Hi everyone, I am supposed to pick this boat up next week, and I am wondering if I am getting a good deal or not. I know that at least one other person on this site has looked at this boat in person. I dug up the post while researching the boat. Any and all information on what to look for when inspecting this particular boat is welcome. The owner is 75 years old, still very active, and not negotiable on price. Original asking price was about $20,000 over a year ago, and has been reduced to $7,000.
Here is the history of the boat as I understand it. The boats name is Appledore and she is a 1993 Compac 23d. The first owner was located in the midwest in either Ohio or Indiana. The current owner bought the boat around 2000 at which time he also purchased a new performance trailer. The boat was last used in 2008, and has been stored on the trailer since. From 2000 to 2008 the boat was used in salt water on the east coast. The trailer was only used twice per season to transport the boat. The boat is pretty much stock and unmolested. All equipment is original. Here is a short list of items on the boat:
roller furler, bimini top, screens for all hatches and ports, whisker pole, danforth anchor, shore power cord, 1 new battery
The boat has pedestal steering from the factory, and backup tiller.
Sails are original and in good shape but owners says main has some stains.
The engine is a yanmar 1gm10. The owner says it starts easily and runs good. I forgot to ask about engine hours
The prop and shaft appear ok but fiberglass around the tube may or may not need some work
The exterior teak needs some work.
At some point while the boat was being used, the owner said bilge pump quit working and rainwater got over the cabin sole. He says it is still solid but stained.
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-Chris
In my view, if the diesel is actually in good shape and the trailer is in good shape, and there is no water intrusion in the keel it is a steal. Most everything on the boat itself can be upgraded/repaired. Even if you had to replace the cutlass bearing and shaft seal it is still a very good deal.
I hope it's a good deal. I have to drive 1100 miles one way to pick it up. I am really buying it sight unseen, just pictures to go on. The owner says the trailer is pretty much new only 100-150 miles on it, and no cracks or dry rot on the tires. I am still going to take at least 2 spares with me. I am a pretty good mechanic, but any specific things to look for on the engine? I know about the oil lines and exhaust. Is it ok to run the engine on the trailer with the water intake in a bucket of water? I know I can't put in gear because no water to lube the shaft, but running the engine should be fine right?
Thanks
Chris
Water intrusion in the keel? How do I check that?
Looks like a decent to good deal, depending on the motor/cutlass condition and the cushions/sails. Also, it's only a deal if you actually want the diesel. If you're not set on the diesel you check out this 23 while you're in the neighborhood too:
http://sailingtexas.com/201401/scompac23135.html
For comparison, here is a 23D that sold earlier this year in FL for $7,500, which didn't have a trailer, but also probably wasn't flooded.
http://sailingtexas.com/201401/scompac23134.html
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Hi Nate, thanks for the links. I have seen both of those before. I would like to know if the 23d that sold for 7500 is the norm, or an exception. I know it doesn't have a trailer, but it looks like it was in good condition. I would prefer the diesel over the outboard. My wife and I will use the boat to cruise on for 1-2 months during the summers. Mainly in northern lake michigan where short steep waves make an outboard marginal sometimes. Plus the extra charging ability is nice.
Chris,
I own a 1991 23D. I bought mine for more money and the boat was in very good condition. I did put about $1,000 into the trailer before hauling the boat. Cosmetically, it was much cleaner and had a Ham radio, depth finder, GPS, VHF marine radio, two battery banks, etc. I did not have an opportunity run the Yanmar diesel before the purchase but I drained the tank and put clean fuel in before starting. Mine does not have a Hobbs meter, but the engine was spotless and started immediately. Seems like a lot of boat for the money if you are looking for a diesel. I don't see how buying that boat could be a mistake unless it is the wrong boat for your intended use.
Don
CP23D - Luna
the problem with asking if this is a good deal, is that everyone has different opinions as to what a good deal is.
some people aren't willing to drive 1100 miles, or to do a little work on a boat. others are looking for that once in a lifetime deal.
figure the gas and hotel into the price of the boat and if you're still interested in the boat, and you are happy with price, then go for it.
ultimately, you're the one investing the cash and time. if you're happy, that's all that matters.
cc
Quote from: cw021382 on October 21, 2014, 12:46:31 PM
Hi Nate, thanks for the links. I have seen both of those before. I would like to know if the 23d that sold for 7500 is the norm, or an exception. I know it doesn't have a trailer, but it looks like it was in good condition. I would prefer the diesel over the outboard. My wife and I will use the boat to cruise on for 1-2 months during the summers. Mainly in northern lake michigan where short steep waves make an outboard marginal sometimes. Plus the extra charging ability is nice.
$7,500 for that FL boat was on the low side. But my point was, if you're willing to wait, you might find a better value. If you enjoy working on boats and have the free time, then it could be a good deal if there aren't any serious problems with it. But for $9,000 to $12,000 you can get an outboard model in very good condition with a lot of upgrades. I do understand the attraction to the diesel for choppy water though.
I agree with Carl.
Here's my take on things.
This boat has a diesel and wheel steering..both are somewhat rare and desirable to many. If you really want them, your choices are few and far between. There were about 30 CP23's with diesels, or thereabouts, made.
Do not worry about the cosmetics. Teak can be sanded and re-varnished. Fiberglass can be wet-sanded and buffed out. Bottom can be sanded and repainting. Interior wood can be refinished, and any failing paint in the engine bay can be repainted.
And never forget: ALL USED BOATS NEED WORK! You can't avoid this 99% of the time. It looks to be in pretty nice condition once you apply some elbow grease.
What you are looking for is simple. You want solid. You want the deck to feel solid underfoot. You want dry interior wood and a good running engine. You want rigging that is solid, straight and reliable. You want a trailer that will get you down the road safely. Being a diesel, you'll have some seepage through the shaft, so if everything looks dry except for the bilge...that's a good sign.
IMO $7500 is a steal for the boat provided it's solid, the engine sings nicely, and wheel steering is in good working order. However if the diesel won't start..well, it might be a $.20 fix or might be $5K to fix. Plus the trailer is worth at least $3K, probably more.
My vote is to do your due diligence when you arrive to see it...check it thoroughly, look for solid, smell for mold (which is a sign there were unchecked leaks and possible hidden damage, not to mention it's very difficult to clean up and not have mold come back).
Like any major purchase, let your head make the decision, not your heart. But yes, $7500 seems like a good deal even it does need some elbow grease to pretty it up.
Quote from: cw021382 on October 21, 2014, 11:24:53 AM
Water intrusion in the keel? How do I check that?
Look the keel over carefully to make sure there are no points that are weeping water out. If you can lift the sole you can check it from the inside. I would be a little concerned about how the water got in high enough to get out of the bilge compartment and over the sole with just rain water. You might want to discuss that with the current owner. My boat stays in the water all the time, has withstood very significant rain storms, and my main worry is the bilge pumps dry rotting from lack of use. I've never had a drop in the bilge other than what I put in there to test the pumps. However, I don't have an inboard shaft.
I would think the water more likely came in through the shaft seal that was improperly packed and set. In fact, I would be happy to learn that was the case as it is an easy fix.
Brackish,
Regarding your comment -
QuoteIn fact, I would be happy to learn that was the case as it is an easy fix.
...... I have not had a problem with my shaft stuffing box but I cannot see any obvious way to access it for service. I am wondering whether it has a dripless shaft log installed. Do you have any experience with these installations in the 23D?
Don
CP23D - Luna
Quote from: Sedona Don on October 21, 2014, 05:20:23 PM
Brackish,
Regarding your comment - ...... I have not had a problem with my shaft stuffing box but I cannot see any obvious way to access it for service. I am wondering whether it has a dripless shaft log installed. Do you have any experience with these installations in the 23D?
Don
CP23D - Luna
No experience with a 23 but plenty with other boats. A standard stuffing box has a tensioning nut that is adjusted with spanner wrenches. The repacking is done when the boat is out of the water. Modern packing material is made from graphite impregnated Teflon and will last a long time unlike the old hemp packing. Once it is packed you tighten the nut until you have a drip a minute when the motor is running. It will usually stop dripping after it is shut down. Too loose and too much water comes in. Too tight and you wear the shaft from heat. I don't have any experience with dripless but if you can't find any hex nut at the end of the packing gland, you probably have one.
You might call Hutchins to see what they were using OEM, although some folks replaced their adjustable for dripless.
The hardest part of the job on my other boats was getting past the motor to access the box. On my 8.7 I had to lay on top of the motor. I've not seen a 23 but suspect it may be tight to get too.
here's one to compare...
http://www.sailboatlistings.com/view/46394 (http://www.sailboatlistings.com/view/46394)
No doubt about it, great buy. Atta boy.
regards charlie
This is a good deal....I'll give you $7500 for it.
BobK
Hi, Carl I have seen that listing. The boat is close to me, but just does not tick the boxes. If I was going to buy an outboard powered 23 I would buy the one Shawn has listed on here. It seems well outfitted, and Shawn talks like a really nice guy. I have spoke on the phone with him, and he sent me a lot of pictures of the boat.
For me Appledore is a good fit if she is basically sound and the engine is good. Did any of the 23d's of this vintage have digital hour meters for the engine?
The owner is holding her for me thru next week. I will be up there on Wed. and unless the engine doesn't run, or the boat has some catastrophic defect, I am going to buy it. I have seen only 2 other 23d's actively for sale. One is in Wisconsin for $15,900, and the other was $13,500 but I forget where it was. I figure if I can stay under $12,000 total for purchase, repair, and upgrades I will still be fine. Like someone posted above all boats are works in progress, and it's likely any 23d I buy will need something. Driving is not an issue. I have a late model King Ranch F250 diesel that drives like a car, and I like seeing new country.
I will take pictures and post them up on the way if I buy the boat. Thanks for the encouragement guys
Chris
Hi everyone sorry I haven't kept you updated. I have had a very busy week. I am now the proud new owner of a compac 23d. I will post some pictures soon. I think I have hull number 393, as those are the last 3 numbers of the hull id. The boat is in really good shape, and the engine starts and runs perfect. It starts instantly and never smokes either cold or warm. The trailer is perfect also. It's never been in the water, and it was only used 8 seasons to haul boat to and from the marina 10 miles away. It even has disc brakes. The owner had all of the original paperwork and manuals, orginal tool kit for the engine including hand crank, and orginal build sheet and receipt for the trailer which was new in 2000. Thanks for all your help. I know I got a good deal and I am very happy with the boat. I will start a new thread on the boat and getting it in shape.
Chris:
As a 23 owner let me congratulate you on your purchase of a fine yacht and a great deal. I do confess to a bit of envy but I thoroughly love my 1985 23/2 outboard powered yacht. We're looking forward to your future posts about your adventures with Appledore.
In addition, I hereby nominate you for the 1st ever Amateur Photo Posting award! :)
Bob23
Congratulations.
The 23D looks like a nice boat. Having the diesel engine should give you a better boat for longer cruises, if that is what you are looking for. You also have a better way to charge batteries as you can get a real alternator on it.
Enjoy the boat!
As promised here are the pictures. They were taken with my iphone, and the interior pics were taken after dark so they aren't the best. I didn't get many of the trip because I was so busy. I drove 2300 miles in 3 days and one of those days was spent prepping the boat and trailer for the trip. I want to thank the previous owner of Appledore and his wife for their hospitality. They treated me like family and even provided lunch and an escort to the interstate. Thanks for the nomination Bob. I am not a photographer by any means, but I will do my best. In the pictures note the side access panels for the engine. There is great access which I have already had to use. I had to bleed the fuel system when I got the boat home because I disconnected the tank for the trip. The only trouble I had during the trip was a blown intercooler boot clamp on the way back. It happened about halfway across PA on I80 shortly after dark. I used a couple of regular hose clamps and they held up for the rest of the trip. I also noticed when I got home that both rear trailer wheels now have blown inner seals. Overall the trip went amazingly smooth and relaxed.
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Keep an eye on the 23 forum if you are interested in the cleanup and upgrading of Appledore. A new boat name will be the first order of business I believe.
Chris
NICE!!! Congratulations on your purchase.
Great Boat...Good Buy...Welcome to the "Clan!"
BobL
You made a fantastic purchase for both the boat and the purchase price. The 23 is a fun-stable boat to sail and should provide for a lot of good memories. Welcome to the association.
BobK
Is this a good time to tell Chris about the initiation fees? Before he starts spending $$ on his 23?
Bob23
I thought that the initiation was hard labor....like painting a bunch of bottom painting for senior members on this board.
We could arrange for Chris to sand, scrape and paint at least 6 bottoms. But, he saved so much $ on the deal that he may just prefer to pay in cash. :)
Welcome to the family.
Bob23
Wait....Bob......We are all sailors! He could pay in RUM!
Who are we to deny grog rations. It is a centuries old sailing tradition!
Heave:
You are correct. Chris, you are hereby given the choice of sanding and painting the bottoms of all the mods boats or a 1 year supply of the rum of choice (mine is Newfys, Goslings, Pussers or Kraken- or all 4) Hey, we're all family here, right?
Bob23
Thanks for the warm welcome guys. I think I will supply the rum. As nice as you guys are, I am sure you would share it with me. I might be poorer for it, but at least I would be happy doing it. I have never been happy doing a bottom job on a boat. Necessary evil I suppose. I can't wait to sail the new boat. The weather is going to turn nasty real soon, but there are a number of things I have to address before I can safely sail her. Are you guys still sailing or are you done for the season? Here in mid Missouri it's getting cold at night, but the days are gorgeous. I have got the engine squared away. I needed a new fuel tank, and I had to tighten the fitting on the water intake thru hull. I went over the engine and tightened all the clamps and checked for leaks. The impeller is fine for now, but I have a spare and gasket for next spring. I had the main and genoa up today. They are somewhat tired, but I will probably buy new ones over the winter. My biggest problem right now is cleaning the bilge and ridding the cabin of the smell of diesel. I have to replace the forward hatch as it is cracked and leaks, but I calked it with silicone for now. The ports don't leak. I have a leak on the hull to deck joint on the starboard side that needs addressing.
Wait a second... This is all starting to sound like work! Nah, it's a labor of love. I am sure I am going to need a few drinks before I get her in shape though.
Oh God...Not the diesel smell. That was the biggest complaint from my wife about my Catalina 30. She swore that everything in the boat smelled like the boat when it came to the house. I would do every trick in the book and she still swore that the smell was there.
On cleaning the bilge....dawn dish soap works great. It will clean out a bilge and it is not hard on anything (they use it to take oil off of animals caught in oil spills).
Here is the sad part......No matter what you do you will always have something going into your bilge with diesel. You can properly tighten everything and put a new fuel tank in the boat but, somehow, you will get minute traces of diesel in there. Cleaning out regularly is the best thing I can tell you to do to help this.
One thing you may check is the alignment on your shaft. Make sure that that is correct because that will save you a lot of grief if it is right.
Always carry a spare impeller and gasket. Carry a few plugs for your through hulls. Carry a spare oil filter and fuel filter. I use to use Racor R24S filters on my Catalina 30 and if they get cruddy then you loose RPMs quick. If you are getting a new fuel tank that will help because stuff will build up in your fuel tank overtime.
I did use a biocide in the fuel. There are a lot of them out there. http://www.westmarine.com/buy/valvtect--bioguard-fuel-micro-biocide-16-oz--255739 is what I use to use with some success.
Another cool trick was that I use to use injector cleaner to fill up my fuel filter when changing it. I use to get enough diesel to fill it up but found out through other owners and on another forum about the trick of using the injector cleaner. It gives your engine a good shot when you start it and then mixes into the system.
One other thing to remember.....any smell in the cabin gets stuck in the cushion foam. Yep...learned that the hard way when I had some issues in my Catalina 30. What you can do is take the foam out of the cushion covers, wash the covers, and then spray your cushions down with bleach and water and leave them in the sun for a long time for them to dry. I then sprayed Fabreeze on them and let them dry again. It helps.
Wipe down the hard surfaces of your boat with stuff too.
If you intend to finish woodwork this would be a good time. That helps with any odors trapped in the wood if you wipe it down with bleach and water, sand it, and then finish it again. Again, I had this issue in my previous boat and I did this.
Last thing I will highly suggest is to change out all of the hoses in your marine head system and make sure your holding tank is good. This is the source of a lot of smell in a boat. Change out the hoses (especially the holding tank vent hose). Old hoses will allow the smell to escape them and it causes a stink. This stink may even be easily confused with a diesel smell. Don't skimp on hoses either! Get good stuff and your nose will thank you (especially since you are sleeping over the head).
Chris:
It really is a labor of love and the 23's are such wonderful boats that they deserve the best. You really have a unique 23 there so treat her right and she'll love you for it. The trick with diesel smell...is to learn to like it! Ah- that wonderful aroma of diesel fuel!
It seems like Heave has been down this road before so take his advice. After reading all this, I'm glad to have an outboard and porta-potti.
Keep us posted, Chris. There is a wealth of knowledge based on millions of collective years of experience here at the forum and we look forward to your contributions.
Bob23...still sailing.
After cleaning the bilges as described above, Order and use this:
http://www.biocidesystems.com/eliminate-boat-odors.php (http://www.biocidesystems.com/eliminate-boat-odors.php)
Works every time, and gets the odors our of the cushions as well.
Added benefit: Kills all the mold and mildew and any Bacteria and viruses left behind by the PO.
Regards, TG
Yo! Bobby twunnytree, Yous know yous was to collect my take from deez two new chumps named Chris (AKA: cw021382 & wvcd) ! I should have a coupla limbs bent on ya.
TG
Tim,
Do you use the marine shocker or the liquid shocker? This looks like a great product.
BobK
I use the marine shocker, But I use many of the products in my business.
Hey, that initiation fee thing used to work when the image of the Joisy Mafia wise guys caused all newbies to quake in fear. But when they found out that this is the collection committee, that was the end of that.:)
Welcome to the fold Chris!
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You mean, we don't look intimidating? "3 old salts in a tub- pre dunking"
Looks like you guys were sampling the days collections. The boat smells much better today. Thanks for the link Tim. I will probably get some.
I built a support for the mast today, that fits in the tabernacle for traveling. It's not real pretty, but I will get a picture of it. The pedestal guard is in the way so I have to off center the mast. I took the boat to a small local lake today to check for any leaks. I have to tighten the stuffing box or repack, and the glass filter for the raw water intake leaks. I motored out to the middle of the lake after letting the motor warm up, and wouldn't you know it the overheat alarm goes off. The old impeller that was doing fine chose that moment to tear itself apart. Oh well I couldn't believe it still worked after sitting for 5 years. I will replace it tomorrow. I also managed to bang my knee something fierce. I will be feeling it in the morning.
I have been thinking about doing away with the pedestal. It sure is in the way right now trying to work on the boat and raise and lower the mast. If I do, I have the perfect setup for a tiller pilot. It would mount on the inside of the transom and attach to the steering quadrant. I would not even have to drill any holes to mount it. The steering is the push pull teleflex like setup. I figure a lo profile cap for the hole in the cockpit and a teak grate to cover it. You would never know and it could be easily changed back. I am not going to change anything until I sail the boat for a while and see if the wheel grows on me, but I have my doubts.
Hey guys just found something interesting. My hull # is ABVO0565D393 which if I am correct means that she is hull number 565 and was "Born" on
November 3, 1993. She turned 22 on Monday. No wonder she kicked me in the knee and got overheated. I missed her birthday. If I forgot my wife's birthday she would get overheated and try to hurt me too. Maybe if I get her impeller changed early tomorrow I will take her to the lake and let her stretch her sails.
Here is some helpful information on your projects:
http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/impeller
http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/stuffing_box
I would repack the stuffing box. I have done this and it is very easy. I was scared to do it at first but reading the above article helped a lot. Remember that this stuffing has dried out for quite some time so it needs to be replaced. You want to then retighten until you get a slight drip...1 drip every 3 seconds. I used a different packing material so I didn't have much of a drip. When you run the engine for a while touch the packing gland. If it is really hot then you need to loosen. If it is leaking a lot tighten. Not a big deal.
This is what I used for my packing material: http://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1|311|2349117|2349129&id=685445
It worked great over the 5 seasons I had it in there....no issues at all.
For the impeller....Do yourself a favor and get two. One spare. Also, get a Gore Run Dry Impeller. It will save you grief if you forget to open the through hull when you first start out. Always keep an eye and an ear on the water coming out of the exhaust to make sure your cooling system is running right. http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1|51|2234245|2234249&id=1041144
Hope that this helps. This is one area I have a bit of experience in because of maintaining a diesel for 8 years. I miss my diesel!
Chris:
Yeah, you definitely don't want to miss your boats birthday. The 23's are not known to be vindictive but they, like any fine woman, demand and deserve proper recognition. Never known one to cause physical pain to their owner. Maybe she was born on a Monday?
It always seemed to me that wheel steering on a 23 would steal valuable cockpit space. I like the simplicity of my tiller and the open cockpit. I wonder how many 23's were built with wheel steering?
Bob23
Here are some pics I promised of the mast brace.
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Here are some of the engine access. I have another panel on the starboard side that is not shown. I tightened the stuffing box some today and it's fine now, but I will repack it before spring. I also changed the impeller and fixed the water strainer leak. The old impeller looked to be in good shape, but I think it was in backwards. Oh well it's working great now.
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I cleaned everything to bright brass and used a new gasket on the impeller cover. The cover was smooth with no ridge.
My wife stopped by the lake on her way home from work and took a ride on the boat. She also took some pictures.
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I am not sure exactly what I was saying when she took this, but I know you guys will fill in the caption.
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I winterized the engine tonight because the temp is going to drop for a few days, but I haven't given up sailing her before winter really sets in.
I am trying to come up with a name for the new boat. I have 2 so far
1) Weatherly (My last name, and an americas cup winner in the 50's)
2) Amanda Dawn (my wife's first and middle name)
I have always thought Amanda Dawn would be a pretty name for a sailboat, but I dont know if it's a good idea to name the boat after the wife. What do you guys think? Any suggestions?
I think Amanda Dawn is a very pretty name. OK to name the boat after the wife. If she dumps you, then a renaming ceremony involving much rum and a few of us may be required. :)
My wife wanted me to name the boat after her. I told her that it is bad luck to name a boat after a girlfriend or wife. It is actually a work boat tradition to name the boat after a wife (from what I have been told).
The first name is a good name.
It is odd...most of my boat names have just popped into my head. Sometimes I find inspiration in music.
My Hunter 22 was Bad Obsession. It is a Guns and Roses song and it is fitting about sailing! LOL
My Catalina 30 kept her previous name of "Spirit of Liberty" The name just fit.
I named my Dingy "Justice" because I had Liberty and Justice for a while.
Current boat is named Saga. It pays homage to my Norse heritage. It is also a continuing Saga of boats.
My wife definitely said it was not ok to name after a girl friend. In fact, I was threatened with bodily harm if I even thought about it.
Bob23
How about the obvious? compromise "Weather Dawn"? Rolls off the tongue like "cellar door"
TG
Tim, I like the idea of a compromise. Not sure about weather dawn. Maybe
Irish Dawn, the boat's white with green bottom and canvas. I am mostly Irish.
Southern Dawn
In all seriousness, I do like Amanda Dawn. And a good idea to name her after your wife. But I tried that on my Force 5, naming it Linda Gale (which is my wife's name- only spelled Gail) and it didn't work at all. She always despised that boat, so much that in an attempt to appease her, I had to split the proceeds when I sold it. The woman just doesn't like my boats, that's all.
Bob23
Hey Brackish!
I seez youz posted my copyrighted pic. Cough it up or we'll have to send our joisey muscle (Bob23) to collect.
Marty K. (killer)
Pegasus CP16
P.S. Are youz quaking yet?
P.P.S. Welcome to the fold, Chris. The boat looks great. If I were 20 years younger... oh, well. Hope you enjoy many, many years of great sailing with her. My vote is for your wife's name: Amanda Dawn. You could start a poll?
Thanks for the welcome MKBLK. Starting a poll is a good idea. Maybe I will when I get serious about 3-4 names.
-Chris