll try to link up with the new owner.
The other Susan in NH.
we may have seen her in Seward, Alaska a couple of years ago and i may have a pic
Hey there Susan the Other, here is a link to the coming out of the new owner of No Mas on the forum last September. I do know he was in the middle of a move recently, but still up that direction. There is also a young lady up there somewhere, dang if I can't remember who or where, but regardless she had a 23 also. Have you ever considered a 16 in lieu of a SunCat? Bunch of them out there and less expensive, and oh so simple to rig and sail. Meanwhile will keep my ear to the ground for ya on a Cat.
http://cpyoa.geekworkshosting.com/forum/index.php?topic=9731.0
Hello Kick, No Mas was in Alaska for awhile with a previous owner but if only a couple years ago probably not her. She went to Baja after Alaska, then Florida and the Gulf for the next 4 years after that and up with us for only a year starting fall of 2015. We do hope the current owner will find an owner for her in the Great Lakes if he sells her, that way she can finish her circumnavigation of North America! She started her life on the water in 1990 on Lake Michigan>Alaska>Baja>Gulf>Chesapeake>Maine>? Mas our little CP16 we got last fall on the other hand, never really left central Virginia and a couple lakes there. She sat unused in a garage for almost 20 years before we got her. She is used now!
Hi Rick,
I haven't really thought of other Com-Pac boats .
The SunCat and Horizon Cat really caught my eye.
Being a New Englander, the catboat design catches my heart.
Thanks for keeping your eye out for one for me.
I appreciate it.
Susan, the other.
I like Guinness too.
Good Morning Susan. Well now i've said that twice today already! I hear ya on the Catboat look. Half my family is from Cape Cod and the traditional look for boats, as you can tell from our choices, sticks pretty hard with us. Our first boat was a CP16 so they have a soft spot there and are such capable craft as are the Cats. I've included a link to a fella named Keith Scott and his sailboat company down in North Carolina. He will forget more about sailing small craft than i will ever learn. He is a Compac dealer as well as does much custom work. Spend some time browsing through his site. Much to learn there.
http://www.sailboatrichlands.com
I do hope that you will find your way down to "The Bay" sometime and especially for CBMSG so you can put faces to some of the great folks here. You may have already figured this, but it is quite interesting that you develop a relationship because of a boat and then feel you have known them forever. Our little boat "Mas"
Hi Rick,
I have already touched base with Keith. He told me to send pictures of any SunCat that I'm looking at and he will tell me all he knows about that boat. I like that!
Not sure I can make the get together in August but I will venture to the Bay hopefully in Sept when I have not one but 2 weekends off. Feast or famine.
And yes I would love to match the names ( or rather the beers) to the faces. You all are a hoot.
Susan, the other.
Hopefully we will hear from No Mas N.E. soon but know it's still kinda cool up there! Mas has however now been taken down to water and baptized for this season! She is also sporting a new rudder.
It's freezing here in NH. Okay well maybe 50 degrees.
Quote from: Sunapee Sailing on May 12, 2017, 12:13:44 PM
It's freezing here in NH. Okay well maybe 50 degrees.
Don't wanna hear about it! It has been stuck in the low 50's today with rain, yuck. Gunna hit near 90 next week, go figure? As soon as this weather breaks we are going out. It's mid May for crying out loud and the middle of our sailing season here. Don't fret Susan it'll be warm soon enough there and in August we will be wondering why we are not up there instead of talking you down here! Oh...that's right it's CBMSG time then. :)
You out there No Mas N.E.?!
I don't know, Rick. If you want to be a sailor, you get used to any kind of weather.....just keep that new bimini up and avoid most of the slop. I turned around in the empty slip by yours today, and your boat was deserted- it was cold and raining, but I was warm and dry with the heater on in the Tug!! I think that Susan the First might like comfortable boating......
In this rainy weather today here in NJ, I feel the tug on my heart to row. Love being in wild weather! One of the most memorable sails aboard Koinonia last summer was during 30+ north winds. Double reef in the main, 1/2 furled headsail, never felt unsafe and the spray on my face was marvelous!!
Bob23
Quote from: peterg on May 13, 2017, 05:05:00 PM
I don't know, Rick. If you want to be a sailor, you get used to any kind of weather.....just keep that new bimini up and avoid most of the slop. I turned around in the empty slip by yours today, and your boat was deserted- it was cold and raining, but I was warm and dry with the heater on in the Tug!! I think that Susan the First might like comfortable boating......
Sorry boys, gentlemen sailors don't do no stinkin weather! Well actually retired sailors go sailing mid week which is why you will seldom see us there on a weekend! We were at a gathering up here on that same said dreary day down there. Had actually been down earlier that week and brought Mas and took her out. Was down again this week and just got back home again this evening and was out sailing every day down there over the past four days. Tuesday was Mas's first reef sail with it capping out there. Today was Goldilocks weather but could only manage a morning sail before heading home to play our Thursday's music sessions here. Boy was it hot Wednesday though. Spent a two hour lunch break sitting in waist deep water sipping on a cold one (Mountain Culture Kombucha) till the wind picked up, then it was off to the races. Literally was heading under the Norris bridge with a Precision 23 and beat her there. I did have the better tack and my new Ida rudder :)
Sails are finally done for Interlude and they go on next week (actually they were ready last week and coulda gone on this week but Monday got down too late, Tuesday was too windy, yesterday too hot and today not enough time but mostly wanted to spend my days sailing!). Wanna go sailing before you think sheets are only for beds!!!!? Generally the boats see us Monday through Thursday and then it's home for the weekend. A little heads up for this weekend's weather, we are going to a music festival that we always refer to as happening the third rainy weekend in May (been at this one for over 35 years). Just remember i warned you about planning any outdoor activities! See you soon.
BTW: Pedro the center span of the Norris bridge has major construction overhead and lots of sparks flying. Came back through the bridge under the next span to the north where it is clear overhead. Oh, and i intend to keep Susan the first, from any trawlers or tugs!
Weathers warming up here in the north.
Just bought a used 4 Runner and sold my camper in Maine.
Come on....SunCat!
Susan the Second
Quote from: Sunapee Sailing on May 20, 2017, 07:32:28 AM
Weathers warming up here in the north.
Just bought a used 4 Runner and sold my camper in Maine.
Come on....SunCat!
Susan the Second
Yay! one more step to
sunny day, sailing
Sunapee Lake,
Sun Cat sails (oops meant sail!) filled, a
sunny disposition on except not n a
Sunday! Are we seeing a pattern here!
Good for you Susan the second, Susan the first sends well wishes on this
Sunday!
Well, it was 2 years ago today we decided to get another sailboat and return to sailing after a 25 yr. (at that time) hiatus from sailing. No Mas is no more in our lives as she is with a new owner for more adventures. Mas is now our CP16 and Interlude our PSC31. We are sooooo......grateful for the many friends and folks that have made our return so fulfilling. We are very grateful.
Fair winds to all,
Rick and Susan
Oh....it is also our 38th wedding anniversary. :)
Happy anniversary to you both! Hopefully in the future we'll be able to sail together...maybe next summer when you host the 1st annual CBMSG aboard Interlude!! Oh, you didn't know about this, you say? Chesapeake Bay Mid Summer Gathering.
Rick and Susan,
Happy anniversory. I am in Atlanta to spend anniversory with wife during her deployment with FEMA.
We have only made it to 12years.
All the best
At the risk of being redundant, Congratulations on the first leg of the bonds of matrimony, Rick and Susan,. And Brian, you just listen to your admirals commands and reply to her with the magic words "Aye, aye, ma'am", and you'll have 26 more years under the belt in no time.
TG
Congrats Rick and Susan! On both milestones. In a few months we'll be coming up on 49 and we wouldn't have it any other way.
Ahoy, friends!
I am writing to let you know that No Mas, as of mid-June, will find her new home with me, here, in the Midwest! To say that I am over-the-moon tickled pink is a total understatement!!! I can barely contain my excitement!!!
Currently, No Mas is in New Hampshire with her steward and fellow CPYOA member, 'No Mas New England.' I am having No Mas professionally hauled to me where I will ready her for splashing at the inland lake where I currently sail, SV Sunflower (Sunny), my Com-Pac Legacy.
If you've been following along the journey of No Mas with her various owners over the years on this forum, you will recall many hope for her next owner (that will be me!) to bring her full-circle back to the Great Lakes area. My wish is that, one day, to trailer her up to Bayfield, WI and sail the Apostle Islands with her -- thus, completing her full-circle journey to the Great Lakes -- and bringing me full-circle to the Apostle Islands where I used to sail with my family, each summer, growing up. It will be quite the emotional experience, for sure, for me and for No Mas!
I hope that this finds you all safe, healthy, and enjoying fair winds and following seas, friends!
~ Chelle
SV Sunflower (Sunny) | 2021 Com-Pac Legacy
Soon to be the new steward of No Mas | 1990 Com-Pac 23D MK III
https://sailawaywithchelle.wordpress.com (https://sailawaywithchelle.wordpress.com)
And what shall become of Sunny? Congratulations Chelle! The 23 is a fine yacht and although mine is not a diesel, she's a fine boat! Looking forward to more posts from you!
Bob23
Quote from: Seachelle on May 10, 2022, 01:29:44 PM
Ahoy, friends!
I am writing to let you know that No Mas, as of mid-June, will find her new home with me, here, in the Midwest! To say that I am over-the-moon tickled pink is a total understatement!!! I can barely contain my excitement!!!
Currently, No Mas is in New Hampshire with her steward and fellow CPYOA member, 'No Mas New England.' I am having No Mas professionally hauled to me where I will ready her for splashing at the inland lake where I currently sail, SV Sunflower (Sunny), my Com-Pac Legacy.
If you've been following along the journey of No Mas with her various owners over the years on this forum, you will recall many hope for her next owner (that will be me!) to bring her full-circle back to the Great Lakes area. My wish is that, one day, to trailer her up to Bayfield, WI and sail the Apostle Islands with her -- thus, completing her full-circle journey to the Great Lakes -- and bringing me full-circle to the Apostle Islands where I used to sail with my family, each summer, growing up. It will be quite the emotional experience, for sure, for me and for No Mas!
I hope that this finds you all safe, healthy, and enjoying fair winds and following seas, friends!
~ Chelle
SV Sunflower (Sunny) | 2021 Com-Pac Legacy
Soon to be the new steward of No Mas | 1990 Com-Pac 23D MK III
https://sailawaywithchelle.wordpress.com (https://sailawaywithchelle.wordpress.com)
Wow, a blast from the past! Congrats Chelle. We only had No Mas for a year but was impressed how well she sailed with that diesel down below. It would be grand to have her circumnavigation of North America finally complete! Attached a pic of her in her slip on the bay right before she moved to New England. (oops forgot that since this forum went to the new server I can't post any pics)
This is so cool - congrats - welcome to the 23 club - the best of the Compac boats - ok I may be a little biased 😀😀😀😀😀😀
Congrats Chelle!
Seems to me that No Mas is Inappropriately Named. Should be Si, Mas!
Congratulations on your new boat!You will love her.I owned a 23 back in the 90s and still miss her.Hoping. to launch my new to me Eclipse next week,was needing more tlc then i realised.
Thank you so much, everyone, for your thoughtful and kind replies!!! I am absolutely thrilled to be No Mas!' next steward! I wrote to Gerry at Com-Pac to let him know about purchasing her and he was so funny -- his reply to me (in addition to his congratulatory wishes) -- was "It is a great boat but A LOT bigger than Sunny." (Sunny is my Com-Pac Legacy!) :D :D :D I will have a lot to learn with No Mas!, but that is all part of the fun -- and the sailor's journey! Stay tuned for future stories of my travels with No Mas! on my sailing blog at https://sailawaywithchelle.wordpress.com (https://sailawaywithchelle.wordpress.com)!
Fair winds!!!
~ Chelle
I hear you Chelle. After so many years of sailing our Compac 19, I feel uneasy every time I pull the 30' boat out of its slip. Fortunately, the sailing waters here are so large I can stay on the same tack most of the day. So far I've only been able to pull her into the slip 3 times without incident. The wind always seems to increase while entering.
You'll get the hang of the 23 and soon it will.become routine.
Don't forget the obligatory pics for your 1st launch!
Quote from: crazycarl on May 14, 2022, 06:57:54 PM
I hear you Chelle. After so many years of sailing our Compac 19, I feel uneasy every time I pull the 30' boat out of its slip. Fortunately, the sailing waters here are so large I can stay on the same tack most of the day. So far I've only been able to pull her into the slip 3 times without incident. The wind always seems to increase while entering.
You'll get the hang of the 23 and soon it will.become routine.
Don't forget the obligatory pics for your 1st launch!
I'll definitely take pics and share her first launch with me! I am SO excited -- I can barely contain myself! Her arrival/delivery date cannot come soon enough! And I can't wait to get out on the water with her!!!
When we switched from a CP-16 to a CP-23, I thought the 23 was much easier to sail, no learning curve involved.
Quote from: Al on May 17, 2022, 07:42:10 PM
When we switched from a CP-16 to a CP-23, I thought the 23 was much easier to sail, no learning curve involved.
Hey, Al! Thanks for your feedback -- I am happy to see your impressions re: making the switch from the 16 up to the 23! I am super pumped up to get out on the water with my new-to-me Com-Pac 23! ~ Chelle
Chelle! You will love your 23! I've never sailed a 16 but with triple the displacement, the 23 is very confidence building. And very forgiving too! One thing I've learned in my 14 years is that she doesn't like to be over canvassed. It sounds conservative but mine likes to have her 1st reef tied in at about 15 knots. That being said, I've been out in 30 knots of wind with both reefs taken in on the mainsail, and only about a third of the headsail showing. She was stable, safe, wet and very fun!!
Bob23
Agree with Bob (did I actually type that?) on the early reef. During the Winter and Spring I usually just leave it in and only shake it out if conditions warrant. Your Legacy would have sailed a little flatter than the older hull form of the 23, don't let those quick rolls in gusts alarm you it fetches up tight well before you can put the lee rail awash. High ultimate stability they call it, but low initial stability.
Brack is right! Oh dear, am I detecting a trend here? On your 23, don't panic when you're hit with a gust, she'll round up but it's a good reminder to keep your hand on the tiller!
Bob23
Quote from: brackish on May 29, 2022, 06:02:43 PM
Agree with Bob (did I actually type that?) on the early reef. During the Winter and Spring I usually just leave it in and only shake it out if conditions warrant. Your Legacy would have sailed a little flatter than the older hull form of the 23, don't let those quick rolls in gusts alarm you it fetches up tight well before you can put the lee rail awash. High ultimate stability they call it, but low initial stability.
Clark Mills designed first the CP16 then the 23 complete with all of their wonderful compound curves. They both, as a result, sail much the same, though clearly any smaller craft will teach you the error of your ways before a larger version of the same craft. In my White Water paddling days the most responsive boats had less initial stability but solid secondary stability. You kept your paddle in the water or paid the price! Clark Mills' design require the same attention with a hand on the tiller. The CP19 had a different hull design by Robert Johnson with a flatter bottom thus greater initial stability but less secondary. Our WIB Crealock designed Pacific Seacraft has much the same stability curve as the Clark Mills designs while an Island Packet, also a Robert Johnson design, has similar characteristics as the CP19. Many like the static stability of the flatter bottoms while many prefer the dynamic stability of the Crealock or Mills designs. All great boats just different!
You will find that No Mas will behave a little different from other 23's just because the weight hanging off of the stern with an outboard is gone and now more centered and low with her diesel. also with her custom fuel tank and system you will be able to motor for days though her ridiculously low diesel hours speak to her sailing not motoring characteristics. It was my hope that she could complete her North American circumnavigation. So glad you may achieve that!. Now the downside....as all of us previous owners can attest,..her unique features highlight the similar features of a larger craft with such! jus sayn! Congrats again Chelle, but you have been warned!????
Can you expand on the downside - I?m not understanding - I have a 23 and it does feel like my16 on steroids 😝😝😝😝😝😝😝
Quote from: Ken J on June 01, 2022, 03:40:29 PM
Can you expand on the downside - I?m not understanding - I have a 23 and it does feel like my16 on steroids ????????????????????????????
The downside is getting an even larger boat! All of the previous owners of No Mas sold her to get an even larger boat! A perfect stepping stone to a cruising vessel.
Ah ok got it - sorry a bit slow on the take 😂 in my lake it?s about the largest I can handle in mast up storage - if I did in water storage I would be looking for a larger boat myself - slips have a 2-3 waiting list where I am and are really expensive
I've always thought that the 23 is a big boat that thinks it's small... or a small boat that thinks it's big! A boat with a sort of identity crisis!
Very stout, rigged very strong for it's size and super versatile. Maybe I'm the oddball here but I've no desire to go bigger; if anything, I'd downsize to a simpler boat that I can camp cruise it. But that's just me!
Chelle: You will love your 23! For standing headroom, just step out into the roomy cockpit! That's what I do. Sleeping aboard there is tons of room down below but I prefer open air sleeping in the cockpit to being crammed up in the cabin.
Cheers!
Bob23
Thank you, everyone, for sharing your feedback and support! As my Legacy is very scaled-down, comparatively speaking, to No Mas!, I am feeling anxious about learning her various systems. I've never had a diesel engine, though I remember the one we had aboard our Shipman Accent 26 decades ago. I remember, on occasion, my father having to hand-crank the engine to get it to start. He reminded me, however, that this had to do with the electrical system failing to connect in order to keep the battery charged to turn the engine over. At least I think that is what he told me. :-D Anyhow, I follow a few YouTuber sailors -- WindHippie, Sam Holmes, and Wilderness of Waves -- it seems one of them is always having to finagle something or other with the engine. They strike me (the Diesel engines) as temperamental, but then again I read all day long about how reliable they are, too. Guess I need to just make sure that I have Nigel Calder's book onboard! We don't have a marine/diesel technicial at our marina, so that makes me a bit jumpy in the event something needs tending to which surpasses my skill level. Of course, I do remind myself that I have a sailboat, so engine not necessary (Didn't the Pardeys sail without one on their circumnavigations?), but I get a bit edgy worrying about the possibility of not having engine power in a pickle.
Truth be told, in full disclosure, I was really looking for just a basic Com-Pac 23 model for daysailing on an inland lake -- one with limited thru-hulls, e.g., for cockpit scuppers like on my Legacy, one with an outboard, one with no galley. Now I've got myself a boat suitable for coastal cruising! I feel like I'm in over my head, but I tell myself that this is a boat that I can grow into.
And to top it off, in a case of absolutely bizarre timing, two days AFTER I made the deposit on No Mas!, a Com-Pac 23 meeting all my criterial came up for sale TWENTY minutes from where I live! This is unheard of -- I have never seen a Com-Pac for sale in my state, and they're practically zil-cho of them for sale in the Midwest, and then -- lo and behold -- here is a Com-Pac 23 practically down the road from my house!
Well, of course I had to go look at the boat, despite having made the deposit on No Mas!; this, as I wanted to see a Com-Pac 23 up close and personal as I'd never seen one in person before until that time. The boat was way scaled-down from No Mas!, older (from 1983), but man, she was in great shape and I could have literally hooked her up to my truck and driven her home that day...
...but I didn't! What I did learn, most importantly, seeing that boat near me is that the Com-Pac 23 is the right boat for me! Being there, in person, to see one totally solidified that I made the right choice!
So, there will be a great learning curve for me with No Mas!, and as many of you have noted, she is a vessel that has 'big boat' features, so I am looking at this, again, as an opportunity to spread my wings and expand my horizons as a sailor, step outside of my comfort zone, and along the journey -- don't take myself too seriously and have fun as I stumble my way around learning all I can aboard No Mas! -- I am glad to hear that many of you have referred to her as a forgiving boat -- I am gonna be asking for a lot of forgiveness from her, I'm sure, as I make mistakes!
Thanks, again, everyone -- and btw, she is going to be arriving early next week -- and her prior owner made me a ton of little videos describing her systems, the engine, etc -- so I have great resources in that capacity as well!
Fair winds!